Chicago man kills another over dripping air conditioner

[AngryAmish]

"A dripping window air conditioner led to the execution-style killing of a West Side man, police said Monday.

Charles Sims, 28, shot Jimmy Parker eight times about 2 a.m. on June 2, police said. Sims appeared in court Monday on a charge of first-degree murder. He is being held without bond.

Sims’ sister had complained to him that Parker dropped water on her from the window of an apartment building in the 5600 block of West Washington, police said.

But the water was simply condensation falling from an air conditioner in a third-floor apartment where the 29-year-old Parker was visiting a woman, Chicago Police Detective Anthony Noradin said."




These are the idiots I have to live with. At least we are not Florida, though.

[somone]

1. "Six witnesses identified Sims as the shooter. Sims denied involvement in the shooting"

[slackmaster]

20. I hope the press interviews Sims' mother

No doubt she'll insist that her son has never engaged in any wrongdoing.

[drpepper67]

50. There were no murders before the invention of the gun.

Murder itself can be blamed on the invention of the gun.

If it were not for the invention of the gun there would never have been one murder on earth, ever.

[Stuart G]

2. Nothing new in Chicago..

In January of l979, there was this huge snowfall. So parking places were at a premium. It is a fact that at least one person killed another over a parking place during the time when parking places could not be found. Yes, it really happened.

[valerief]

3. Ah, guns, guns, guns for everyone! Annoyed? Get your gun! Sad? Get your gun!

In a rage? Get your damn gun!

Guns, guns, guns! they make everyone happy.

[AngryAmish]

4. Thankfully, handguns are illegal in Chicago.

[valerief]

5. Thank heaven for gun shows all over the country! Gun heaven! Pow, pow, pow!

Guns for everyone, everywhere! Consequences be damned!

[Name removed]

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[Stuart G]

8. There is just one problem with a steak knife.

If someone comes at me with a knife, usually, not always, I can get out of the way, or run away.

A knife is a deadly weapon, but you can run from a knife, dodge away from one. There is often time to escape...
even a little time will do it.



Someone pulls out a gun and fires at you. Oh well..

(but I suppose we have had this arguement before)

[valerief]

9. Well, you must be EVERYONE who owns a gun, if I'm to follow your logic with that answer. nt

[MicaelS]

13. The best thing about owning a gun is self-defense

The second best thing about owning a gun is pissing off those who don't think you should have one. :evilgrin: :woohoo: :rofl:

[Hoopla Phil]

28. But, they are illegal in Chicago.

[MicaelS]

12. "Handguns are illegal"....Really???

Charles Sims, 28, shot Jimmy Parker eight times with a 9mm handgun. Yeah those gun control laws are working real well in Chicago.

[gratuitous]

15. Indeed, thank goodness Mr. Sims had his trusty firearm

Because you never know when the King of England is going to drip air conditioner condensation on your sister, and there's one and only one remedy here in the land of the High Church of Redemptive Violence. Sims shot the offender only eight times, so we know that he was a compassionate, law-abiding gun owner, right up to the second he became not one.

[valerief]

18. +1 gazillion

[Hoopla Phil]

29. so we know that he was a compassionate, law-abiding gun owner, right up to the second he became not

up to the second he became not one." And "WE" know this how?

[slackmaster]

33. He's probably a gang member

:argh:

[LynneSin]

7. I had an upstairs neighbor with a dripping AC - drove me bonkers

Although I thought of using violence to solve the problem I ended up just moving the bed to another window where there was no AC.

[valerief]

10. You should get a gun! If you had a gun, well, anything can happen. nt

[ProgressiveProfessor]

14. Only in your mind...

[valerief]

16. Guns are wonderful, the greatest things in the world. I'm reminded of that here every day. nt

[Hoopla Phil]

30. Only in your mind.

[Liberal_in_LA]

11. over reaction

[slackmaster]

17. Overreaction. My boss has dripping A/C components in the ceiling of his office.

He never shot anybody, and he even has a Texas concealed weapons permit.

And there's a pool of condensate about to break through the acoustic tile in the cubicle next to mine. We joke about it every time the dripping happens - It sounds like an evil dwarf taking a leak.

[RSillsbee]

45. OK I have GOT to ask

How do you know what an evil dwarf taking a leak sounds like? Please be specific :bounce:

[slackmaster]

46. I don't, but that's a picture that came simultaneously to my mind and that of my Armenian neighbor

:shrug:

[RSillsbee]

49. See, I get the same image every time I read a Jpack post

( Oh, wait did I say that out loud?)

[Shagbark Hickory]

19. Ammendment #2 strikes again. nm

[slackmaster]

21. This incident has nothing to do with lawful ownership of a firearm

You can bet on that.

[DiverDave]

22. BUT! Try and control them

eom

[slackmaster]

24. You have complete control of them. You can own one, or several, or ban them completely...

...from your home.

[Shagbark Hickory]

26. I'm sure the person who killed the other lawfully owned a gun. Or perhaps they stole it from someone

who did.
Either way, A2 is to blame.

[slackmaster]

27. It's almost impossible to lawfully own a handgun in Chicago

Or perhaps they stole it from someone

That would make him a criminal even before he murdered a man.

Please don't conflate lawful activity with crime.

[Shagbark Hickory]

36. I will go over this again more slowly this time.

Because of A2, someone bought a gun lawfully.
Somewhere along the line, the man who allegedly murdered someone, obtained the gun.
A murder took place with the gun.

So in summary... a timeline...
A2. then fast forward a couple hundred years.
A gun.
A man with a mean streak gets ahold of gun.
A murder.

[slackmaster]

38. A hard-core criminal will break any and all laws if he feels like it. Repealing 2A woudn't fix that.

Maybe we should have never broken ties with England.

[Shagbark Hickory]

41. Removing guns from the equation will result in fewer murders and gun related crimes.

As for breaking ties with England, I agree, we should never have broken ties with her majesty.
We botched this whole independence thing.

[slackmaster]

43. I'm eager to see your plan for "removing guns from the equation"

:rofl:

[Shagbark Hickory]

51. Actually, my plan doesn't include removing guns entirely.

It allows for guns of a minimum and maximum size so can't be concealed and can't be automatically loading.
Non-comforming guns would only be legal if they didn't work.

It also implements a cash 4 guns program for all guns that don't conform.

The guns would then be sold to the cartels across the border after rigging them to backfire in the face of the person pulling the trigger. American guns will be as appealing as chinese drywall.

[slackmaster]

57. Good luck with all that!

[Shagbark Hickory]

63. serious!

[RSillsbee]

61. OK

It also implements a cash 4 guns program for all guns that don't conform.

How do you propose to fund this?

And how do you plan to enforce your minimum maximum size limits?

[Shagbark Hickory]

64. I propose to fund it two ways.

1.) by reselling the guns to the mexican cartels
2.) by establishing a very large fund. More dollars spent buying back guns means less dollars spent on crime scene investigations.

[X_Digger]

74. "Establishing a very large fund" -- What, just print some more money?

No, seriously.. what are you going to tax or cut to pay for this, hrmm? (I can't wait to hear this one.)

[Shagbark Hickory]

79. Who am I going to tax?

It's like I keep telling these guys...

You gotta spend money to save money.

[X_Digger]

90. That's not an answer to my question.. try again.

It naive to just say "spend more". If you increase spending here, you either cut spending elsewhere, raise revenue, or borrow.

Which is it?

[RSillsbee]

76. I don't want to sell my guns

and I have (botom half) 40 million friends

now what?

[Shagbark Hickory]

80. Then in my proposed plan, if you did not surrender the gun or render it inoperable...

and if it didn't conform to the safety requirements then you would face very serious penalties. Long prison terms or possibly even deportation.

[RSillsbee]

83. And if half or even a quarter of American gun owners said no?

Bottom line the only way you could enforce this monstrosity is if everyone decided to go along w/ it in the first place and we won't

[krispos42]

82. Your chain of logic is impeccible

Just like the people that were against the Ground Zero Terrorist Victory Mosque.

[Hoopla Phil]

32. You know this how? Please cite to evidence. This is not a 2A issue. This is murder.

They are different.

[Shagbark Hickory]

37. My evidence is...

exhibit A: The constitution.
exhibit B: The gun that was used in the murder

I'd like to call the person who owned the gun to the witness stand where they will testify the lawfully bought the gun using their rights the authorities and gun lobby believes our forefathers intended for us all to have.

[RSillsbee]

48. I'm still waiting to hear how you're going to remove 300+ million guns from the equation NT

[Shagbark Hickory]

55. Read #51 then.

[Hoopla Phil]

31. This is not a 2A issue. This was murder. Not the same.

[Shagbark Hickory]

35. Sure it was. No A2, no gun. No gun, no murder.

[slackmaster]

39. There were never any murders before the early 14th Century because there were no guns.

Got it.

[Shagbark Hickory]

40. Certainly not as many.

[slackmaster]

42. Life was short, brutal, and often violent in the Middle Ages in Europe

Few people were educated, the Roman Catholic Church and a handful of families held most of the wealth and power.

The invention and development of firearms has been intimately linked with human history for about 700 years now, there are hundreds of millions of them in the world, and they're not terribly hard to make. You can't un-invent them. You can't make them go away. Society as it stands today would never have come about without firearms.

The development of metallurgy, manufacturing processes, and many other things that make modern life possible are all associated with the making and use of weapons. Our country was born in violent, armed rebellion. You and I both depend on armed people to enforce the law.

[Shagbark Hickory]

53. "You and I both depend on armed people to enforce the law"

Only because of guns!

[slackmaster]

58. Your plan, as described in reply #51, would require large numbers of armed people

In order to implement it, not to mention suspension of numerous civil rights.

[Shagbark Hickory]

62. Now it won't. Armed people never solved anything.

It'll take cash. And lots of it.

Money gets things done. Not guns.

[X_Digger]

72. "Armed people never solved anything." --???

http://digg.com/news/story/Woman_Kills_Repeat_Rapist_With_Shotgun_Blast

Woman Kills Repeat Rapist With Shotgun Blast

An intended rape victim shot and killed her attacker this morning in Cape Girardeau when he broke into her home to rape her a second time, police said. The 57-year-old woman shot Ronnie W. Preyer, 47, a registered sex offender, in the chest with a shotgun when he broke through her locked basement door. He had raped her days earlier.

http://www.nbc-2.com/story/12099476/caught-on-video-store-clerk-shoots-robber?redirected=true

Caught on video: Store clerk shoots robber

DEERFIELD BEACH: A masked gunman who tried to rob a convenience store Friday night had the tables turned on him when the clerk shot the aspiring crook in the jaw, deputies said.

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2010/08/harrisburg_delivery_man_shoots.html

Harrisburg delivery man shoots teen robber, police say

A delivery man shot and injured a teenager who was trying to rob him in Harrisburg last night, police said.

I could go on.. have fun with google.

[Shagbark Hickory]

81. For every one of those, I could show you 10 for innocent kids getting shot by stray bullets or from

playing with guns. And 100 more of the victim getting their gun used against them by the attacker.

[slackmaster]

87. Nice bunch of fantasy statistics. Accidental shootings of children are very rare. Link to source...

...for actual data:

http://www.cdc.gov/injury/wisqars/index.html

Roll your own query at WISQARS if you want to see real statistics.

For example, I queried the database for unintentional fatal shootings of people age <1 - 14 years for 2007.

The answer was 65 out of a population of 61,294,588, for a rate of 0.11 per 100,000.

So, it would take only seven instances of people successfully using firearms to defend themselves in the year 2007 to make your claim in reply #81 wrong.

If you want to include older teens in your definition of "innocent kids" the result would be different. If we crank the upper age limit to 17, the system spits out a total of 112 deaths out of 74,340,127 people for a rate of 0.15 per 100K.

I find real data much more interesting than fantasy data.

[X_Digger]

88. Setting policy by news frequency?

Can you say, "Summer of the Shark"?

Alll defensive gun uses don't get reported in the news- mainly because most DGUs don't result in anyone being shot. Clinton's DOJ estimated 1M DGUs-- more than the incidents of guns used in crime.

But hey, nice moving of those goal posts.

[Obamanaut]

54. Not as many people to murder? nt

[Shagbark Hickory]

56. Not as many murders.

Face it, we live in an easier time. We don't even have to leave home to buy food anymore. If you really have to work at it to murder someone, then murders will go down.

[slackmaster]

59. According to an article cited from the British Journal of Criminology, murder RATES were very high

At least in Germany and Switzerland, according to local estimates (from a time when there were no official statistics, of course.)



Source: http://andrewhammel.typepad.com/german_joys/2007/04/german_murder_r.html

What do you have to back up your claim that there were "not as many murders?"

[Shagbark Hickory]

66. That chart wouldn't be indicitave of murder rates in a modern post gun america.

Nice try though.

[slackmaster]

68. Cite some recent US murder rates, then

Or I will when I get to a real computer.

:-)

[Shagbark Hickory]

69. What good will that do? The only way we can compare is to implement serious gun control.

and wait a couple of decades.

[slackmaster]

70. Now you're making no sense

European murder rates before guns were invented were HIGHER than modern US murder rates.

Am I not making myself clear?

[Shagbark Hickory]

78. It depends on when.

In 500 B.C. the murder rates were lower.
Most years were.

There's easy access to guns now. Anyone can get one pretty cheap whenever they get a hardon to kill someone. There's no do-overs.
There's a few extra steps involved for killing someone in other ways. Generally it involves planning or a lot of skill or practice using a primitive weapon.

But like I said before, I'm ok with keeping some guns around. Just make the ones that are the most appealing to gangbangers and suburban men with small penises are no longer allowed.

And don't forget, this isn't just about murder. This is about accidental deaths, especially with children, and other gun related crimes.

[slackmaster]

84. In reply #56 you said there were "Not as many murders" referring pre-gun times

I provided an example that contradicts your claim, i.e. that murder in Europe in the Middle Ages was more common than it is now.

In 500 B.C. the murder rates were lower.

Cite? The religious texts of Judaism and Christianity mention a lot of smiting in those days, at least in the Middle East.

[X_Digger]

73. Find a country whose murder rate went down, post implementation of gun control..

UK? Depending on which measure, it stayed the same or went up. Australia? Same. Most Western European nations? Same.

Even before gun control in Europe or the US, the US had a higher murder rate. Take 1880's London and New York. No real gun control in either place. NYC's murder rate was five times that of London.

[Shagbark Hickory]

77. If you want to keep citing the 19th century statistics then I'd like to point out that the murder

rate was significantly lower in 500 B.C. before guns.

[slackmaster]

85. You've posted that at least twice now, but haven't provided anything to back it up

Let's see the source.

Did you just make that up?

[X_Digger]

89. I've never seen that research. Care to cite it? n/t

[Obamanaut]

60. Fewer total people on earth, meant fewer total murders, even though

the rate may have been more or less.

You said there were not as many. How many and what was the murder rate?

[ProgressiveProfessor]

67. Go to directly to history class and start over

[X_Digger]

71. Oh LOL..

Quoting our own Euromutt..

Moreover, there are more ways to harm people than shooting them; you can knife them, bludgeon them, beat them and rob or rape them under threat of the aforementioned. To illustrate, historians estimate that in the first half of the 14th century, homicide rates in certain areas of western Europe (the city of Oxford, parts of Germany) were well over 100/100,000, and that was before man-portable firearms even existed in western Europe.

Keep on believing.

[X_Digger]

75. The right protected by the second amendment predates the constitution..

from US v Cruikshank:

The right ... is that of "bearing arms for a lawful purpose." This is not a right granted by the Constitution. Neither is it in any manner dependent on that instrument for its existence.

You don't seem to understand how rights work. They are not granted by the government, the constitution, or the bill of rights. If they were, the 9th and 10th amendment would make no damned sense whatsoever.

[voteearlyvoteoften]

23. Not sure how Florida fits into this story...

At least we have central air in most buildings.The days of dripping window units are mostly in the past.
I dont think the gun violence in Florida is as bad as Chicago these days.

[Obamanaut]

52. Folks just like to type "Florida" or "Texas" anytime anything unsavory

happens anywhere. I made this post in another thread today: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=1522970&mesg_id=1523058

and this one, in this thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=1520990&mesg_id=1525279

edited to add this one from yesterday: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=1506034&mesg_id=1517465

[Shagbark Hickory]

65. lolz.

[thereismore]

25. May I suggest shooting the air conditioner instead? nt

[Kaleva]

34. Sims to use Casey Anthony defense. Parker drowned in A/C condensate water.

Sims, not having the required duct tape on hand to wrap the drowning victim's head with, instead improvised and shot the already deceased 8 times.

This is just an accident gone bad.

[RSillsbee]

44. I'm calling BS

every one knows guns are banned in Chicago, this story couldn't have possibly happened
























Oh if I must :sarcasm:

[Obamanaut]

47. Illinois.

Yup

[jpak]

86. More evidence that guns are the answer - must... have... more... guns...

defend castle

kill

yup