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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-11 03:35 PM
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A response to Greenwald's claim that President Obama is weakening the "left's political agenda"
I've added links to Greenwald's statement to counter his claim:

Therein lies one of the most enduring attributes of Obama's legacy: in many crucial areas, he has done more to subvert and weaken the left's political agenda than a GOP president could have dreamed of achieving. So potent, so overarching, are tribal loyalties in American politics that partisans will support, or at least tolerate, any and all policies their party's leader endorses – even if those policies are ones they long claimed to loathe.

Note: the above links were added to prove a point.

The notion that President Obama is weakening the "left's political agenda" is bullshit.

As for Greenwald's other examples.

"He has gone further than his predecessor by waging an unprecedented war on whistleblowers, seizing the power to assassinate U.S. citizens without due process far from any battlefield, massively escalating drone attacks in multiple nations, and asserting the authority to unilaterally prosecute a war (in Libya) even in defiance of a Congressional vote against authorising the war."

What Greenwald and others who make the "war on whistleblowers" claim always fail to mention is that Obama is cleaning up Bush's mess here. NYT:

<...>

Describing for the first time the scale of the Bush administration’s hunt for the sources of The Times article, former officials say 5 prosecutors and 25 F.B.I. agents were assigned to the case. The homes of three other security agency employees and a Congressional aide were searched before investigators raided Mr. Drake’s suburban house in November 2007. By then, a series of articles by Siobhan Gorman in The Baltimore Sun had quoted N.S.A. insiders about the agency’s billion-dollar struggles to remake its lagging technology, and panicky intelligence bosses spoke of a “culture of leaking.”

Though the inquiries began under President Bush, it has fallen to Mr. Obama and his attorney general, Eric H. Holder Jr., to decide whether to prosecute. They have shown no hesitation, even though Mr. Drake is not accused of disclosing the N.S.A.’s most contentious program, that of eavesdropping without warrants.

<...>

Under President Bush, no one was convicted for disclosing secrets directly to the press. But Lawrence A. Franklin, a Defense Department official, served 10 months of home detention for sharing classified information with officials of a pro-Israel lobbying group, and I. Lewis Libby Jr., a top aide to Mr. Cheney, was convicted of perjury for lying about his statements to journalists about an undercover C.I.A. officer, Valerie Plame Wilson.

The F.B.I. has opened about a dozen investigations a year in recent years of unauthorized disclosures of classified information, according to a bureau accounting to Congress in 2007.

<...>

Bush launched the investigations and now Obama is cleaning up the mess. Drake home was raided and he was terminated during the Bush administration.

So what's the spin: Absolve Bush for launching the investigations, add a qualifier for Bush's convictions and repeat often "Obama's prosecutions!!"

It's bullshit!

Had Bush not launched these investigation, Obama wouldn't have to go through the process of cleaning up these loose ends.

As for Libya, Greenwald stretches the truth ("in defiance of a Congressional vote against authorising the war"). Not only did the Senate vote in support of a no-fly zone (Bernie Sanders was a co-sponsor, the votes Congress took were inconclusive, both votes failed.
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-11 03:38 PM
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1. Obama's AG has shown no hesitation to prosecute. It looks like he's finishing Bush's job to me.
Edited on Thu Jul-21-11 04:18 PM by Luminous Animal
"it has fallen to Mr. Obama and his attorney general, Eric H. Holder Jr., to decide whether to prosecute. They have shown no hesitation"
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-11 03:43 PM
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2. Whatever Obama did or did not do is fine by me.
Edited on Thu Jul-21-11 03:54 PM by Dr Fate
If all of the above is true, I support it.

If some of the above turns out to be false, I'm sure there is a good reason to still support him on this issue.

Either way, it does no matter- Obama is doing the right thing.
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-11 04:02 PM
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3. Funny satire there.
It is satire, right?
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-11 04:06 PM
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6. Does it look like a view a centrist on DU would really have?
LOL! Sorry, that answer does not help much, does it?

;)
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-11 10:17 PM
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11. Dumb post...
Edited on Thu Jul-21-11 10:17 PM by SidDithers
The pretend moderate act is not funny or clever. It's actually kinda pathetic.

Sid
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-11 10:35 PM
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14. You rarely post more than "Fuck" someone, and you're complaining about cleverness?
Perhaps when you post more then "rec" or "unrec" you might come back and retry this line of argumentation. As is, it actually makes you look kinda pathetic.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 11:07 AM
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15. I'm a far centrist, not a moderate.
Edited on Fri Jul-22-11 11:18 AM by Dr Fate
Moderate voters oppose tax cuts for billionares and spending trilions of dollars on our glorious freedom wars.

I do not agree with those crazy rainbow people, and thankfully, neither does Obama.

I sir, am I CENTRIST. A FAR CENTRIST.

If I'm a pretend centrist, then what of the pretend leftists? ;)

You know- the old- "I'm Liberal but I realize we must give up all things Liberal so we can move forward..."

We need to be PROUD centrists who openly support tax cuts for the rich and more freedom wars. Just like the centrist DEMS we elected.

We need to stop pretending to agree with all these liberals! The pretend "concerned, but pragmatic Liberal" act that I see some of my fellow centrists trying to pull off is not funny or clever. It's acutally kinda pathetic. We need to be PROUD of our conserva...I mean far-centrist positions!
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-11 04:03 PM
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4. I clicked a few links
I don't see anything there to counter-balance this -http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=1259&bih=677&q=obama+gang+of+six&oq=obama+gan+six&aq=0c&aqi=g-c1&aql=1&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=1313l10757l0l12535l15l15l2l0l0l1l354l3691l0.1.6.6l13

A google search that shows

Obama calls Gang of Six proposal - balanced approach
Obama praises Gang of Six debt ceiling plan
Obama endorses Gang of Six plan
praise from Obama for Gang of Six


Apparently there were no headlines from the secretly progressive Obama where he says "The Gang of Six plan is a rightwing piece of shit that I will oppose with every fibre of my being."

The Gang of Six is clearly fighting for the rich and against the American people. Obama is helping them instead of fighting for the American people.

If that's not subverting and weakening the left's political agenda, then all I've got to say, is God didn't make little green apples and it don't rain in Indianapolis in the summer time.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-11 04:14 PM
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7. when myself is feeling low, I reply to myself
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4tZcvrteEY

Just because that first post isn't showing up in the my posts
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-11 04:18 PM
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9. We are supposed to click on those?
All I do is look to see that they exist, then a wave of calm washes over me- as I realize that whatever they say, it is letting people know that what Obama does- or does not do- will be a good thing.

Chiil out- Obama's got this!
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-11 04:04 PM
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5. Did you send this to Greenwald? n/t
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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-11 04:18 PM
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8. K&R

:kick:

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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-11 10:14 PM
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10. I'm Left ..
Obama IS weakening MY "political agenda". Along with all the other pro-peace people on the planet.

So, yeah. Therefore, it is not "bullshit". Got another point for that one?
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-11 10:18 PM
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12. K&R...nt
Sid
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-11 10:21 PM
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13. The only one absolving Bush is Obama. Take it up with him. n /t
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 12:26 PM
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16. Kick for TRUTH. n/t
n/t
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 12:37 PM
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17. Staying in Iraq, escalating Yemen and Afghanistan and Somalia, starting Libya, keeping Gitmo...
Backing Bahrain, increasing the bankster bailouts, free trade agreement with Colombia, continuing the pot war that has destabilized Mexico, returning to drill-baby-drill after BP...

Lotta loose ends to keep going, I see.
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