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jtown1123 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 01:53 PM
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If this Gang of Six Plan Takes Off, We're All Pretty Much Doomed. Start Calling your Senators
Edited on Tue Jul-19-11 01:55 PM by jtown1123
Please read the PDF below. Basically, this plan fast tracks cuts to Entitlement programs...

• Provide expedited floor consideration for a consolidated bill meeting these instructions:
• If any committee fails to report entitlement program savings, impose across the board
cuts to programs in that committee’s jurisdiction as necessary to achieve the required
savings. To protect programs that benefit low income families, exempt from across the
board cuts those most in need.

Here's a link to the Bowles Simpson/Gang of Six Plan: http://assets.nationaljournal.com/pdf/071911ConradBudgetExecutiveSummary.pdf

NATIONAL JOURNAL
DOCUMENT: Gang of Six Deficit Plan Executive Summary
By Tim Fernholz

Updated: July 19, 2011 | 1:05 p.m.
July 19, 2011 | 12:51 p.m.
The following outline was provided to 49 senators who attended a bipartisan briefing on the progress of the Senate’s Gang of Six, a group working toward a fiscal bargain based on last year’s Bowles-Simpson commission report. The document quickly spread to K Street and throughout Washington.

Contributors include Senate Minority Leader Dick Durbin, D-Ill., Senate Budget Committee Chairman Kent Conrad, D-N.D., Senator Mark Warner, D-Va., Senator Mike Crapo, R-Idaho, Senator Saxby Chambliss, R-Ga., and Senator Tom Coburn, R-Okla.



Here's a good roundup from Kaiser Health News:

KAISER
Gang Of Six Plan To Cut Deficit By $3.7 T Includes Doc Fix, Gets Boost From Obama
Topics: Health Costs, Medicare, Medicaid, Politics

Jul 19, 2011

President Barack Obama praised the bipartisan plan, which includes $500 billion in immediate deficit cuts as well as larger, longer-term entitlement reforms.

The Washington Post: "President Obama on Tuesday praised a new bipartisan plan emerging in the Senate, calling it 'broadly consistent' with the White House's approach to raising the debt limit and describing it as a 'very significant step.' The plan, drafted by a bipartisan group of senators known as the 'Gang of Six,' has been in the works for months. After struggling to reach consensus and apparently disbanding last week, the group now says it's nearing agreement on a proposal, which could offer an alternative strategy for pushing an increase in the debt limit through Congress before the Aug. 2 deadline" (Montgomery, 7/19).

The Hill: "According to an executive summary, the Gang of Six plan would stabilize the debt by 2014. ... It would involve two separate bills, one implementing $500 billion in immediate deficit cuts and another implementing larger reforms. ... On entitlements, the plan would fully pay for the Medicare 'doc fix' over 10 years, allowing doctors to avoid a drastic cut in Medicare payments under the law which is regularly avoided but never paid for. It also contains strong enforcement procedures. One of these would require a 67-vote supermajority in the Senate to circumvent spending caps" (Bolton and Wasson, 7/19).

Atlanta Journal Constitution: "The plan uses a two-step legislative process: (1) an initial bill that makes immediate cuts; and (2) a process for a second bill to enact comprehensive reform and put our nation on a stable fiscal path. The plan would ... Spend health care dollars more efficiently in order to strengthen Medicare and Medicaid, while maintaining the basic structure of these critical programs ... Fully pays for SGR (the 'doc fix') over 10 years." The plan also would repeal The CLASS Act (Dupree, 7/19).

Inside Health Policy: The plan "would repeal the controversial long-term care insurance program -- or the CLASS ACT -- included in the health care law as part of a $500 billion 'down payment' on an 'aggressive two-step' legislative process led by committees of jurisdiction to reduce the deficit by a total of $3.7 trillion over 10 years. According to a five-page outline, the plan would require the Finance Committee to permanently reform or replace the physician payment system" (Lotven, 7/19).

The Wall Street Journal: "President Barack Obama on Tuesday backed a $3.7 trillion deficit-reduction plan after it gained fresh momentum from a bipartisan group in the Senate. Mr. Obama, speaking at a White House press briefing, praised the deficit-reduction proposal as "a very significant step" and said there's been progress generally in the protracted deficit discussions. He asked congressional leaders to begin crafting a final plan Wednesday. ... Mr. Obama's endorsement of a bipartisan Senate deficit-reduction proposal, however, could isolate conservative House Republicans who have yet to embrace the president's call for a deficit-cutting plan that includes tax-code changes" (Paletta and Favole, 7/19).

The New York Times: The bipartisan group of senators made their push "on Tuesday to win backing for an ambitious deficit-reduction proposal that includes new revenues as well as deep spending cuts. ... The group ... presented its plan to fellow senators as the House prepared to vote on a Republican budget plan. It would make deep spending cuts over time in domestic and military programs, including Medicare and Medicaid, and raise new revenues from closing myriad tax breaks and loopholes, while lowering tax rates across the board" (Calmes and Steinhauer, 7/19).

Los Angeles Times: "The proposal is based on recommendations from the bipartisan deficit commission that Obama commissioned last year, which he had initially been cool to. It includes entitlement reforms -- a major concern of Democrats -- and 'fundamental' tax reform, something that Republicans have been wary of throughout the debt negotiations. What was significant was the support it received, conceptually, from so many Republicans in the Senate – including Sen. Lamar Alexander (R-Tenn.), the third-ranking Republican in the Senate" (Memoli, Nicholas and Mascaro, 7/19).

Politico: "The House Republican leadership staff is reviewing the Gang of Six proposal, but has several concerns, according to aides. They are unclear how the plan gets to $3.7 trillion in savings, and want to see a more detailed plan, the aides say. From what they’ve seen of the plan, they Medicare and Medicaid proposals need to go further. And they’re already branding the plan as having tax increases" (Raju, 7/19).






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jtown1123 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 01:56 PM
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1. Also, in addition to entitlement cuts, it also gets rid of tax deductions that benefit middle class
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 02:19 PM
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14. And LOWERS taxes for BILLIONAIRES.
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jtown1123 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 02:21 PM
Response to Reply #14
17. Yes. Thanks for bringing that up.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 02:26 PM
Response to Reply #14
22. It's the least we can do. And I'm speaking for Democrats.
Unfortunately. And to my utter disgust and dismay.
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 06:39 PM
Response to Reply #14
57. Fact! I crunched the numbers... Link...
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SnakeEyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 11:08 PM
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65. What about the loopholes being closed?
Without loopholes all income gets taxed at the states rates. Its the loopholes now that lower the amount of income that is taxable that keeps them from paying the rates they should be paying.

It's like this:

If I made $100 and I was supposed to pay 30% but loopholes reduced my taxable income and the percent in taxes on my total income that I paid is actually 20% then I paid $20. If the loopholes are closed and I can't reduce my taxable income anymore then any tax rate for my income level that is about 20% is now an increase in taxes for me.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-11 07:02 AM
Response to Reply #65
67. And these loopholes would be....?
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SnakeEyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 11:02 PM
Response to Reply #14
64. Details please?
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-11 06:56 AM
Response to Reply #14
66. Yes ir lowers the richest tax bracket by 10% and pays for it by gutting Social Security
Medicare and taking away your interest deduction on your mortgage (just on 1st homes not on 2nd 3rd, 4th, 5th......homes.)
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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 01:59 PM
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2. Fucking hell... n/t
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 02:01 PM
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3. Nevermind my earlier question. Off to read the plan.
Edited on Tue Jul-19-11 02:04 PM by mzmolly
Thanks for the info.
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asjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 02:02 PM
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4. I think it is time to stop playing nice.
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 02:08 PM
Response to Reply #4
6. We've been "had".
by Obama, imo.
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Shandris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 02:09 PM
Response to Reply #6
7. No, no, no.
It's quasi-dimensional chess!

:sarcasm:
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 02:13 PM
Response to Reply #7
10. Well, who are you going to believe?
Obama or your lying eyes?:dilemma:
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 03:02 PM
Response to Reply #6
38. Hope and Change..what BullShit!
:grr: :argh:
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jtown1123 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 03:06 PM
Response to Reply #38
41. Yes. This makes me sick. From a Democrat of all places. Nixon goes to China.
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 05:40 PM
Response to Reply #38
53. You got that right....I wish he could be successfully primaried. n/t
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Angry Dragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 02:06 PM
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5. Raise taxes
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PoliticAverse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 02:11 PM
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8. "Shift to the Chained-CPI" "government wide". n/t
Edited on Tue Jul-19-11 02:11 PM by PoliticAverse
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 02:11 PM
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9. Thanks, here is the video of Obama from today ...
Obama Applauds 'Gang Of Six'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daSbJVMPLC0



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jtown1123 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 02:14 PM
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11. This is bad when Obama supports it. We need to start raising holy hell.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 02:30 PM
Response to Reply #11
24. Yes, no time to wait and see what we get. n/t
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jtown1123 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 02:47 PM
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34. Obama says the plan is balanced...we're so screwed
"The hope is that everyone seizes this opportunity," Obama said. “I want to congratulate the Gang of Six for coming up with a plan I think is balanced.”

http://www.nationaljournal.com/congress/obama-hails-renewed-gang-of-six-effort-20110719
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 04:14 PM
Response to Reply #34
50. Repeal the Class Act - this helped to reduce the deficit during the HC reform debate ...
Not sure what the final numbers were.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=433&topic_id=75780&mesg_id=75905

The Class Act could not be removed, it is a major component of saving...
the government 132 billion over 10 years.

Collect revenues now for a program that people will not need until some future date.

Both bills reduce the deficit because they collect money for a new long term care....
Posted by slipslidingaway in General Discussion: Presidency
Fri Nov 20th 2009, 12:24 AM
plan that will not have any cash outlays in the beginning years.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=433&topic_id=7926&mesg_id=8540

Generating revenue to cover the plan's cost over the 10 year period...bottom of page 7 in the CBO report. While the program itself sounds good, notice how this new piece reduces the deficit by 72 billion in the 10 year window.

Nice way to reduce the cost for Now.

The headline news was that this bill would reduce the deficit by 104 billion...

BREAKING: CBO Releases Numbers On House Health Care Bill : Reduce Deficit by $104 Billion

...so where did that reduction come from, it appears a large portion (72 billion) is due to this new long term care insurance, aka CLASS.

While that is something to celebrate, the plan would have people paying in over the 10 year budget window for something they will need in the future, naturally this will be all gains until people start drawing from the fund. For reference this is shown on page 26, Table 3 of the CBO report.

It reminded me of the SS Trust Fund that was pre-financed and helped to reduce the deficits, especially during the Clinton and Bush years...



New CBO report, additional deficit reduction due to the CLASS program...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=433&topic_id=7926&mesg_id=10103

http://cbo.gov/ftpdocs/107xx/doc10741/hr3962Revised.pdf

"CBO’s corrected estimates
are that the monthly premium for the CLASS program as it is specified in H.R. 3962
would average about $146 in 2011 (as compared with $123 in the original estimate) and ...

Honorable John D. Dingell
Page 2

that the program would reduce deficits by about $102 billion over the 2010-2019 period,
rather than the original estimate of a reduction of about $72 billion over 10 years. (The
bill would require premiums to be set so as to cover the full cost of the program as
measured on an actuarial basis; the program’s cash flows would show net receipts for a
number of years, followed by net outlays in subsequent decades.)
Estimates of the
CLASS provision for each year between 2010 and 2019 can be found on page 11 of
Table 4."



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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 02:18 PM
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12. I can't wait for the spin on this pile of shit.
"Simplify the tax code by reducing the number of tax expenditures and reducing individual
tax rates, by establishing three tax brackets with rates of 8–12 percent, 14–22 percent,
and 23–29 percent."
http://assets.nationaljournal.com/pdf/071911ConradBudgetExecutiveSummary.pdf

Lower tax rates on billionaires AGAIN while reducing home owner deductions, cutting social security and medicare, etc.

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jtown1123 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 02:20 PM
Response to Reply #12
15. YES THIS. Don't be fooled. They throw in some words about protecting poor folks but it's all shit
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Shandris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 02:26 PM
Response to Reply #15
21. I'm listening for the magical words that signify a real bad...
...lambasting of our interests.

You know those words they use. Especially the formal #1 "You are officially fucked" phrase of them all. "Such-and-such is a step towards empowering <group>". At that moment in time, <group> is officially fucked.

"We want to empower seniors with more robust options in planning their retirements" Translation: "We're removing Social Security and privatizing what's left."
"We want a cost-effective measure that is more in line with the changing times and prevailing realities of those who are on the lower portion of the income scale." Translation: "Chained CPI, and not only that, once we've chained it as low as it can go, we'll Chain it to sawdust."

*Note: Quotes are merely examples created by the poster. Any similarity to actual utterances, now or in the future, is PURELY coincidental. Seriously.
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jtown1123 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 02:39 PM
Response to Reply #21
29. Precisely.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 03:57 PM
Response to Reply #12
47. "Chill out! Obama's GOT THIS!"
(for the wealthiest 1%. The rest of us are F*CKED).
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liskddksil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 02:19 PM
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13. And your Representatives!
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jtown1123 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 02:20 PM
Response to Reply #13
16. Yes! It looks like the Senate is starting to eat this up, which I why I specified them
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Faryn Balyncd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 02:23 PM
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18. Congress should NOT make fundamental changes under DURESS, in a non-transparent process ginned up by


.....a gang of anyone, and presented to Congress at the 11th hour.


Linking the debt ceiling (which is caused by GENERAL fund deficits, primarily military expenses combined with historically low income tax rates on the top 1-2%) to Social Security, is a scam designed to force Congress to continue the raiding of SS (to make up for GENERAL fund deficits, instead of balancing those deficits either with General Fund expense cutting or by increased General Fund revenues - that is, income taxes) under the DURESS of default.


We are being manipulated so that defenders of SS and MC will be falsely painted as being responsible for default and/or delayed SS checks.




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jtown1123 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 02:26 PM
Response to Reply #18
20. Yes. +1000. Why on earth would we make major changes to imp. programs in a reckless manner?
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eilen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 05:39 PM
Response to Reply #20
52. Look at 2008 bank bailouts. First test balloon. nt
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 02:31 PM
Response to Reply #18
25. ***************** + 1,000,000 ***************** n/t
Edited on Tue Jul-19-11 02:32 PM by slipslidingaway
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 05:42 PM
Response to Reply #18
54. +10000000000000000000000000
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 02:25 PM
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19. Down the Reagan Rabbithole Forever!
2008: Reaganism has failed!

2009-2011: We'll make Reaganism the Law, so it won't matter how it fails. We'll have to follow it, no matter how bad it fucks up, and we'll follow to whatever Red Hell it leads!

President Obama: Long live Reaganism!
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 02:29 PM
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23. Shut Up and Eat your Austerity Peas,
or I'm sending in Sarah Palin for your bed time story.
Don't you call my bluff, mister!

Blue Link
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 02:34 PM
Response to Reply #23
26. Not all of us can budget for green vegetables anymore. Are peas the only fruit of ap-peas-ement?
Can't we have something more affordable - like corn husks?
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 02:40 PM
Response to Reply #23
30. Or, Audacity Peas.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 04:22 PM
Response to Reply #30
51. Love it,
Shut Up and Eat your Audacity Peas!!!
or you'll get Sarah Palin for your next Baby Sitter,
and I MEAN IT, Mister!!!
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 08:38 PM
Response to Reply #51
60. And you better be damned sure those peas have been genetically modifided by Monsanto
I catch you eating any organic peas and you will be in big trouble, Mister.
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n2doc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 02:46 PM
Response to Reply #23
33. Does cat food come in "pea" flavor? n/t
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jtown1123 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 02:51 PM
Response to Reply #33
35. hahaha
Thanks for making me laugh. I need it right now.
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 03:12 PM
Response to Reply #33
46. If you open your mouth and shut your eyes, the 2winged Repuke Party will you give a big surprise
Edited on Tue Jul-19-11 03:13 PM by kenny blankenship
and I guarantee, it will have buckets of "pea" flavor.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 04:00 PM
Response to Reply #33
48. ...


Unfortunately, seniors can't afford it.
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pa28 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 02:34 PM
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27. What seems to be missing so far is the Simpson-Bowles increase in Capital gains.
There is only reference to changing "the debate about taxes in America from rate levels and carve outs to
competitiveness, fairness and growth" and lowering the top tax rate.

Once again. What is a massive tax cut for wealthy people doing in a deficit reduction proposal?




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jtown1123 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 02:40 PM
Response to Reply #27
31. Great question. This is Simpson Bowles part Deux. But this time, it could actually pass
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 03:08 PM
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42. What are cuts to Medicare and especially SS doing in a deficit reduction proposal?
Care to give a real honest answer Obama? And not one cooked up by YOUR gang of six. :argh:
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jtown1123 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 03:09 PM
Response to Reply #42
43. Yes. Other Democrats don't mince words about not cutting SS and Medicare
Obama hasn't stood strong against cuts since January.
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 05:42 PM
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55. He didn't stand against union busting in Wisconsin and other places, either.
Seriously...What part of this man is a "democrat"?

Again..We've been had.

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 06:38 PM
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 02:39 PM
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28. "Senate Budget Committee Chairman Kent Conrad" (R)
That fucker is to the right of Dick Cheney...
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jtown1123 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 02:41 PM
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32. How is called a Democrat I have no idea. But he's retiring so he doesn't care if he screws us
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suffragette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 03:00 PM
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36. Under the wheels of the Austerity bus
Even though they are avoiding the word austerity (the they being both U.S. politicians and media), this lines up directly with the G20 austerity agreements, with perhaps a one year difference from the timeline Obama indicated at the Toronto G20 meeting.

A key feature of the austerity plans has been cutting and privatizing retirement plans (whether called pensions or Social Security), cutting/privatizing social programs, privatizing public assets and making sure the financial class gets what it wants.

Note the similarity:
From the OP: The Hill: "According to an executive summary, the Gang of Six plan would stabilize the debt by 2014. ..

From 6/2010
http://www.cleveland.com/world/index.ssf/2010/06/deficit_worries_trump_fears_of.html

Obama's proposed budget would cut the deficit from roughly $1.5 trillion this year to $724 billion in 2014.

As a share of the total economy, the deficit would drop from about 10.3 percent to 4 percent by 2014.

That's enough to meet the G20 goal.



More that I posted recently on this, with links to additional info:
http://upload.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1458909#1459213
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 03:01 PM
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37. keep this kicked
We need everyone to call.
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jtown1123 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 03:03 PM
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39. Yes Please. Here's a good leg. hotline that will connect you to reps. 1-800-998-0180
We also need to call the White House, as Obama has publicly come out and supported this plan.
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Parker CA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 03:06 PM
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40. Kick and Rec!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 03:10 PM
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 03:10 PM
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45. k&r
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 04:03 PM
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49. Agree, this is pretty awful...naturally obama supports it...KNR
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 06:41 PM
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58. HUGE K & R !!!
:kick:

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Lifelong Protester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 08:27 PM
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59. Called and emailed.
Even that teabagging nut job ron johnson.
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bullwinkle428 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 08:40 PM
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61. NPR : Popularity of "Gang of Six" plan "spreading like wildfire"
:banghead:
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Telly Savalas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 09:08 PM
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62. Kick and Rec
Thanks for posting the factsheet -- I was looking for a summary of this.

It looks like a dreadful plan, and I find it a little disconcerting that Obama seems to be sympathetic to its spirit.
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slay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 10:54 PM
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63. Obama says he supports the plan by the "gang of six"
i haven't supported Obama or his actions for quite a while though - so this does not surprise me. We need a REAL progressive so badly - I don't think people understand just how badly we need one.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-11 11:26 AM
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68. They keep saying "bipartisan" as if
that makes everything alright.

It's not alright when they are all millionaires protecting their own interests.

And it is not bipartisan if there is no "partisanship" to start with.

"Let's see, you want your taxes cut, and we want our taxes cut. Okay, it's agreed, let's cut our taxes! Yay!"

This is not bipartisan.
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