This needed to be said

[Hutzpa]

Killing Sean Hoare the Sun reporter is not going to change a thing or the out come of News Corps. demise
if anything this has just sealed their fate.

They are now completely doomed, it's just a matter of counting the days to oblivion.

Enron anyone??

[brooklynite]

1. Unrec'd

Suggesting someone was killed without a shred of evidence, based on "they'll do anything" arguments.

[TBF]

2. Yes, such a coincidence ...

:eyes:

[patrice]

8. another instance of false equivalency. Like Sean Hoare was just anybody. nt

[Hutzpa]

3. Well good for you

An eye for an eye has left us all blind.

[MineralMan]

6. Suggesting the death was not "suspicious" is based on

"they'll believe anything" arguments. As the woman in a local TV ad says, "I don't trust those things," referring to a GPS voice just before the car goes over the cliff.

[RZM]

4. The problem with accusations like this is that you have nothing at all to lose by making them

If it turns out that Hoare was murdered, I imagine you won't shy away from accepting praise for your prescience.

But if it turns out he wasn't, are you going to post a thread saying that you were completely wrong and leveled a false accusation without any evidence?

[DearAbby]

7. Well really

with the law enforcement there discredited, why would you believe any findings of an investigation? :shrug: that thought could twist your noodle.

[RZM]

15. Sounds like your mind is already made up

What would it take to convince you it wasn't murder?

BTW. I'm not saying it WASN'T a murder. Though I think that is unlikely, it's not like I know what the hell happened any more than anybody else here does. The difference is I'm trying not to jump to conclusions without evidence that I can take to the bank.

[DearAbby]

17. I am not saying what it was

just how can you trust an investigation by the very same organization that lost two top officers due to scandal.

[RZM]

18. You can choose to believe or not believe the investigation as you wish

What if they determine it was murder? Will you still not trust the investigation?

There are LOTS of eyes on the Murdoch empire right now. I'm confident that the truth will come out on this.

[Hutzpa]

9. What accusation? n/t

[RZM]

12. 'Killing Sean Hoare' n/t

[Hutzpa]

13. You don't find it suspicious that the journalist that first

break the news that NoW is phone hacking celebrities and the Royal family suspicious?

Really?? Would like to know what are YOUR thoughts on this whole saga?

[RZM]

16. It is certainly strange

But people die. Sometimes their death benefits other people, too. It would be nice if we could all be protected from death in the case of our death benefiting somebody else, but that's not how it works. Hoare was a mortal human being just like you and I. Death can come at any time for any of us.

That being said, it is natural for eyebrows to be raised because of the timing here. But I'd like to see some hard evidence before saying I know what happened. At this point I think a natural death is the most likely scenario. It certainly could have been murder, but I see nothing concrete that would lead me to that conclusion right now.

BTW, you could also argue that this death harms the Murdoch crew. It casts a an even greater pall over the scandal and gives ammunition to Murdoch's opponents in the court of public opinion.

[valerief]

19. What an RepubliWorld you live in. nt

[RZM]

21. LOL. I'm waiting for more evidence so that means i live in 'RepubliWorld?'

I prefer the term 'reality' myself. But call it what you will :)

[Hutzpa]

20. Under this circumstances

it is safe to say that a perfectly healthy guy could not mysteriously die without any
foul play being suggested, especially considering all the latest developments
surrounding his previous employer.

[RZM]

22. Being a threat to the Murdochs does not mean you are immune to certain causes of death

People die. It happens. And the guy apparently had his vices, so he probably wasn't 'perfectly healthy.'

I'm not much one for conspiracies and even I think the timing is certainly strange. But it will take more than that for me to believe a murder occurred. If strong evidence of a murder emerges, then I will modify my position. I'm not ruling out murder, but without better evidence I'm pretty skeptical.

[TorchTheWitch]

27. Who says he was perfectly healthy?

You have access to his medical records? For all you know he had high blood pressure, or did drugs or had cancer or any manner of illness that could have killed him. His own family and friends don't seem to find his death suspicious since they aren't making any comments about it.

[Hutzpa]

28. Are we third grade now?

you ended by saying his own family are not commenting because they don't seem to
find his death suspicious, well, are you privy yo their inner thoughts? have they
made public comments on that regards?

Do you see how easy it is to play dumb?

When people make an assumption it is only that, an assumption based on events
unfolding or that has unfolded in the past. Hope this helps.

[sabrina 1]

23. Well, look at it this way. It's possible that he was not murdered

and for now, no one knows. But Murdoch cannot really expect the public NOT to be suspicious that this death has something to do with these events. That's what happens when you deal with people all of your life, they way he has.

Like it or not, BECAUSE of how ruthless he and his minions have been, people are going to suspect that this death is far too coincidental to have simply happened naturally. I guess it's Karma.

Maybe for once Murdoch is NOT guilty, but Karma works that way sometimes. Eventually it catches up with you and how ironic that he got away with destroying so many lives, has so much blood on his hands, for so long, and this may be the one time he is innocent.

Now he will learn, assuming he is innocent, how all those people he smeared and lied about for decades felt when they tried to defend themselves against his powerful, ruthless smear machine. How it feels to be innocent and not be able to persuade people that you are.

If, otoh, he had been a decent, honest man, things would be different.

I can't say I care much if people make assumptions in this case. Millions of lives were destroyed, hundreds of thousands killed and tortured and maimed for life in large part because of people like him who called anyone who opposed the carnage, a 'traitor'.

I will say however, considering the record of these people, and how frightened even powerful members of various governments were of him, anything IS possible. This is not just 'another death', iow.

[RZM]

24. I guess. I do see your point

But would you make the same argument against a prisoner who really had committed numerous atrocious crimes but happened to be innocent of the one he got life without parole for? I don't think 'karma's a bitch' would fly in that situation. I remember I saw a doc years ago about people on death row who were wrongfully convicted. The lawyer who had been working with them (I want to say it was Alan Dershowitz, but I don't remember for sure) admitted that most of the innocent men he worked with really had committed other crimes that were just as bad, which was a big reason they were wrongfully convicted in the first place.

[sabrina 1]

25. No, and I'm not making that argument now.

All I'm saying is that this is how it is. No one trusts Murdoch anymore, and no one trusts the British police. That is the sad result of all that they have done.

If he was on trial for the murder, hopefully he would be acquitted if he did not do it. But in the court of public opinion, all trust in their system has been destroyed. The people have been betrayed, their democracy totally undermined and there is no one they feel they can trust anymore. In a way, since as you say, people die all the time, this total destruction of their trust in their democratic institutions, is worse than the death of one man.

[TorchTheWitch]

26. I would find it suspicious if he died in a suspicious manner

But apparently it was not a suspicious death. For all we know he could have had a heart attack, or he could have been a drug user and od'd or had a serious medical condition that killed him, etc. If his own family and friends don't find it suspicious (and if they did certainly they'd comment about that) then I'm not seeing at this point that anyone else should.

[Hutzpa]

29. You are displaying blatant ignorance

that really bothers me.

[Lint Head]

5. Just a coincidence? Lets see, David Kelly was just a coincidence also.

Right?

[patrice]

10. There were some around the Anthrax Attacks too. Biochemists.

[MilesColtrane]

11. It's unlikely that News Corp. would go completely under like Enron.

It actually has assets and equity in the tens of billions, unlike Enron.

[Hutzpa]

14. We shall see

once everyone sees them as toxic, then it is over.