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Wed Jul-20-11 11:26 AM
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Hoyer says no deal, on Gang Of Six plan. |
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The second-ranking House Democrat on Tuesday threw his weight behind the party's blanket opposition to entitlement benefit cuts in a debt-ceiling deal.
Minority Whip Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) said it was the consensus of Democrats to oppose any benefit cuts under Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid as lawmakers haggle over how to hike the debt limit and rein in deficit spending.
"We have made it very clear that we have no intention of supporting a bill that cuts beneficiaries' benefits," Hoyer told reporters in the Capitol Tuesday.
The comments represent a subtle but significant change in Hoyer's approach to the negotiating table. As recently as last week, the Democratic whip was being careful not to rule out any policy options during the contentious debt talks — a position shared by President Obama.More at - http://thehill.com/homenews/house/172259-hoyer-no-benefit-cuts-in-entitlement-programs?wpisrc=nl_wonk
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Wed Jul-20-11 11:28 AM
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1. I hope Hoyer sticks to this "no cuts statement" |
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Wed Jul-20-11 11:29 AM
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2. Hoyer, Pelosi and others have all said no to any cuts. |
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I too hope that we avoid any such adjustments. I don't want to pay for the Bush tax cuts on the backs of average Americans.
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Wed Jul-20-11 11:30 AM
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3. I hope he sticks to that...maybe he, like pelosi is sick of Obama |
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Wed Jul-20-11 11:33 AM
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6. I think it's all part of a coordinated |
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Edited on Wed Jul-20-11 11:34 AM by mzmolly
plan. Obama will remain the so called "adult" by being "open" to ideas and Democrats in the house and senate will oppose cuts to entitlements. This, while Republicians dig in their heels, for the wealthy.
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Wed Jul-20-11 11:43 AM
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14. Clearly, msmolly. Anybody with good knowledge and experience KNOWS this. Steny, Nancy, |
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Bernie, Harry, Dick... are all playing their roles brilliantly. Kudos to the choreographer... the President and his staff.
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Wed Jul-20-11 11:46 AM
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19. That's really funny... |
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Funny what you wrote when you meant it to be insulting!
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Wed Jul-20-11 11:48 AM
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22. Unless of course one thinks that the 4T gang of six plan is about to pass? |
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And/or that politicians never play politics? I'd be interested in learning more. :hi:
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Wed Jul-20-11 11:57 AM
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30. There's a bunch here who like to believe Bernie et al are "attacking Obama". I chuckle. |
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Wed Jul-20-11 12:54 PM
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I love Bernie! :hi: I signed his petition too. ;)
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Wed Jul-20-11 11:46 AM
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18. I agree-- this whole thing is about passing out political cover |
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while pushing a more or less settled agenda. From Obama's deficit commission to the final rounds of drama we're seeing now, it's all just PR.
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Wed Jul-20-11 11:51 AM
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27. took him long enough! |
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Wed Jul-20-11 11:31 AM
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4. I'll give him praise for that. So are the Gang of 6 playing with themselves behind closed doors? |
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Can't we just all agree to convene another Catfood Commission for another year and put this nightmare behind us?
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Wed Jul-20-11 11:31 AM
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5. Whew! Pretty surprising from Hoyer but I'll take it at this point. |
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Wed Jul-20-11 11:33 AM
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7. How many times have we seen this? |
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Obama caves then house Democrats vow to fight only to give in a few days later.
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Wed Jul-20-11 11:33 AM
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Wed Jul-20-11 11:55 AM
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28. They don't have to cave...their votes won't matter. So he can say whatever |
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he wants and house dems can be the good guys opposing the house gop vote. You can bet there will be just enough senate dems, joining with all the senate pugs, to pass a compromise debt bill.
There will be 'good' dems who voted against it...it's their turn to be the good guys. The senate dems who go vote for it have been told it's their turn to be the bad guys.
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Wed Jul-20-11 12:55 PM
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32. The bill raises taxes too. |
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I just don't see how this bill, gets done in this climate.
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Wed Jul-20-11 01:32 PM
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34. It raises taxes onthe middle class, lowers on the wealthy. It's a massive stinker |
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Wed Jul-20-11 02:16 PM
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38. It raises taxes on the wealthy by closing loopholes. |
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I'm not supporting any particular plan, I'm just pointing out that there are a few things progressives would applaud. I greatly dislike the bill overall, frankly.
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Wed Jul-20-11 11:35 AM
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9. I can't tell the players without a scorecard anymore |
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Who is for this gang of 6 plan? Who's against it?
Who has endorsed the Reid/McConnell compromise? Who has opposed it?
Whose position has remained constant throughout the process and who has wavered?
All I know is this - if I make repeated concessions to another person in an effort to reach an agreement, and all those concessions are ignored or rebuffed, then screw 'em, I'm going back to my original position and we'll just have to play chicken.
We may be at a point where the solution is worse than the problem.
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Wed Jul-20-11 11:39 AM
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10. Didn't they do this with the bail out, too? Or was it with TARP? |
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Anyway, they made a big deal out of not giving banks money with no strings and they wound up doing exactly that.
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Wed Jul-20-11 11:40 AM
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11. I think what may come as an end result of the political posturing, is a clean debt ceiling |
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Wed Jul-20-11 11:43 AM
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13. That will shut down the federal government. What then? |
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Wed Jul-20-11 11:48 AM
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23. A clean debt ceiling vote will keep Government |
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Wed Jul-20-11 01:31 PM
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33. Not if the House majority doesn't vote for it. |
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Wed Jul-20-11 11:41 AM
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12. Sounds like he's only referring to those presently |
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receiving benefits, or am I reading too much in to the wording "no intention of supporting a bill that cuts beneficiaries' benefits." He does not say he won't agree to cut future beneficiaries' benefits. Am I being too cynical?
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Wed Jul-20-11 11:44 AM
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15. That's a good point. Thanks for reminding us about how the game really is played |
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Wed Jul-20-11 11:46 AM
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20. Current beneficiaries are not impacted by the gang of six |
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Wed Jul-20-11 01:32 PM
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36. Yes, we know. Transfers the cuts onto the rest of us. |
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Wed Jul-20-11 11:46 AM
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17. Those presently receiving benefits are already exempt from the "six" |
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plan. So, yes you're reading too much into the wording. ;)
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Wed Jul-20-11 11:57 AM
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29. Hope so. You must admit the wording is odd. Once |
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carefully parsed, it could mean that he's opposing something that hasn't been proposed! LOL. O.k. enough of that.
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Wed Jul-20-11 11:45 AM
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16. Hurrah for Hoyer. Now, if he will only stick to it. |
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Let's hope that more Congressional Dems utterly repudiate the crime-gang-of-six plan.
Hey, I WOULD like there to be somewhere in the Democratic Party for me, not to mention somewhere in American society for me and millions of others.
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Wed Jul-20-11 11:49 AM
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24. Oh, he won't. It's just his turn to play good cop for the cameras. |
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Rest assured there will be some small adjustment to the plan's severity (not direction), and he will shift to supporting it.
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Wed Jul-20-11 11:47 AM
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21. What's preventing Obama from doing the same? |
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Wed Jul-20-11 11:50 AM
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25. The desire for an "adult in the room" |
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persona? I too wish he'd do the same. However, the chained COLA formula (which also increases taxes and cuts federal employee pensions) was the brain child if a former Carter appointee.
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Wed Jul-20-11 01:33 PM
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37. Chained CPI is a massive cut for seniors. Who cares where it came from. |
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Wed Jul-20-11 02:18 PM
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40. I don't support it but I'm still trying to find accurate information on how "massive" it actually |
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is. If it is massive, it's sure to fail b/c it will impact federal employees. Surely, Republican Senate and House members don't want any kind of pay cut. ;)
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Wed Jul-20-11 11:51 AM
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26. Good. maybe he learned from Nancy? |
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Wed Jul-20-11 01:32 PM
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35. Kicked and recommended. |
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Thanks for the thread, mzmolly.
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Wed Jul-20-11 02:19 PM
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Wed Jul-20-11 02:27 PM
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42. Likewise, I always have a strong urge to link to this whenever I click on your threads. |
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so I might as well get it out of the way and be done with it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqHQqb5ot74Peace to you, :hi:
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Wed Jul-20-11 03:51 PM
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45. Excellent! For chrissakes, stick with it now! n/t |
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Wed Jul-20-11 11:27 PM
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46. Hold tight. Hold tight. |
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Open war within our Party would be a good thing. The first step in winning it back.
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Wed Jul-20-11 11:40 PM
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47. Wow, really? Must be getting some fierce feedback. |
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