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Lucian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-11 08:55 PM
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What does the law say about restroom breaks in the workplace?
Edited on Thu Jul-21-11 08:56 PM by Lucian
I have a coworker who got in trouble at work last week because he "went to the bathroom too much." He went twice an hour because he has a weak bladder or something like that. This happened at a Walmart in MN, btw. If I remember correctly, Walmart got in big trouble about a decade ago because they were regulating employee breaks.

So, according to law, should he have gotten in trouble for that? Or does he have a legitimate complaint? I did a google search and couldn't find anything. If he's not going to complain about it, I'm going to do it on his behalf.
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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-11 09:00 PM
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1. I don't know of any laws protecting people who....
have to potty more than others. I know a guy who was threatened with firing at a Nissan assembly plant because he went to the bathroom more than twice a day. He was an older gentleman. They told him he needed a note from a doctor. It takes an asshole to hassle someone for taking a piss or dump. Some places its corporate policy to do so, apparently.
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Lucian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-11 09:01 PM
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2. I thought I read somewhere that...
regulating bathroom breaks is a form of torture and the federal government frowns upon it (irony). Wasn't this a big deal about 15 years ago with a bunch of Nabisco line workers?
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-11 09:02 PM
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3. Your best hope is to find something in MN state law.
I don't think any federal statute covers this.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-11 09:02 PM
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4. Nothing. The law says nothing.
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Lucian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-11 09:03 PM
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6. Really?
I would've thought regulating people's bathroom breaks would be against the law or against worker's rights.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-11 09:15 PM
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12. Yes, really.
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Maine_Nurse Donating Member (688 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-11 09:02 PM
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5. Well...
I'd guess that if he went to work wearing a condom-cath (just like it sounds, it's a condom-like device connected to tubing draining into a bag), with the bag hanging externally on his belt in plain view of the customers, they might just decide to let the poor guy take a leak in private.
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FLAprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-11 09:04 PM
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7. If he can get a doctor's note saying that he has a medical condition Walmart, by law, has to
provide reasonable accommodations per (I believe) the Americans with Disabilities Act.
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Lucian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-11 09:07 PM
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9. And OSHA.
Edited on Thu Jul-21-11 09:07 PM by Lucian
See post #8
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-11 09:18 PM
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14. Post below for law.
Edited on Thu Jul-21-11 09:18 PM by WinkyDink
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FLAprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-11 09:21 PM
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18. No federal law GUARANTEES bathroom breaks....but a disability accommodation would
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Lucian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-11 09:25 PM
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19. No, but OSHA regulations do:
From the link in post #8:

According to Occupational Health and Safety Administration regulations, employers may not “impose unreasonable restrictions” on bathroom use. OSHA realizes that the frequency of bathroom visits can vary significantly among workers due to medical conditions. Depending upon the temperature, medical conditions and the effects of medication, fluid intake or other factors, employees may have different requirements for facility access. That is why there are sanitation regulations, general requirements for workplace restrooms under Section 1910.141. The language and structure of the general industry standard reflect the agency’s intent that employees be able to use facilities promptly.
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 01:24 AM
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23. if Walmart gets a letter like that they'll just fire him.
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FLAprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 02:40 AM
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24. Then he would have an excellent legal case because that would be a firing due to a disability
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Lucian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-11 09:04 PM
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8. Aha. Found something:
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-11 09:08 PM
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10. Here's a link with detailed info
Edited on Thu Jul-21-11 09:11 PM by Tx4obama
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ShadowLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-11 09:14 PM
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11. Not sure about the law, but he should probably see a doctor about his problem
While some here have pointed out that he could get a note from a doctor about this, I think he ought to see a doctor about this problem.

In my opinion something's probably wrong with him if he has to go to the bathroom twice an hour just about every hour. While it could be something that a simple prescription drug could help cure, it could also be a symptom of something more serious. He could for example have prostate cancer and a very enlarged prostate that's making him have to go so much.
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Lucian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-11 09:15 PM
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13. Another important question:
Edited on Thu Jul-21-11 09:16 PM by Lucian
Occasionally Walmart will ask us to work overtime. If we go over 40 hours in our work week, they make us cut our overtime. For example, if I'm scheduled to work 40 hours next week, and they ask me to work two hours of overtime, they make me cut those two hours during my lunch break. That means on one day I'll have to take a three hour long lunch break or break that down and take two two hour long lunch breaks in two days. Is that legal? Walmart policy states that we cannot do work without getting paid for it, but if we have to cut our time, we aren't getting paid for our work then. They're going against their own policy.
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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-11 09:18 PM
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15. My Law says Piss on the fucker's shoes !
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Lucian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-11 09:20 PM
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17. ...
:thumbsup:
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-11 09:19 PM
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16. FACTS:
Edited on Thu Jul-21-11 09:30 PM by WinkyDink
http://www.glassdoor.com/blog/10-workplace-rights/
"No federal law even requires bathroom breaks,...."
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"Although there are no Federal and few state laws that require employers to give bathroom breaks, the Federal Occupational Safety & Health Administration (OSHA) has interpreted a section in its Sanitation Standard, to mean that it "...requires employers to make toilet facilities available so that employees can use them when they need to do so. The employer may not impose unreasonable restrictions on employee use of the facilities."
http://employeeissues.com/breaks_meals.htm
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http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110311065455AAXUQU6
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So it seems that OSHA addresses the issue as a health-related one (the "H" in "OSHA"), while leaving the actual decisions about employee access to the employer.

Note: These OSHA interpretations pertain only to non-government employees.

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happyslug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-11 09:34 PM
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20. There are rules in Manufacturing, but rare to see such rules in Retail
As a general rule, most employers expect someone to work 2 hours, take a 15 minute break (which include a rest room break), work two hours, take a 30 minutes lunch break (which includes an opportunity to use the rest room), work two hours take another 15 minute break (which can include a rest room visit), work two hours and then go home.

There is NO Federal or State rule as to breaks except in manufacturing and mining. Those rules do NOT apply to retail workers. Thus the above rule is considered what employers expect of employees.

If he has a bladder problem that requires more frequent breaks, he had two options (and can do BOTH at the same time). First is to file a Americans with Disability Act claim saying his employer is NOT "accommodation" his disability by permitting him more rest room breaks. he has to have some MEDICAL evidence of his bladder problem (Testing by his doctor to determine if he has a weak bladder or other medical condition that would require more rest room breaks. Be careful, the employer may use the ploy that the employee can NOT do the job with his disability. Walmart is KNOWN for that ploy, for example requiring ALL employees to gather carts, thus if you have a disability that prevents you from gathering carts, BUT capable of doing all the other parts of your job, Walmart calls gathering Carts an "Essential" part of the job that they MUST have EVERY Employee do, and thus if you have a disability that prevents your from doing that job, Walmart will not hire you and terminate you for being unable to do they job. The ADA act permits employers to discriminate against disabled people if it can be shown that the disabled person just can NOT do the job. This exception in the ADA Act was geared for someone with epilepsy from driving a truck, when the epilepsy would cause him to wreak the truck of he or she drove one and had a epileptic fit. Walmart has used this except to make sure it hires the least number of people who come under the ADA.

The second thing he can do is apply for Social Security Disability (if he is unemployed, the test for Social Security Disability is that a person claiming to be disable is earning less then $1000 a month, please note that is GROSS salary NOT take home). If someone is off task more then 6 minutes an hour over and above normal breaks (the 15 minute morning break, the 30 minute lunch break, and the 15 minute afternoon break mentioned above) do to MEDICAL PROBLEMS THAT CAN NOT BE CONTROLLED, such a person may be eligible for Social Security Disability. The burden is on the person making the claim, there MUST be medical evidence of the restriction, it must continue to exist with all reasonable medial treatment, and last more then one year in duration.

It is difficult to convince Social Security that something clauses you to be off task more then 6 minutes an hour, and for that reason such a person is almost always turned down on the initial application, then must file the appeal and appear before an Administrative Law Judge (ALJ). At the ALJ hearing, a Vocational Expert (VE) will be hired to testify what is expected of an employee by an employer (And all of the VEs I have come across use the rule that if someone is off task more then six minutes an hour in addition to the normal breaks mentioned above, such a person is unemployable. VEs will also testify that if someone is missing more then two days of work per month for any reason, such a person is unemployable).

Please note, the above rules applies to people with no skills. Collage Graduates and below (Most of my cliets have been High School Graduates and below) but people with SKILLS are in higher demand and thus employers are more tolerate of such a person being off tasks (i.e. the above rules do NOT apply to some one with advanced skills, I do NOT mean someone who is a hard worker, but some one with clearly defined professional skills, not someone who just went to High School or Collage).

I must warn him, that if he applies to Social Security, he better make sure he has a medically determined causation before he does AND that the medical problem is known to cause the problems he is having. If he does not have BOTH, he will lose. I advised him to see someone who has some background in this matter before he makes his Social Security claim (Or if he is discharged, make the Social Security Claim at that point AND make a claim for Unemployment, there is NO law saying you can NOT do both at the same time).

Remember in any month that he is earning more then $1000 a month, he is NOT disabled by law, no matter how disabled he is. Thus it would be a waste of time for him to apply for Social Security if he is earning more then $1000 a month (Mininum wage is $7.15 an hour, 7,15 times 40 is $286 a week or $1154 for a four week period, thus if he is earning minimum wage and working at least 40 hours he can NEVER be disabled under the Social Security Act).

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xmas74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-11 09:47 PM
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21. I started a thread on this a couple of months ago.
Similar problem, different state and company. I did my research and found that in my state (Missouri) there are no laws about restroom breaks. You are allowed a meal break per federal law after a certain amount of hours but not a restroom break.

I'd check and see if laws in your state are different. I hope they are. I have a written reprimand on my permanent file because I needed to change my tampon. (I wish this was a joke.)
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udbcrzy2 Donating Member (572 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-11 09:53 PM
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22. He should get a doctors note telling them to allow restroom
break as needed. It should also state that if he is not allowed the restroom breaks that it could cause him to have a urinary tract infection. If he gives them that note, I doubt they will give him any trouble for it.
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