18 years of triangulation and appeasement, and here we are.

[MannyGoldstein]

Wow.

Enjoy your peas. And catfood.

[markpkessinger]

1. The most concise assessment of how we got here I've seen yet. K&R! n/t

[ProSense]

2. "Here

"Wall Street’s Opposition to Dodd-Frank Reforms Echoes Its Resistance to New Deal...Safeguards"


...we are"

[MannyGoldstein]

5. Do you expect them to be in favor of any regulation at all?

Really?

Do you think this is the new New Deal?

[ProSense]

10. What?

You mean they hate Wall Street reform?

I thought they loved it?

"Do you think this is the new New Deal?"

It's the next best thing.

[MannyGoldstein]

13. It's like Glass-Steagall...

without Glass-Steagall.

[ProSense]

20. It's like Glass-Steagall...

with the Volcker Rule.

[MannyGoldstein]

22. Which is to say, investment bankers can still play with savings

Toonces has learned his lesson, no?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQkL9LpvKl0&playnext=1&list=PL808B303B854F680D

[ProSense]

23. Actually,

it says the next best thing to the new deal.

Embrace it!

[Creideiki]

49. It's about the best

a spineless Senate Majority Leader and capitulating "President" can do.

[Name removed]

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[DURHAM D]

3. I gather Reagan gets a pass.

[MannyGoldstein]

6. Do you think that history judges Neville Chamberlain too harshly? nt

[markpkessinger]

7. Who has suggested defending Reagan here?

Or is that just a snarky way of insinuating that the OP is a GOP troll?

[DURHAM D]

18. My aren't we defensive. Who are you?

Manny is anything but a troll.

[markpkessinger]

31. Sorry if I misunderstood the intent of your post

I certainly agree Manny is no troll. But the comment, "I take it Reagan gets a pass" came across, to me at least, as a sarcastic insinuation that the OP was somehow letting Reagan off the hook while railing against fellow Democrats. I doubt many here would dispute that Reagan set the nation on a destructive course, but the OP was taking issue with our own party's complicity in going further and further down that destructive road. So I didn't understand (and I guess I still don't) how the remark concerning giving Reagan a pass bore any relevance to the discussion at hand. Again, sorry if I misinterpreted it.

[Divernan]

48. He never implied Manny was a troll. You're grasping at straws, DURHAM D

I find it supremely ironic, if not offensive, that you have the balls to ask "Who are you?" of one of the very few posters on DU who, unlike you or me, or most people here, actually uses his real name. If you're so interested in him, google his name and you will find he has posted over 100 letters on Salon, under his very own name.

Back in the mists of time, when DU was new, I believe a rule was put in place against "calling people out". If you consider "Who are you?" a valid question, and not "calling someone out", then turnabout being fair play, what is your full legal name? I really don't care, and I don't think you'll provide it. But I hope you get the point, and don't challenge other DUers with "Who are you?" I think your only purpose was to draw attention away from your own post re "giving Regan a pass", which in turn was meant to distract from the points made in the OP.

[madfloridian]

28. Reagan was a Republican.

It was a Democrat who told us to eat our peas.

[jeff47]

38. Math is your friend.

Reagan left office in 1989.

2011 - 18 = 1993.

1993 > 1989.

[DURHAM D]

40. Wow - you totally missed the point.

Good luck.

[jeff47]

41. I'm afraid you did.

While "eat your peas" is a reference to the campaign against Carter, the OP explicitly called out 18 years and Triangulation, Clinton's "innovation" in Democratic politics.

Yet somehow you want to make this about Reagan.

Please show me on the doll where the bad administration touched you.

[somone]

4. If you don't fight for democracy and justice, then what you get may not be worth having.

Power doesn't yield without a fight.

http://blog.buzzflash.com/node/12597

[SidDithers]

8. If only McCain and Palin had won...

that's what you meant when you posted that you would have preferred that 2008 had gone the other way, right?

I can provide the link if you've forgotten.

Sid

[MannyGoldstein]

12. Sometimes I feel that way, usually not. Question for you:

Why do we put uniformed enemy in prison, but execute enemy who pretend they're our friends (i.e., spies)?

[Divernan]

51. What happened to the Canadian flag on your posts?

I'm sure everyone would rather see that than your grossly obscene comment/avatar about this town needing an enema.

What or where does "this town" refer to? Surely not Democratic Underground.

[RKP5637]

9. Yep, one F'ed up place ... will take years to recover if ever. Some will do

extremely well, many will not. I still venture to guess at least 100 million plus have been written off as dispensable in the new US.

[fascisthunter]

11. the Path that led us here is pretty undeniable

We need to make the "New Dems" old news.

[mochajava666]

14. Love your posts - keep it up!

[tomg]

15. I sometimes wonder if the lesser of two evils is

Always the lesser of two evils in the long run.

[kenny blankenship]

25. Choosing the lesser of two evils is like having your evil and eating it, too.

Over the long haul, if you keep choosing the lesser of two evils, what you're choosing among is pretty downright fucking evil. But you never said, "Muah-hah-haha-HA! Look at me, I'm choosing to be evil!" The difference between evil and lesser evil dwindles to the point where it's splitting hairs and you need a microscope to see the daylight between them, but why bother looking? Today's for-real, self-declared evil with no apologies will be tomorrow's lesser evil.

[stevedeshazer]

16. True.

+1

[Brickbat]

17. Love your new avatar.

:thumbsup:

[MannyGoldstein]

21. Thanks! nt

[TheKentuckian]

19. Fuckin A, Bubba.

[bvar22]

24. Shut Up and Eat your Austerity Peas, Mister,

or you will get Sarah Palin for dessert!!!

Blue Link

[somone]

42. Yep

[bvar22]

44. Ouch!

[LooseWilly]

26. Mmmm... peas and catfood... with maybe some salsa pilfered from Taco Bell...

http://www.amazon.com/Natural-Balance-Venison-Formula-6-Ounce/dp/B000QSOQFQ

Yum.

[grahamhgreen]

29. Kick!

[Warren Stupidity]

30. +

[coalition_unwilling]

32. 18 years? Try 30+ years. There should have been a country-wide

general strike when Reagan tried to bust PATCO. Instead, organized labor bent over and let Reagan fuck the working class up the ass. And so here we are with the apotheosis of Reaganism.

[Lil Missy]

33. *yawn*

[lunatica]

34. Of course the Republicans are blameless right?

It's all Clinton's fault.

Where have I heard that before? Oh right! From the mouths of Republicans bent on destroying Democracy.

[mmonk]

35. Unfortunately some Democrats have been paving the road for implementation

of ideology born on the right. It can't be corrected if one does not recognize it.

[jeff47]

39. R's will do what R's will do. Doesn't mean the D's need to enable them. (nt)

[Enrique]

36. make it 17: 1993 had an important progressive victory

this is the kind of thing I think Democrats should do, and I don't think we've seen it since then. Maybe because it cost some Congressmen their seats:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnibus_Budget_Reconciliation_Act_of_1993

[meow mix]

37. "we cant do anything"

the new obama mantra :rofl: instead of we are the ones we have been waiting for. :rofl:

[MrScorpio]

43. I became politically aware in the '70s

When the game really changed.

When the GOP became fascist, bible thumping assholes who inflicted the biggest snowjob ever on the America people. They did it with lots of money from the wealthy and corporations and went directly to attacking the poor and the working class.

A funny thing happened... The very people who were being attacked started supporting their attackers. They wanted to be just like their attackers. This polarized the nation even further.

The attack on education, the New Deal and the Great Society began in earnest. That people are poor because we have programs, so we should restrict access to them. Don't you want to work like a dog to be rich? God wants you to. Who told us that? The GOP did and the PEOPLE supported them.

Yes, we do have some blame for this. Our blame is that we decided not to play the GOP's game only in reverse. If the people were convinced to slit their own throats, we obliged them. It's been going on for a lot longer than 18 years.

We are now at a point in history where key right wing deas are, not only generally accepted, but are made neccessary and untouchable in the public arena. That came about only after years and years and years of repeated propaganda and outright theft of wealth upwards. The people gladly handed the keys of the kingdom to their masters because that's what God wants. God is never wrong.

So sure, blame the last 18 years if you like and blame us for drinking the poisoned water. But I prefer to remember who actually poisoned the well and that time long ago when they poisoned it.

[deutsey]

45. Yeah, it was in the mid-'70s when the Reaction began. I don't know if we'll

ever be able to undo the damage it has done. Not in my lifetime, probably.

[Number23]

46. It's funny to me

You can type the same message 3498 times in five different forums, and somehow PROSENSE is the one who's accused of spamming DU.

Damn, folks truly do see what they want to see, don't they?

[NNN0LHI]

47. That is not my recollection at all. Not even close

As I recall I spent most of 1980's out of a job because a lot of my fellow Americans wanted to be "hip", and drive imported and non-union made versions of what I was making before I was laid off. President Obama and the Dems or appeasement didn't have a damn thing to do with any of that.

People just need to look at it this way. They may have got some nice deals on some real nice cars back then. But the actual cost of those good deals is just now becoming apparent.

Be nice if guys like me would just forget what really happened, wouldn't it be?

Don

[dionysus]

50. .

:cry: