Petition: Indict Sarah Palin for incitement to violence

[Barrett808]

Please sign the on-line petition to indict Sarah Palin for incitement to violence, related to designating Arizona Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords with a gun target on her website.

CLICK HERE:

http://www.petitiononline.com/IndictSP

There is ample evidence from Palin’s public speeches and commentary that the image was used with the specific intent of inciting violence against Democratic congressmen labeled with these gun targets.

The other congressmen targeted by Palin are at serious risk if the DOJ fails to pursue this vigorously. Allowing Palin and others to continue to promote this type of gratuitous violence sets a dangerous precedent. It’s actually quite reminiscent of the activities of Hitler’s brown shirts – which unfortunately were never investigated or prosecuted by the German government. ...

Petition to Indict Sarah Palin

[digitaln3rd]

1. Yeah...

Because nothing bad could ever happen when the government begins to prosecute people for speech.

/rolleyes

[proud2BlibKansan]

2. Tell that to the Rowandans

[Webster Green]

15. Indeed!

That was one of the first things I thought about yesterday. :thumbsup:

[xchrom]

4. you do know there are legal limits on speech, right? nt

[EFerrari]

5. Free speech carries responsibility, as Lynne pointed out here yesterday. n/t

[Davis_X_Machina]

12. The rule of law...

...doesn't apply to Republicans, silly.

This is the week that this place finally turns into the mirror image of RedState and Free Republic, evidently.

[Cirque du So-What]

14. 'Free speech' doesn't mean

that you're entitled to say any fucking thing that tumbles into your head. Inciting hate & violence is NOT free speech. You got a prob with the bad ol' gummint? Seems like we've got lots of people all of a sudden...

[Davis_X_Machina]

20. Inciting hate and violence...

...is what the law says it is, not what we think it is when we're angry. And it applies evenly to the left and the right.

[Cirque du So-What]

26. Your interpretation of 'imminent lawless action' may differ from mine

and likely *does* differ, as I see RW commentary that has a more 'imminent' nature than the way you interpret it.

[uppityperson]

32. Charlie Manson didn't kill Sharon Tate yet he is in prison for that crime. Odd, isn't it

:eyes:

[Davis_X_Machina]

37. Mrs. Palin was in Arizona yesterday?

I missed that.

[uppityperson]

39. Charlie Manson was at Sharon Tate's when she was murdered?

I missed that.

[treestar]

38. He was a direct part of the conspiracy

we'd have to have Palin in direct contact with the shooter to have an equivalency there.

[Davis_X_Machina]

43. We have an equivalency...

...whenever we want one. This is DU.

[uppityperson]

46. see my reply below, was typing too fast, not explaining enough

I do appreciate people who ask for clarification. THank you

[uppityperson]

45. I don't see a legal way to hold The Quitter responsible or a direct part of this

However, hateful rhetoric, posting a poster with gun sights over targeted people can and does encourage the mentally ill to act out like this. What she has said, written, posted, her words and actions have consequences and "oh he was mentally ill" doesn't absolve her of this.

No legal way to hold her responsible, but she shares some of it.

[fascisthunter]

51. over 1600 signatures so far... expect more

[xchrom]

3. done. nt

[Davis_X_Machina]

6. Brandenberg v. Ohio....

...is still good law.

You'd last sixty seconds in appellate court, even if the grand jury returned an indictment, even if the trial court convicted.

Remember that in the long history of the Republic the state has far, far more often used things like incitement statues to muzzle the Left.

[onenote]

8. +1

[TomClash]

31. A voice of reason

:thumbsup: :patriot:

[Zoeisright]

56. -1000000000

Bullshit. This is directly inciting violence. Same with Sharron Angle and that dipshit Jan Brewer.

[grahamhgreen]

7. K&R

[madmax]

9. K&R nt

[zappaman]

10. done n/t

[The Wielding Truth]

11. I signed. It has to start somewhere to protect innocents form the stalking actions of the RW .

[TomClash]

13. No I won't do that

Nothing would help the Right grow in this country more than her arrest and indictment. Arresting Palin is an open invitation to civil war. Be careful what you wish for.

[chowhound]

19. doing that might

make a martyr out of her. might actually cause people to dig in, rally around her.

[HockeyMom]

25. Assault

Ask an attorney. You do not have to PHYSICALLY assault a person. The mere THREAT is enough, especially if the other person perceives it to be true. Put up a pix of Obama and a target under his pix, and then talk about "Don't Retreat, Reload", and see where THAT will get you for all your Free Speech. Some nice FBI people will be knocking at your door. But, but, but it was ONLY retoric! No, it is a THREAT of violence.

Then there is also slander. You also cannot "assault" the good name of another person. That too will get your ass hauled into court.

There is NO carte blanche of Free Speech. As we tell kids, WORDS have consequences too.

[TomClash]

30. Yeah, thanks for the lecture

That was really useful. :eyes:

Trying to prosecute Palin is silly; it's a weak case if only because the "incitement" did not lead to imminent violence.

Ask yourself what would happen if Palin were arrested for her rhetoric. It is obvious that the rhetoric of others on the right is much worse. Are you going to arrest all of them: Beck, O'Reilly, Coulter, Palin, Limbaugh? Do you think that would incite violence among her followers? Blood in the streets? I've seen blood in the streets;it isn't pretty and once it starts it is pretty hard to stop.

Be careful what you wish for - you just might get it.

[Davis_X_Machina]

40. Prior to Brandenburg...

...we did get it -- good and hard. The defendents in Gitlow, Schenck, Masses, Yates, Dennis... all leftists.

[HockeyMom]

44. Anyone on her "target" list can sue her

They can sue her in CIVIL COURT for all she is worth. It's done all the time.

[Davis_X_Machina]

49. That's a very different situation...

...invoking the majesty and power of the State to muzzle speech is one thing, and having it hold the litgants' coats for them and keep score, while they attempt to muzzle each other is another. That's what civil process is for.

What with court costs paid by the loser, the State might even turn a small profit from the spectacle.

[TomClash]

53. What happens if she wins?

Her publisher just won a copyright infringement case in federal court in Manhattan.

I doubt this case would make it to a jury. For assault, you still need danger of imminent harm - not actual harm almost a year later. Assault is pretty hard to prove which is why there aren't that many cases brought. You're talking about suing a former VP candidate for speech. How do you think the MSM will play that? I'm not confident the outcome will be favorable.

This episode has already wounded her. We should pile it on, but wisely, with speech, or Sarah the Martyr might wind up in the White House.

[Recovered Repug]

16. Not willing to go down that road. nt/

[emilyg]

17. No ,thank you.

[Angry Dragon]

18. And then arrest mccain for forcing her on the public

[Davis_X_Machina]

21. Where, precisely....

...in Title 18 of the US Code is that offense, pray tell?

[Angry Dragon]

29. No place

Just angry

[Davis_X_Machina]

36. Angry is what got us here in the first place....

...and 24 hours on, it's losing its utility.

[Angry Dragon]

48. Anger is different than violence

Otherwise I do not understand what you are saying

[CountAllVotes]

22. we need to see the words

Accessory to murder one on that letter!

:kick:

[cali]

23. No. Just no. Sue the hell out of her or whatever.

Slam her six ways to Sunday, but I don't want speech criminalized.

[EmeraldCityGrl]

24. The rule of law must apply to the rich and to public and political

figures. Those fearful of a civil war should be more fearful of a class war
if this kind of irresponsible, illegal behavior is tolerated if you're rich
and powerful.

[Blaze Diem]

27. What was Palin's response to Julian Assange/Wikileaks?

Hypocrite.

[bushisanidiot]

28. I hope security is being given to the 19 others on Palin's Hit List!!

they are all potential victims!

[treestar]

42. Only one

One two of those twenty won their seats.

[peacetalksforall]

33. I think a case for her site fitting into an indictment needs to be checked out first, but that a

petition of censorship by citizens could make a statement. I even think a voluntary committee to put a careful watch on her, Bachmann, Issa, King, and every other hate pumping poisoned mouths. I could see alerts going out and people pledging to report it to the corporate media and c-span. If it proves out that indictments don't work, it doesn't mean that spotlights on their evil freedom of speech won't work.

A program to show how evil freedom of speech can be is also freedom of speech.

We've had two years of this crap - pushing the line like children. They are just children. They are not adults. Even the grandfathers and mothers are not adults.

[hack89]

34. No. I respect the rule of law. nt

[kestrel91316]

35. You mean Sarah MANSON, right?

[rbnyc]

41. I don't feel right about this.

I am mad at her and I think she should be held accountable, but not this way. Besides the fact that I think this would be an unwise legal precedent, it’s just more complicated than this. We need media reform, campaign finance reform, more resources for education, more tools to help us elevate the public dialogue. This kind of legal battle ultimately would not serve us, IMHO.

[RagAss]

47. The name is "Crosshairs Palin".......

[Barrett808]

50. Petition author says signers are being hit by "violent, racially offensive spam"

UPDATE: The petition author says: "People have been emailing me that signers are being bombarded with violent, racially offensive spam. I have asked the host to look into it."

She asks that you email her (stuartbramhall _at_ yahoo.co.nz) if you see racially offensive signatures that need to be deleted.

[fascisthunter]

52. good... the more we document their actions the better

prime example these people are whack jobs being fueled by right wing media.

[Enrique]

54. unrec for dumbness

no offense personally, but that petition is really dumb and half-baked, maybe not even half baked.

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