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Fri Jul-22-11 09:03 AM
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The answer to every question about President Obama is, look at his cabinet, |
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and his former Chief of Staff. Seriously it is self-explanatory. It answers the question whether he is playing chess or is he dumb. He isn't playing chess and he isn't anywhere close to dumb.
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Fri Jul-22-11 09:04 AM
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1. Even his current Chief of Staff. |
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Fri Jul-22-11 09:06 AM
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2. Yeah he's evil, unsincere, deceitful and dishonest. |
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Fri Jul-22-11 09:07 AM
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3. Possibly, but I would just say he is pro corporate America like President |
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Fri Jul-22-11 09:15 AM
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4. But I still honestly believe he has the same values so many of us |
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do. He may be pro corporate, but that doesn't explain why he would agree to things that will actually hurt people.
I understand (or it's my belief) that he felt he was doing the best for the most people on health care, for example, and the giveaways to Pharma were what it took to get the deal done. He MAY feel that allowing the country to default will hurt more people than the RUMORED 'adjustments' to SS/Medicare. I just don't know - but in both instances, and others, I think he could have gotten more without giving up so much.
I just don't understand him at times. :(
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Fri Jul-22-11 09:22 AM
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5. After getting fucked over time and time again, it is time for people to wake up. |
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Edited on Fri Jul-22-11 09:23 AM by ej510
President Obama cares about being re-elected and if the American people are hurt, oh well. Like Bill CLinton he is setting himself up to make millions after his Presidency is over.
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Fri Jul-22-11 09:25 AM
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8. But that's one of the most perplexing aspects of this situation -- |
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if they touch SS/Medicare, people won't tolerate it. And it will reflect on the Republicans, too -- it's a no-win for all of them so I don't understand why touching them are even a consideration.
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Fri Jul-22-11 09:28 AM
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9. The republicans want Obama to guy Medicare and Social Security. |
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Remember the DLC, New Democrat, and Third Way Dems support privatizing Social Security.
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Fri Jul-22-11 09:38 AM
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14. And Bush's ratings tanked when he was pushing privatizing SS, |
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so again, I can't help but think this doesn't benefit either the Dems or Reps. Recipients will lash out and that anger will get them to vote against those who supported any cuts. That's what I foresee happening, anyway. Look at what happened in 2010.
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Fri Jul-22-11 09:35 AM
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12. Actually, it will hurt both parties but it will sink this one |
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and the Republicans can hide behind his coattails. They have checkmated him in a game he should never have even played.
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Fri Jul-22-11 09:50 AM
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17. Sigh. I think you're right. It makes me so sad. nt |
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Fri Jul-22-11 07:30 PM
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22. Yeah, we coulda been contenders |
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Fri Jul-22-11 09:22 AM
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6. I think you're basically right! As the "adult" he cannot allow default |
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or the 14th amendment as somewhat less adult, but more ballsy Clinton would have done.
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Fri Jul-22-11 09:33 AM
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11. President Carter was not a good President |
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and yet he's damn near the best human being walking the earth these days. He was not well suited to the job of President. And neither is Obama. I think his personal values have been subsumed by a job that he isn't good at. And that must be a hell of an ego hit, because he's always been great at everything he did. But he is out of his league as President. So was Herbert Hoover and a half dozen other poor Presidents that don't come to mind right now.
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Fri Jul-22-11 09:24 AM
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7. Also, There's Not A Dime's Worth Of Difference Between...... |
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Fri Jul-22-11 09:30 AM
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10. He is an oligarch in service to other oligarchs |
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He's Republican light or what used to be Republican before they became batshit crazy.
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Fri Jul-22-11 09:36 AM
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13. Like GWB, I think Obama |
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surrounded himself by bad people, at least in my opinion.
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Fri Jul-22-11 09:40 AM
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15. Yes, his advisors and cabinet - |
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say everything about him. He is not dumb, he is not spineless, he is asking for and getting exactly what he wants. It's all here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1540315
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Fri Jul-22-11 09:45 AM
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16. This is how I see it. There is a saying, Who you surround yourself with |
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speaks volumes about who you are as a person.
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Fri Jul-22-11 01:47 PM
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18. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree |
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Fri Jul-22-11 01:49 PM
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19. 'Dumb' was the last guy's excuse. |
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Now it seems there's another rationale for the same old agenda at play.
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Fri Jul-22-11 01:55 PM
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20. When a few brave souls pointed this out |
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before his inauguration, and during the first six months, and then year, and then 18 months, of his term, we were thoroughly bludgeoned, and then told:
"Give him TIME!!! He hasn't even had TIME!!!!"
Has he had enough time yet?
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Fri Jul-22-11 01:56 PM
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21. So, the question remains unanswered |
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