I don't mean to be disrespectful, but, "shared sacrifice" my ass...

[kpete]

Seventy-four percent of the deficit reduction would come from spending cuts and 26 percent would come from higher revenues. There would be cuts to Medicare under the plan, which also creates a Congressional committees to overhaul Social Security.

OBAMA: "We've got to have some additional revenue so that we have an approach in which there is shared sacrifice and everybody is giving up something," Obama said.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2011/07/president-obama-gingerly-embraces-ideas-behind-gang-of-six-seven-deficit-reduction-plan-.html

Anyone buying this is about deficit reduction?

Anyone?

Where are the deep Pentagon cuts?
Where are the staggeringly popular tax increases for rich guys?
Where are the ends of massively money wasting wars and occupations?

via:
http://www.eschatonblog.com/2011/07/mysteries.html#disqus_thread

[slipslidingaway]

1. knr nt

[probama2]

37. I dont understand

Maybe Im just new here and dont understand the lingo or blank posts ?

[yardwork]

43. It means "kick and recommend." Kicking the thread = posting so that it will rise to the top.

Recommending = clicking on the little "recommend" icon.

"K&R" or "KnR" etc.

[slipslidingaway]

51. Thanks :) nt

[KansDem]

137. Kay and Ray!!!

My version of K&R. :)

And welcome to DU!!! :hi:

[slipslidingaway]

158. Hi KansDem nice welcome, but I think it was intended for the other poster ...

:hi:

[KansDem]

161. oh!

:blush:

[julian09]

136. where is recomend icon?

[Jackpine Radical]

140. Down on the left of the original post, near the Alert button.

Just click on the word "Recommend."

[julian09]

143. Thanks

[slipslidingaway]

50. In addition to what yardwork mentioned "nt" means there is nothing in the body of the post. nt

[KansDem]

162. Welcome to DU!

:hi:

[Parker CA]

2. Kick and Rec x 5 billion!!

[probama2]

34. Doohuh?

what ? Im not able to discern that quote
can ya explain it to me ?

[tavalon]

62. Cute comment

Doohuh? The poster really, really, really agrees. Hyperbolic perhaps, but well meaning.

[Stuart G]

3. Sure doesn't look like a shared sacrifice to me...k and r.

[probama2]

20. its amazing

It always amazes me how these repubs think they can run the world without the dems

[MichiganVote]

4. More bullshit

[Stuart G]

9. It probably won't be inacted but, I heard Orrin Hatch was in favor of it.

and that means I am against it. This plan looks like a sell out to me. Very very sad.

[MichiganVote]

19. They are all sell outs as far as I'm concerned. Disgusted.

[probama2]

22. sell outs ?

who is The repubs definitely are but not the democrats

[AlabamaLibrul]

80. Put it this way... Republicans aren't asking for "shared" sacrifice n/t

[probama2]

25. bs and more bs

its always More Bs

[Still Waters]

5. The wealthy are sacrificing NOTHING...my future is crumbling under my feet

Has President Obama enumerated any ways in which those making over $1,000,000 are sacrificing anything?

[probama2]

39. Rich people

Rich people are reaping all the benefits
while the middle class is getting Reaped

[KansDem]

138. Here's "The Reap" for the Middle Class...

Welcome to "shared sacrifice."

Grim Reaper, to be precise...

[CaliforniaPeggy]

6. I would be disrespectful, if I were you.

This stinks to high heaven.

"Everybody is giving up something" sounds rather like "everyone is equal, but some are more equal than others." Or some such.

:wtf:

[girl gone mad]

7. $13 Trillion to save Wall Street..

but they can't come up with $1 Trillion to save SS in 25 years.

[ixion]

12. Don't worry. They didn't 'save' Wall St., just bought them some time...

more time than the rest of us get, though.

[CrispyQ]

120. Yeah. They bought them enough time to get a plan in place to loot the SS fund.

And all under the watch of a dem administration. FDR is rolling in his grave.

[Loge23]

139. ..after they looted our 401k's (eom)

[defendandprotect]

148. This BS budget debate is cover for Obama -- but also to confuse the public ....

about Social Security and the wealth of the nation and where it goes !!


Unfortunately, it works as successful anti-Social Security/Medicare propaganda --

it does wake up some -- but not sure if the majority are fooled?

[Mimosa]

8. K&R

Most excellent topic, KPete.

[probama2]

30. Agree

I agree This was some great topic !

[ixion]

10. Typical Beltway Garbage. It serves the True Masters, and the rest of us get the shaft

as usual. :grr:

[woo me with science]

11. K&R

[QC]

13. Classic cartoon about "shared sacrifice."

[chill_wind]

26. +1. Aint THAT right!

[QC]

49. Brilliant, isn't it? And it's what we're dealing with here in Florida,

where public servants just got a 3% pay cut while corporations got a big tax cut.

[RaleighNCDUer]

123. That's shared sacrifice! EVERYBODY gets a cut!. nt

[QC]

125. Let's hear it for the job producers! n/t

[Bozita]

54. Perfect!

[suffragette]

70. Spot on

[Enthusiast]

73. That is perfect.

Great toon.

[TxVietVet]

83. Shared sacrafice, my ass!

[myrna minx]

119. +1

[katnapped]

14. Sure it's shared sacrifice

We're being sacrificed and what little wealth we do have will be shared among the rich.

[bbgrunt]

71. well said. once more, we have been pwned by our own.

[handmade34]

15. oh my,

the way I see it is that many in my group have been sacrificing for years now and I expect it is time for the have-mores to join in ...then it can be considered shared...


from "Too Much"

"About 24,000 U.S. taxpayers making over $532,613 — a sum grand enough to place them in the nation's highest-income 1 percent — will pay no federal income taxes in 2011, estimates the Tax Policy Center."

...I paid a few thousand in taxes and I only made about 5% of what they did...
somethin' ain't right in the U.S.

[fascisthunter]

16. "Shared sacrifice"... what an insult to the majority who have already sacrificed enough

[defendandprotect]

149. Americans have to understand this corporate/fascist push won't end with ...

Social Security and Medicare --

they want i tall -- !!



:(

[fascisthunter]

150. exactly... we see the trend and its been going on since the 50's

yet people pretend less taxes for the rich has nothing to do with our debt, or deficit. The reason they are willing to screw us more, is because we don't have enough money(clout) to bribe these bastards.

[probama2]

17. agree

well I couldn't agree with you more

[mmonk]

18. The truth is never disrespectful. The lie is.

[CaliforniaHiker]

23. The poor are already sacrificing

as are most everyday Americans. How much more can they really be expected to give up? Apparently, they have decided to squeeze all the fat out of our ground beef before they start trimming the nice porterhouse steaks of the wealthy.

[woo me with science]

24. +1

[probama2]

29. truth

If only people thought this way

[Solly Mack]

88. True, true.

[Drahthaardogs]

21. LOL, I am a fed

I already lost 6%, likely another 6 to 12% coming down the pike. Mr. President has a nice memo telling us feds about "shared sacrifice". Welcome to the club. The rules suck but the company you get to keep is very nice.

[probama2]

27. Your a fed ?

Your a fed ? what federal agency do you work for ?

[Drahthaardogs]

28. Why do you want to know?

I am a scientist for Defense. I mostly clean up the water, air, and soil from past military activities. I do a bit of military munitions clean up as well.

[probama2]

32. just curious

I was Just curious
I work at wally world if that makes ya feel any better about telling me

[Drahthaardogs]

42. I don't mind telling you

I am proud of what I do, and no one was complaining when my colleagues in private industry were demanding 5 to 7% pay raises plus bonuses every year, and I got 2%. I traded security for the chance at a big time salary. Then our President said this when he froze all of our pay...

" Our country faces serious economic conditions affecting the general welfare. As the economic recovery continues, the time has come to put our Nation back on a sustainable fiscal course, an effort that requires tough choices and shared sacrifice. "

A couple weeks later, he extended the Bush tax cuts for the top percent.

[provis99]

47. they are always willing to shaft the federal employees first.

God forbid though, that the Congresspeople should ever give themselves a pay cut.

[JDPriestly]

67. Typical -- and did Obama take a cut? I haven't heard about this.

[SammyWinstonJack]

86. I really wish Obama would just shut his pie hole! He reminds me of bush who was always trying to

sell his crap agenda to us lesser people, which would only benefit the greedy.


Obama isn't much better with his shared sacrifice bullshit. :grr:

[JDPriestly]

66. Is the president taking a pay cut? Are the generals?

How about the rest of the administration? Congress? And the judges especially the Supreme Court judges?

Now that would be shared sacrifice.

[DeSwiss]

31. I know.

:mad: - Fuck 'em is all I can say. That shared sacrifice crap is TOTAL BULLSHIT.

What the fuck was all those trillions of dollar for the Wall Street bailout about? Isn't that sacrifice enough. What?, they want my great-grandchildren too?!?!?!? Fucking bastards. And the clowns they own in DC. Fuck 'em all.

What America needs is some balls

GOP honcho Mitch O'Connell says what America needs is for Republicans to finish beating the snot out of Obama, and strengthen the already rich by eliminating taxes for them and shifting the burden onto us. Obama says America needs to find bipartisan cooperation with the party of ruthlessness. Elton John says that America needs more compassion (Thanks, we never noticed).

What America really needs is a wall-to-wall people's insurrection, preferably based on force and fear of force, the only thing oligarchs understand. And even then the odds are not good. The oligarchs have all the legal power, police, jails and prisons, surveillance and firepower. Not to mention a docile populace.

Shy of open insurrection, a nationwide refusal to pay income taxes would certainly shake things up. But broader America is happy in the sense they know happiness as an undisturbed regimen of toil, stress and commodity consumption. Despite the way it looks in the news, most Americans remain untouched by foreclosure, bankruptcy and unemployment. So risking loss of their work-buy-sleep cycle in an insurrection looks to be sheer lunacy to them. Like cows, they are kept comfortable in the pure animal sense to be milked for profit. Animal comfort kills all thoughts of revolution. Hell, half of mankind would be thrilled with the average American's present material situation.

And besides, revolutionary history does not exist for Americans. The 20th Century's successful revolutions in Russia, Germany, Mexico, China, and Cuba are wired into our minds as history's evil failures, because all but one were Marxist. (The only successful non-Marxist revolution of the 20th Century was Fidel Castro's Cuban Revolution).

http://www.joebageant.com/joe/2010/12/america-y-ur-peeps-b-so-dum.html">~Joe Bageant, "America Y UR Peeps B So Dum?"

K&R

[Raksha]

33. K & R

[WinkyDink]

35. I'll give up my second Mercedes, and you give up your insulin! There ya go!

[Pholus]

44. Now wait a second -- I *deserve* that second Mercedes....

Anyway, nothing that wasn't predicted. It's just sad.

[hfojvt]

53. to make the analogy more accurate

we are only asking you to give up the Bose sound system in your 2nd mercedes, not the whole 2nd Mercedes, that, after all, would be class warfare.

[rampart]

89. that second mercedes creates jobs at the dealership

and with low registration fees and ad valorum tax, i deserve another.

[WinkyDink]

90. "Job creators"!

[bikebloke]

36. Accidently un-rec'd

Sorry. I meant to rec. Must have had a harder day than I thought.:shrug:

[markpkessinger]

38. This is basically what I wrote to my Senators/Representative a few days ago...

I sent a letter a few days back to Senators Gillibrand and Schumer, and to Representative Nadler, calling out this "shared sacrifice" nonsense. You can read the text of it at: http://journals.democraticunderground.com/markpkessinger/222 .

[Autumn]

40. It is. We "sacrifice" and they "share" the wealth

What a bunch of bullshit. I am just sickened by these people.

[yardwork]

41. K&R

[WillyT]

45. Don't Believe Anything Coming Out Of Washington...

Unless they've spent a couple of weeks researching/living in a homeless encampment.

:shrug:

[msongs]

46. Obama is ahring nothing and neither are his republican friends in congress & dems too nt

[SammyWinstonJack]

93. That's right and all the while Obama keeps speaking out of both side of his mouth.

Disgusting.

[Cool Logic]

48. Whenever someone starts talking about sacrifice, run. Run very fast and very far...

For someone who is not you will be consuming that which you and the other sacrificial lambs have sacrificed.

[hobbit709]

52. We sacrifice, they share the loot gained.

[CrispyQ]

121. That would make a good bumper sticker. --nt

[NorthCarolina]

55. Can you donate a cool million to the Obama reelection campaign like Wall Street can?

You GET what you pay for. You want real "fairness" in legislation? Then you better be prepared, and capable, of ponying up the required down payment...and it ain't cheap.

[robinlynne]

56. fucker. How dare he? (I know how. It's rhetorical. Right here on DU the support for

this crap is amazing.)

[wiggs]

57. Moreover...those who are hurt by the cuts are affected significantly and

negatively: less health care, not going to college, fewer mammograms, less food assistance, less heating assistance, etc. These are important social assistance programs that affect people in real ways. That's real sacrifice.

Those corporations paying a bit more in taxes or those people in the top 2% paying a bit more in taxes WON'T FEEL ANYTHING. Their lives are not affected.

So...some are sacrificing, some are not.

[CrispyQ]

122. Their inhumanity is stunning. --nt

[wiggs]

132. The Rude One weighs in on the same point:

A drug benefit cut for an old lady in a diaper and a closed tax loophole on private jets are not balance. That six bucks cut into that woman's limited income in profound ways. To use the friend's equation in reverse (times ten), $6 is like $3000. And even that's not a big deal to the wealthy because you can bet that the woman is living paycheck to paycheck. The millionaire has shitloads of money that don't even count as taxable income.

Our savage economic inequality in this country is coming to a head. We talk about "spending cuts," as if what we're not really talking about is "making the poor pay more for stuff." We talk as if the services that are cut will be picked up by the aching states and cities. And we talk about nonsense like "shared sacrifice," as if that's the rational position in any of this. When the wealthy actually sacrifice something, we can talk about sharing.

www.rudepundit.blogspot.com

[neverforget]

58. Rich politicians don't want to raise taxes on themselves

[SammyWinstonJack]

94. Including Obama. nt

[slay]

59. Exactly!

we are being sold a load of shit saying we have to cut SS and medicare and not the military or raise taxes on the rich. i think we are fucked unless we can get some REAL progressive Dems into office. :(

[Beacool]

60. Exactly WHAT is Obama sacrificing?

As far as I can see it's business as usual in the WH. At least when Carter asked the nation to sacrifice he led by example.

:eyes:

[NorthCarolina]

96. His tenure in the White House? n/t

[Beacool]

110. Maybe, too soon to tell.

:(

[harun]

115. Progressive Support. He is trading it for support from the MIC,

an image that he can "compromise" with the GOP and MASSIVE campaign contributions.

[tavalon]

61. It's not disrespectful, it's the truth

[hulka38]

63. He's interested in playing the game better

and not in changing how the game is played.

[pansypoo53219]

64. it's partisan sacrifice..

republikkklans demand it.

[JDPriestly]

65. As usual, Obama did not really try to get a better deal for the middle class.

[earcandle]

68. No kidding. Revenue is needed to pay our bills. What kind of household, business or government

can operate without generating revenues.  They think that if a
program does not bring in sales or grants then it is not worth
its own merit to fund.  That is a poor interpretation of our
rules of law and regulations that cause programs to be
mandatory, not discretionary.  They are taking advantage of a
public harrassed by money issues and now they are taking their
turn as well.  Truth is they are robbing us blind.

We need to put all of our taxes (payroll, sales, property)
into our own bank and pay our own bills.  This government
doesn't know how to do its job. 

[earcandle]

69. We need to recall every asshole with this attitude. BE WISCONSIN! Be the rain, be the rain....

[sce56]

72. Yes shared sacrifice and while we are at it lets cut social security&Medicare just a handout right?

No we don't actually pay into those accounts do we!

[CrispyQ]

126. I appreciate young people resenting paying into a system they don't have confidence in,

but here's the thing.

That 6% or so that comes out of your check every payday? They are never letting you have that back. NEVER. SS "reform" is simply a way to move it into the market, where their Wall St. cronies can speculate our retirement on bubbles that they will make a killing on, leaving us with nothing in our private accounts. I hope young people are paying attention to this matter & realize their anger should not be directed at the boomers & X'ers, but rather TPTB.

[blkmusclmachine]

74. We're being conned, robbed, and ripped off.

And they know we know it. But what can we do about it? They're the Masters of the Universe.

[bowens43]

75. I will not vote this guy.

shared my ass......

[divvy]

76. Everyone should see this chart ..... more than once

?1311111914964

[SheilaT]

144. Interesting. I'm printing it out to save.

I'm thinking I want to post it in various places, but can't really think of anywhere that I go that would be good. Maybe I could slip it into the mailbox at work of one of my supervisors, a man who is a conservative Republican, although he doesn't often say much about it. All of us co-workers shake our heads in disbelief that he follows the Republican line, if for no other reason than he simply isn't wealthy enough by a long shot to be one.

[democrank]

77. Oh, look......

There is a steaming pile of dog crap over there. Let`s be GOOD DEMOCRATS and call it a strawberry sundae!

[xchrom]

78. recommend

[pipoman]

79. Reminds me of this infamous quote:

“Given a fair chance, I know American workers can compete and win in our own hemisphere and throughout the world. Those who believe otherwise underestimate the American people.”—President CLINTON, NOVEMBER 6, 1993

The "fair chance" which was never given, in fact avoided. What has really occurred is 'I know American workers can live at the same standard as other workers in our own hemisphere and throughout the world', and I believe this was the intention from the beginning, only framed as a great deal in the same way a snake oil salesman pedals products to cure anything which may ail anyone....very familiar sales pitch..

[freedom fighter jh]

81. I don't understand why it should be shared in the first place.

It's, like, the first time I've disagreed with Sen. Bernie Sanders, who also said it should be shared.

Seems to me the wealthy pay far less than their share of taxes, the bankers caused the present problems, and Wall Street is cleaning up?

On the other hand Social Security is funded by almost everyone who works. And Medicare and Medicaid seem like the least that society can be asked to do for the elderly and the poor.

And I'm with you, Kpete, that cuts are needed in the Pentagon budget and that the massive waste of money on wars has to end.

Why should people of modest means be asked to sacrifice *anything* at this point?

[snappyturtle]

84. You're right......I don't know about you but I have little left to be sacrificed.

Welcome to DU! :hi:

[freedom fighter jh]

113. Thanks, Snappyturtle! (nt)

[florida08]

82. exactly kpete

[pecwae]

85. The pragmatist inside me

says to swallow this medicine cause it's good for me and the country. :sarcasm:

The depth of my human soul says that this potion is pure poison.

[Somawas]

87. Not much sharing in that.

[WinkyDink]

91. The BASIC and INSULTING flaw (lie): Until they HURT, there is NO "sacrifice" by the WEALTHY.

To pretend otherwise is simply to "catapult the propaganda" (tm GWB).

[ladyVet]

92. OK, let's see if I get this right.

I and my family, who live under the poverty line and get no entitlements -- even though we pay taxes -- are going to be asked to give even more so some rich corporation can have more?

Uh uh.

Tell me again why I have to vote for this guy or the Republicans will take over the White House? Oh, and while you're at it, explain how he's different from Hillary Clinton?

.
.
.
.


On second thought, never mind. It'll just start a board war.

Signed,

A Voter Who Ain't Coming Out Next Year (or ever again)

[NorthCarolina]

95. Still vote

you can write in a candidates name of your choice. At this point it looks as though I will be writing in Bernie Sanders name. At least you will be sending a message.

[ladyVet]

102. I've thought about doing that.

And if I do make myself go -- I haven't missed a vote in nearly 30 years, and it hurts to think about not voting -- it's probably the only way I'll mark the top slot. Hell, he might even win!

[NorthCarolina]

103. If you fail to go and vote your conscience

then you will have given them exactly what they want. I'll do a write-in vote long before I will ever NOT vote.

[Moostache]

108. Voting no longer has real meaning...the system is finished.

Politics have failed, "Change" has failed and our current system is now CLEARLY broken beyond repair. The damage done by Mr. Obama's total capitulation to right wing economic theory (in the face of overwhelming evidence that it does NOT work and NEVER has) is the final nail in the coffin. Selling out SS, Medicare and Medicaid is the final insult.

We have ONE PARTY now...a conservative party with warring wings and all people of a left-leaning sensibility - from liberals to progressives to socialists - have NO REPRESENTATION AT ALL. Obama and the rest of the DLC hacks and traitors have officially made it so that former Republican presidents like Nixon and Eisenhower are actually further LEFT than our current "Democrats".

War's over folks, Obama dropped the big one...will the last sap sticking around please turn of the lights...or on second thought, don't fucking bother...we would not want to take any revenue from the "job creators" in the utility company monopolies after all...

[Beacool]

114. Please don't insult Hillary.

I doubt that she would have put Social Security and Medicare on the table. She's tough and she had been battling the Republicans since 1992.

;)

[eomer]

97. How can 26% of revenue increases come from tax increases if net tax change is 1.5 trillion decrease?

Voodoo magic, I guess.

[mmonk]

98. Voo doo economics is official policy.

Reality is off the table.

[Marrah_G]

99. The wealthy never sacrifice.

Not one person in the three branches of government will ever know what it is like to REALLY sacrifice. Nor will their families. They will never have to choose between gas, food, heat- never have to figure out if they can afford to see a doctor. Never wonder if they can keep a roof over their children's head.

Yet they always want to cut benefits for the least of us and give more to the ones who already have the most.

[jtown1123]

100. Huge K&R people need to read this info

[SHRED]

101. When they say "shared sacrifice" it means...

...bend over and lube up.


---

[butterfly77]

104. Lets write Obama and ask..

[cate94]

105. K & R

[russspeakeasy]

106. I am going to take your money and give it to the rich.

Now, you are sacrificing. I give the money to the rich and they have to hire additional bookkeepers, so it's a job creator...and everybody is even...

[Starry Messenger]

107. k&r

[Pooka Fey]

109. Not buying it, and Obama shouldn't be trying to sell it.

[blindpig]

111. What is to be done?

Write yer congress-critter? Elect more Dems(that worked so well in 2008)?

Doing the same thing over and over expecting different results......

The people need to organize against Capitalism cause the two capitalist parties ain't gonna.

There is no middle ground.

[CanonRay]

112. This is a sellout of Democratic ideas and Progressives.

[grahamhgreen]

116. Why are we still at war? I called my senators office yesterday,

Thy told me we were bringing democracy to the middle east. When i reminded them that we have set up islamic republics, not democracies, in iraq and Afghanistan, they just didn't know what to say.

[humanityisfree]

117. one word...

WORD

[Zorra]

118. While we were busy trying to get Bush and the neocons out,

the plutarchs were busy figuring how to get them back in.

"Hope for Change" is a double entendre - we thought it meant ending neocon policies and the subsequent beginning of a brighter, more democratic future.

The joke was on us.

The real meaning was that we were going to end up broke, and search our sofas in the hope for change.

[avaistheone1]

124. The poor and the middle class have been doing all the sacrificing over the last 20 years.

So where is the shared sacrifice on the part of the rich?

[Hubert Flottz]

127. It's just another Zell-out.

[Lucian]

128. K&R.

I noticed this thread is without the opinion of a certain poster.

Hmmmmmm...

[CrispyQ]

129. The president lost my vote a long time ago & he just keeps digging himself in deeper.

I can't say I'm disappointed in the prez since I didn't like him from the start, but I am disappointed, no, make that outright disgusted, at the Democratic party. This is not the party that I was so excited to register with back in '75.

[Beacool]

164. I wish I could K&R your comment.

:applause:

[Beavker]

130. It's like it's not my country anymore.

"who ARE you"? Not the USA I love. Even when I get to vote for a winner to represent me in this government (I'm in Nebraska, and have NO representation), he doesn't push fo my ideals. There are people that support my ideals in this country, and even some in DC (see Progressives). We're just outmanned and out financed by pigs and morons.

Let's pull our Troops now, quit giving tax credits to wealthy Corporations that don't need them to survive, and expire out the Bush Tax cuts and see where we stand on our deficit and what people think of it then. Then raise the SS ceiling and eliminate special tax rates on Capital Gains, and maybe poeple will be able to afford things, and begin 'consuming' again, which will entice the 'job creators' to actually hire people.

We're be friggin handing out steak dinners to our welfare recipients and actually feeding our children in the country. Maybe even educating some while saving the planet.

[Irishonly]

131. I am tired of being afraid

I am disabled and haven't seen an increase in two years. If they cut payments to doctors and hospitals we will have to wait because my medicare supplemental threatens to drop medicare every couple of years. Copays keep going up and I personally know a lot of people who avoid going to the doctor and having tests done because they need to eat.

My neighbor had a stroke about three weeks ago. Her son is on Medicaid and is disabled in his own right. I don't know why he isn't on disability and medicare. He shouldn't be by himself and the neighborhood is doing all they can. We thought he was going to get a nurse to come in once a week but that is no longer covered.

It is a mess and I am afraid the reaction if SS is cut will end up stabbing us in the end. I know there are bad democrats but I believe republicans want to decrease the surplus population.

[TatonkaJames]

133. OK, Does anyone not see the 800 lb. Military Industrial Complex in the room ?

LOL - There is no more government , games been over a long time back.”


Here - grab a calculator and see just how much is flushed daily on new contacts.

http://www.defense.gov/contracts/

[defendandprotect]

147. $1,000 a gallon for gasoline in Afghan/Iraq paid to KBR ... keeps helicopter in air 1 min...!!

We need to end the MIC and the "national security state" --


None of this will end with these attacks on Social Security and Medicare --

they are after it all --

just as those corporate/fascists backing Hitler were --

[mzmolly]

134. How's that Republican tax cut for the wealthy thingy workin out for ya?

:puke:

[JohnnyHardhat]

135. Just done

I can't express how disappointed I am with this administration. Just when I think it can't possibly get worse.. It does!!! I thought we elected a democrat not a moderate republican with no negotiating skills.

[Uncle Joe]

141. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, kpete.

[Jakes Progress]

142. It's okay to be disrespectful to people who are spitting on you.

[texshelters]

145. Yep, I wrote about that last week

http://texshelters.wordpress.com/2011/07/16/the-language-of-shared-sacrifice/

Peace,
Tex Shelters

[defendandprotect]

146. If Obama doesn't get rid of Social Security and Medicare this term ... he'll get it in 2016?

This whole budget crisis is BS --

So are panels and moving decision making to back rooms which Obama has been quite

fond of doing -- !!

Congress has to be making these decisions -- in debates we can see and hear --

and by elected officials we can un-elect -- !!


Same with FED Bank making decisions about our economy -- money flow, unemployment levels,

interest charges -- these are decisions which Congress should be making!!

[Lifelong Protester]

151. Not buying it either, and I wonder the same last questions you

have in your OP.

WHERE ARE THOSE CUTS??

[libodem]

152. For some reason

I'm thinking of the $200.00 tax rebate I got in 2001. So stupid, wasteful, and ridiculous.
Fuck Bush.

[jimlup]

153. You are not being disrespectful

"Shared sacrifice" is a meaningless slogan meaning they are going to take us to the cleaners.

[nc4bo]

154. It always drops on the backs of the poor, workers and middle classes.

There is no shared fucking sacrifices unless of course it means shared amongst the lowly mules.

[TexDevilDog]

155. I have only had 3 semesters of college level calculus, differential equations and linear algebra

"Seventy-four percent of the deficit reduction would come from spending cuts and 26 percent would come from higher revenues."

47% from cuts
26% from tax increases.

Only equals 73%. What else is there in deficit reduction besides cuts and tax increases?

This must come from the accounting math that is not required by engineers.

I am not attacking poster, but commenting on blog.

[Agony]

156. Obama is certainly no Progressive. The Peoples Budget---->

Our Budget’s Bottom Line
• Deficit reduction of $5.6 trillion
• Primary spending cuts of $869 billion
• Net interest savings of $856 billion
• Total spending cuts of $1.7 trillion
• Revenue increase of $3.9 trillion
• Public investment of $1.7 trillion
• Budget surplus of $30.7 billion in 2021, debt at 64.1% of GDP.

U.S. House of Representatives Washington, DC 20515
The People’s Budget
Budget of the Congressional Progressive Caucus Fiscal Year 2012

Executive Summary
Budgets are more than collections of numbers; they are a statement of our values. The Congressional Progressive Caucus Budget is a reflection of the values and priorities of working families in this country. The “People’s Budget” charts a path that keeps America exceptional in the 21st century, while addressing the most pressing problems facing the nation today. Our Budget eliminates the deficit and stabilizes the debt, puts Americans back to work, and restores our economic competiveness.

The CPC Budget addresses these problems by listening to the American people. In poll after poll, they are telling us, their representatives in the American government, that they want to preserve Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid, to make higher education more affordable, to expand job- training programs, to cut taxes burdening the middle class, to subsidize affordable housing, and to provide financial assistance for those struggling to prevent foreclosures.

The majority of America thinks cuts to Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, K-12 education, heating assistance to low-income families, student loans, unemployment insurance, and scientific and medical research are completely unacceptable. In contrast, Americans find a progressive tax policy very acceptable. The overwhelming majority of America supports additional taxes on millionaires and billionaires, eliminating unnecessary weapons systems, eliminating tax credits for the oil and gas industries, phasing out Bush tax cuts, and eliminating subsidies for new nuclear power plants. Poll after poll give voice to what Americans are asking of us.

Our Budget, in response, listens to what the American people are telling us. It does all of the above in a fiscally responsible way that dramatically reduces our borrowing from banks and foreign governments and ensures our long-term economic competitiveness. It does all of the above recognizing that in order to compete, we need every American to be productive, and in order to be productive, we need to raise the skill level of every American and meet the basic needs of every working family. It does all of the above while remaining rooted in fairness, recognizing that America works only when everyone has an opportunity to make it in America.

pdf file of the Peoples Budget ------>http://grijalva.house.gov/uploads/The%20CPC%20FY2012%20Budget.pdf

[Initech]

157. Shared sacrifice is a made up BS term so the rich sleep easier at night.

[hay rick]

159. Sacrifice is an inverse function to income. nt

[Plucketeer]

160. SPOT ON!

Let the FAT CATS pay more - Let ALL our forces stationed overseas, COME HOME!

[TatonkaJames]

163. why does the great USA need so much defense ?

If we're the friendly, honorable, peace loving nation we say we are, why do so many other nations hate us, thus the need for so much defense spending ?
They hate us because the M.I.C. manufactures wars for profit and people pay, dearly, while the owners of this country sit back and purchase $100 Million
homes.