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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-11 05:08 PM
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New Cloyne Report: Catholic Church Sexual Abuse Persists in Ireland ---

Catholic Church Sexual Abuse Persists in Ireland, Report Says

July 14, 2011 9:06 AM EDT

The Irish Catholic Church is neglecting to investigate new allegations of sexual abuse, flaunting safeguards against pedophilia even as charges of systemic abuse engulfed the church.

According to the Cloyne Report, compiled by an independent investigative committee, details internal divisions over how to persecute sex crimes and a continued practice of covering up reported abuses. In 1996, the church introduced a set of guidelines laying out how priests were to report abuse to civil authorities, but the Cloyne Report revealed that those guidelines have largely been ignored.

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"That's the most horrifying aspect of this docuiment," Ireland's Minister for Children Frances Fitzgerald said at a news conference. "This is not a catalogue of failure from a different era -- this is about Ireland now."

(sic)

Perhaps most damningly, the report describes how the Vatican sought directly to circumvent the requirements for reporting abuse. A 1997 letter to Irish bishops said that canon law, which allows cases to be appealed to the Vatican, superceded civil law.

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/180078/20110714/catholic-church-sexual-abuse-catholic-sex-scandal-irish-catholic-church-irish-catholic-abuse-sexual-cloyne-report.htm


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Catholic government has been paying the victims -- over $1 billion so far --

Here in America, imo, taxpayers have been paying for the Vatican's pedophile lawsuits since

W Bush began subsidizing the church by funding their "faith-based" religious organizations.

Prior to that, the Church in America was having to sell off property -- churches, schools and

other real estate. Catholics were out in the streets protesting.


Further, Clyne Report new complaints examined occurred from 1996 to 2009!!

And none of the complaints were acted upon by the church.

Bishop John Magee who headed the diocese is also accused of "making advances towards a young man"

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-11 05:17 PM
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1. Other links to the Report and stories --
Edited on Wed Jul-20-11 05:18 PM by defendandprotect
Irish Report Finds Abuse Persisting in Catholic ChurchBy DOUGLAS DALBY and RACHEL DONADIO

Published: July 13, 2011

DUBLIN — The Roman Catholic Church in Ireland was covering up the sexual abuse of children by priests as recently as 2009, long after it issued guidelines meant to protect children, and the Vatican tacitly encouraged the cover-up by ignoring the guidelines, according to a scathing report issued Wednesday by the Irish government.

Alan Shatter, the Irish justice minister, called the findings “truly scandalous,” adding that the church’s earlier promises to report all abuse cases since 1995 to civil authorities were “built on sand.” Abuse victims called the report more evidence that the church sought to protect priests rather than children.

In Germany on Wednesday, the country’s Roman Catholic bishops took new steps to bring previously unreported abuse to light. The German bishops said they would allow outside investigators to look for abuse cases in diocesan personnel records dating back at least 10 years, and in some cases all the way to 1945, though there were indications that some crucial records may have already been destroyed.

In both Germany and Ireland, the abuse scandal has touched the highest echelons of the church. The new developments showed the tensions between civil and ecclesiastical justice in a crisis that has shaken the church’s moral authority worldwide. The Irish report in particular revealed a complex tug of war between the Irish church and the Vatican over how to handle abuse, with a fine line between confusion and obstruction.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/14/world/europe/14church.html


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Irish Government Ask for Vatican Response to Abuse Report
... respond to the findings of a new report on child sexual abuse in Ireland and warned the Catholic Church that ... the recent findings, known as the Cloyne report ...
www.nytimes.com/2011/07/15/world/europe/15iht-church15...


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Cloyne report: Church failed to report all abuse cases

Abuse victim: "I feel as if I have been touched by the devil"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-14136923



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Liberal Insights Donating Member (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-11 08:34 AM
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6. CIVIC leaders finally outing the people who have been REALLY running their country.
Ireland's CIVIC leaders are finally outing the grave immorality of the Roman Catholic church which has dominated not just the people, but the GOVERNMENT of that country at every level for centuries.
At long last, they are treating the church as they would a physical plague that was affecting the people of their country. The more OTHER countries that do likewise, the better. See why at http://JesusWouldBeFurious.Org​/
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-11 05:30 PM
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2. Has the Catholic Church become a sanctuary for pedophiles?
Edited on Wed Jul-20-11 05:31 PM by ClarkUSA
Pedophiles can be very canny in choosing professions where they come in contact with children.

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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-11 05:32 PM
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3. This garbage has been going on since Henry II of England
almost 1000 years now. The whole mess started when a priest was arrested for rape. The church insisted he be tried under canon law, which meant he'd be moved around and never tried, at all. He'd just have to confess and say a few rosaries. Henry II insisted he'd committed a civil crime and should be tried under civil law.

Henry II ended up getting excommunicated and Beckett, his Archbishop of Canterbury, ended up getting whacked and Henry eventually had to back down. Nothing has been said about the priest, but one presumes that he had a long career as a rapist, backed by the power of Rome.

While Rome has lately allowed a few priests to be tried after they've defrocked, they're still promoting the officials who enabled them into the Vatican and away from prosecution.

The problem is now and always has been the Vatican, itself. It's high time for national churches to leap out of Peter's ship because it's the only way they can free themselves from the farce that canon law and discipline of clergy has always been.
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frogmarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-11 05:41 PM
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4. Reminds me of
the powerful song, "The Magdalene Laundries," performed by Joni Mitchell:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_KK6qOlb30&playnext=1&list=PL8B06FBD24ACBAAD0

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-11 06:21 PM
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5. Powerful movie -- girls locked up as labor for the church -- !!
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