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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 03:41 PM
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Were The Words Of This Sheriff 'Inappropriate'?
When I saw this headline referring to Sen. Kyl's remarks about the Az Sheriff:

Kyl: Arizona Sheriff's Remarks Inappropriate



Sen. John Kyl (R-AZ)


I thought he was talking about THIS Sheriff:




Sheriff Paul Babeu and Senator John McCain (R-AZ)


McCain's 'Danged Fence' Sheriff: The Government Is Our Enemy

"Our own government has become our enemy," he said, "and is taking us to court at a time when we need help."

......

A few weeks ago, in fact, Babeu appeared on a radio show called Political Cesspool to talk about immigration.

This caused some trouble for McCain, as Political Cesspool is a radio show for white supremacists.

Babeu and the McCain campaign both said Babeu didn't know about Cesspool's pro-white agenda. The show's hosts, however, said they spoke personally to Babeu and that he knew about, as they describe it, their pro-white, "paleoconservative radio program."


But this was not the Sheriff Sen. Kyl was speaking about. In fact Sen. Kyl greatly admires THIS Sheriff, who seems to have no problem blurring facts to push his own agenda. I'm sure everyone remembers McCain's ad featuring this Sheriff and the controversy surrounding it.

Sen. Kyl, from my research, did not condemn Sheriff Babeu's claim that the 'Government is our enemy'.

The Sheriff whose words he called 'inappropriate' was Sheriff Dupnik:



Sheriff Dupnik Credit:AP Photo/Chris Morrison

Sheriff Dupnik's criticism of political 'vitriol' resonates with public

Dupnik's name was a top search term on Twitter Saturday night, with many of the tweets thanking him for his candor, and overnight, a Facebook page titled "Clarence Dupnik is my Hero" sprung up.

In a news conference Saturday evening, Dupnik condemned the "atmosphere of hatred and bigotry" that he said has gripped the nation and suggested that the 22-year-old suspect being held in the shooting was mentally ill and therefore more susceptible to overheated messages in the media.

"There's reason to believe that this individual may have a mental issue. And I think people who are unbalanced are especially susceptible to vitriol," he said during his televised remarks. "People tend to pooh-pooh this business about all the vitriol we hear inflaming the American public by people who make a living off of doing that. That may be free speech, but it's not without consequences."


So while the public agrees with Sheriff Dupnik, the MSM and the Republican Party dismiss concerns that the violent rhetoric mostly coming from the right has anything to do with the number of violent incidents aimed at Democrats and Liberals in recent times.

For a second though, I thought Sen. Kyl, in the immediate aftermath of this tragedy, had finally taken some responsibility for the behavior of some of his party's followers and some of their more prominent public figures.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paeuC-i8E1o

Republican Candidate for office in above video: "We have a chance to fight this battle at the ballot box, before we have to resort to the bullet box"

But, this is just 'political war rhetoric, very common' according to such rightwing pundits as Chuck Todd and Howard Kurtz.

And I'm sure Sen. Kyl would agree.

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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 03:42 PM
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1. No
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 03:43 PM
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2. No? Do you mean Sheriff Dupnik's comments, or
Sheriff Babeu's?
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la la Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 03:47 PM
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7. Sheriff Babeau (sp)....
was on faux news constantly- railing against the government/immigration/ for SBwhatever it was.....i don't remember the conserv/rightwing pundits complaining about that---nor do i remember jon kyl complaining about it, either...
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 03:50 PM
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13. Kyl lovesSheriff Babeu ~ never heard him say anything he said was
'inappropriate' ~
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 05:22 PM
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19. Thank you ~ no the didn't rail against his inappropriate remarks.
He is a hero of the right ~ and of Kyl's apparently.
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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 06:21 PM
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23. Dupnik's comments were appropriate and long overdue by law enforcement.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 06:29 PM
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27. Yes, and maybe if instead of blaming 'both sides', at least Democrats
Edited on Sun Jan-09-11 06:30 PM by sabrina 1
would back him up, something might change. Instead, as always, everyone is bending over backwards not to blame the rightwing bigots. It's just despicable they way they will not take a stand, as this man has.
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la la Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 03:44 PM
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3. Sheriff Dupnik's remarks were NOT inappropriate....
he is saying what so many others think---and know---and it needed to be said.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 03:47 PM
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10. Yes, I agree and the public overwhelmingly agrees with him it seems.
But what about Sheriff Babeu? Kyl had nothing to say about that Sheriff's remarks, that the Government is our enemy? I had just read that story on TPM recently and thought that he was referring to Babeu.
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EmeraldCityGrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 03:45 PM
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4. Hell No !
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cheri010353 Donating Member (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 03:45 PM
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5. No.
Edited on Sun Jan-09-11 03:46 PM by cheri010353
Sheriff Dupnik is saying what all public officials should be saying and should have been saying for a long time..
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 03:45 PM
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6. If by "inappropriate" you mean "brutally honest", then yes. nt
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 03:47 PM
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8. what's Kyl's opinion of Palin's "don't retreat, reload"? did he call
that "inappropriate"?

:shrug:
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 03:47 PM
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9. No freakin' way...................
If anything, they need repeating.
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 03:48 PM
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11. I think he meant 'inconvenient' n/t
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 03:49 PM
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Don't you understand? Only right-wing sheriffs are allowed to express opinions! n/t
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 03:56 PM
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16. Yes, I do, but the MSM doesn't! According to them, 'both sides do it'.
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 03:49 PM
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12. Tell me Senator Kyl, which words are appropriate
when you are washing the blood from a 9 year old girl off your hands? When you are standing among 6 body bags and watching an ambulance pull away with a dozen other victims including a sitting Congresswoman, what words are "appropriate?
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 03:50 PM
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14. How can Kyl say that? He has no idea to what Dupnik knows.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 03:52 PM
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15. Because Dupnik is a Democrat and he's telling the truth about
Kyl's Rightwing friends?
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 04:05 PM
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17. It may well cost him the next election, assuming he was planning on running
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Jim__ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 04:07 PM
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18. Kyl is inappropriate. - n/t
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 05:23 PM
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20. No
not at all
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bullwinkle428 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 05:24 PM
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21. Piece of shit Kyl was just disseminating the talking points to the RW
pukers for tomorrow's shows.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 05:27 PM
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22. They are all waiting for Rush Limbaugh to give his take on
it. And we all know that he's going claim the shooter was a liberal, he read 'Hippy Hitler's Mein Kampf' and 'The Communist Manifesto' so what more proof do they need?

Rather than take a weekend to thing about what just happened, the enormous tragedy that just occurred, they have been busy defending Sarah Palin.

And the MSM aiding an abetting them.
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 06:23 PM
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24. No, he's trying to protect the citizens of his county.
He has boots on the ground knowledge of what's going on in that area on a day to day basis.
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Cid_B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 06:28 PM
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25. Dupnick was innapropriate...
He added fuel to the fire instead of acting like a professional. He comes across as biased IMO and as a lazy investigator.
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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 06:34 PM
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29. I disagree, he was trying to put the fire out, not adding fuel
Democrats have let the bullies intimidate us for so long we now believe it is "adding fuel to the fire" to say "please do not kill us".

I hope he helped start a nationwide conversation about the shit the GOP has been pulling since Nixon.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 07:42 PM
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30. He was not inappropriate. It's this kind of fear of telling the truth
that has allowed the violent rightwing to get away with what they do for so long.

He added no fuel to the fire. It is those who refuse to tell the truth, people like Palin, Limbaugh, Hannity et al who light these fires and then refuse to take responsibility for their actions, who incite this kind of violence.

Then people, like you eg, are afraid to let them know that their behavior is reprehensible so they keep on doing it. These are the people he is talking about. How can he throw any more fuel on their fires? They've been doing this for decades and everyone had been afraid of them. I wish more people would speak out like this Sheriff. But they won't, the scaredy cat Dems will try to be all nice and polite, AGAIN, thinking these criminals will one day appreciate how nice they are!
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 06:28 PM
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26. If truth is inappropriate, which it is to CONS, then yes inappropriate.
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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 06:32 PM
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28. you can be a friend on FB
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 01:14 AM
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31. Thanks for that. I'd like to be his friend ~ he's a good man
and we need more of him.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 01:31 AM
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32. k&r
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 08:45 PM
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33. Bill O'Lielly was describing "the left" as "the greatest criminal out of all of this" just now
Faux news, Limbaugh et al are the victims, apparently.

"Clarence Dupnik is my Hero" would make an excellent bumper sticker.

Sorry I caught this too late to rec, here's a :kick:, though.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 06:26 AM
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34. Lol, they are always the victims. Typical bully behavior.
They rant and rave and act all macho and tough, but when they're caught they whine like the cowards they are and play the victim.

Did he say anything about the real victims? I can't watch Faux without wanting to throw things at the TV so I avoid it.
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