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Snoutport Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 10:50 AM
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Hacking judge partied at Murdoch's daughter's house-Cameron is screwed:Today's News Roundup
Edited on Fri Jul-22-11 11:07 AM by Snoutport
Good Morning and welcome to today's roundup of the Phone hacking stories! With all the stories breaking I'm not sure if you all see a need for a write up like this. Rec it if you like it and if the results are good I'll keep doing write-ups. I'm reading the news anyway so I don't mind but it does take a bit of time to do the typing.

First: The London Evening Standard is running an article saying that the judge Prime Minister Cameron appointed to oversee the hacking scandal has ties to Rupert Murdoch. Ends up the judge has been two parties at Murdoch's daughter's house and out to dinner once with the son-in-law. This is VERY bad for Cameron. He will have to explain his choice now and it only makes him look even more tied to Murdoch and his minions. I have been saying all along that Cameron will have to step down over this. I think appointing this judge gets him one foot closer out the door. (it is interesting to note: The Evening Standard hasn't been following this case much but the way they word this story still seems to shelter Murdoch. They don't say "Rupert Murdoch's daughter's house" they say: " Justice Leveson has attended two evening events at the London home of PR boss Matthew Freud - who is married to Rupert Murdoch's daughter Elisabeth" as though they are distancing him from Murdoch. http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23972388-investigate-james-murdoch-over-smoking-gun-email-urges-mp.do

The Independent is leading with: Wapping at war as former allies turn on James Murdoch
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/wapping-at-war-as-former-allies-turn-on-james-murdoch-2318540.html

The Guardian is reporting that if Murdoch lied (he mislead, at least) the Parliament committee he will face jail time. I think he is going to jail.

Sky News is reporting that Chris Bryant, MP, is asking for both Murdochs to be suspended from their board positions at News Corp and BSkyB. http://twitter.com/#!/SkyNewsBreak/status/94337809736933376

The FBI is interviewing Jude Law. A few months ago I posted that all we needed was for one of these British stars to have been in the US when their phone was hacked. Jude Law is suing for hacking...and it appears he was in the US for a portion of the hacking. Here we go!

Even the Wall Street Journal, Owned by News Corp and Murdoch's proudest US holding is running this story now: Justice Department Prepares Subpoenas in News Corp. Inquiry
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111903461104576460393481721896.html


The Telegraph is finally reporting that Murdoch's papers were hacking into email systems as well. It is already known that they were sending trojan viruses in emails that, once opened, gave the sender complete access to the sendee's computers. Now that this is breaking in England I think it will be a matter of days until we see evidence of it happening here. "Phone Hacking: emails next scandal, says Tom Watson" http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/phone-hacking/8653960/Phone-Hacking-emails-next-scandal-says-Tom-Watson.html

THe BBC is reporting they have seen a copy of a "blue book" with all the listings of Scottish phone hacking by News of the World and a DIFFERENT investigator. Remember, most of this case has been about Glenn Muclcaire, ONE investigator. The more of the investigators that are investigated the bigger this story gets. If one guy hacked 4000 phones...imagine how many ten investigators hacked! http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-14253208

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-14242323--The mayor of London is probably going to lose his job for his role in trying to make little of the phone hacking stuff.

OK...that's it for now!! I'll add new stories as I find them below. :0) have a great weekend!!!
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 10:53 AM
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1. I for one appreciate your synopses of these events..
:hi:

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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 10:58 AM
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7. I for two
great job, SP - helps to make sense of it all. Thank you.
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Peregrine Took Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 11:13 AM
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17. For three! Thanks. n/t
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 02:49 PM
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57. Ditto, snoutpout.
HUGE timesaver for me, Please continue if you can.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 02:58 PM
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60. Go for 5
Keep up the good work :hi:
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 03:03 PM
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61. For four!
Edited on Fri Jul-22-11 03:03 PM by calimary
Seems like there's almost too much to keep track of sometimes. Probably part of the objective - to keep us so busy on so many fronts that we can't possibly keep up with all the shit that side of the spectrum has been up to.

DAMN I'm sick of that!!!! Feels like we're always scrambling on catch-up mode, always one or two steps behind.

:grr:
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 10:53 AM
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2. Enthusiastically K&R n/t
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enlightenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 10:55 AM
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3. Thanks much, Snoutport -
I don't about anyone else, but I appreciate the work you're doing in pulling the stories together!
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 10:56 AM
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4. Much appreciated! I wonder how they are going to clean up this mess - the Met is compromised... nt
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Snoutport Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 11:04 AM
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12. I honestly don't know...I've heard rumblings that MI7 is compromised as well
With their own little group of murdoch minions.
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Snoutport Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 01:17 PM
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37. NEW STORY: Phone hacking: Committee wants to speak to James Murdoc
Uh oh...James is being called back to Parliament. :0)
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Snoutport Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 01:31 PM
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40. BREAKING: Scotland has just started their own investigation.
I wonder how long until Ireland opens an investigation?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-14253526
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Snoutport Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 02:03 PM
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45. Oohhhhh.... News Corp boss 'linked' to leak of Vince Cable's Rupert Murdoch comments
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 02:04 PM
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47. excellent!
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Snoutport Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 02:12 PM
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50. IMPORTANT: The 'For Neville' email: two words that could bring down an empire
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Snoutport Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 02:27 PM
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53. The Washington Post posts a story : Michael Regan, Rupert Murdoch’s man in Washington
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 04:26 PM
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69. And Australia.
:popcorn:
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 10:57 AM
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5. Appreciated
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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 10:57 AM
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6. Thank you so much Snoutport, what a great review...n/t
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 10:58 AM
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8. Cameon's troubles grow by the hour
This is collusion and coverup by the elites.
Heads will roll!!
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Snoutport Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 11:14 AM
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18. yup...the judge was a very, very bad move.
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ejpoeta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 10:59 AM
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9. thank you for these updates. i for one appreciate them. I am havng a hard time keeping up
with all of this stuff going on. You are doing a great job of making it fit together it just seems to get bigger and bigger. I hope it swallows the whole lot of them. I worry that the corruption involving the police department will make it difficult to trust the police department investigating it properly....
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Snoutport Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 11:20 AM
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21. It takes over an hour to check all the news sites I follow now...
SO MANY ARTICLES!! one day the Guardian broke 39 stories about phone hacking!
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ejpoeta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 01:20 PM
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38. geesh!! it's all coming so fast now isn't it!! like a freight train.
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 11:02 AM
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10. Link for the Evening Standard story on the judge:
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23972388-investigate-james-murdoch-over-smoking-gun-email-urges-mp.do

That is very interesting. Surely the judge should have already pointed out contact like that? It shouldn't be that hard to find a judge that doesn't know the Murdochs, Rebekah Brooks etc. socially.
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Snoutport Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 11:08 AM
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14. Thank you Muriel! I left that off.
That Judge has some questions to answer, I would think.
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 11:19 AM
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19. Well it does say
Edited on Fri Jul-22-11 11:22 AM by dipsydoodle
Lord Leveson had been appointed on the recommendation of the Lord Chief Justice "in line with the procedure of the Inquiries Act 2005." He was the only proposed candidate.

"He has been entirely open about attending these events," a spokesman added.

:shrug:

It would seem that the only person who can really comment on this is Lord Judge himself.
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Snoutport Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 01:06 PM
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36. I wonder if he will recuse himself. We know Clarence Thomas sure the heck wouldn't!
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 02:09 PM
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49. He might I suppose.
:shrug:

btw - most comparisons between here and the US including our legal systems are pretty meaningless.

:hi:

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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 04:49 AM
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101. BBC have now clarified the background to this issue
Meanwhile, the BBC's Robin Brant said that Lord Leveson had made the disclosure about his connection to the Murdoch family to both David Cameron and the Lord Chief Justice Lord Judge, before he was chosen last week as the man to lead the judicial inquiry into phone hacking.

The senior judge met with Matthew Freud, who is married to Rupert Murdoch's daughter Elisabeth, at functions while he was chairman of the sentencing council, which advises the government on sentencing policy.

Downing Street said Lord Leveson attended the events organised by Mr Freud in his capacity as sentencing council chair, and "nothing more".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14259180
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 11:03 AM
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11. What's funny is that according to Michael Wolff. Murdick loved Gordon Brown and had to be
sold on Cameron by his daughter and "Sideshow Bob" Brooks. Supposedly Ol' Rupert thought Cameron was "slick, too young" and kind of "a docuhe" (OK I added the last one). Now cameron has hung this old rotting criminal fuck around his neck.
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Snoutport Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 11:05 AM
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13. "old rotting criminal f+ck around his neck"
you totally win the "pick a new name for rupert murdoch" contest!
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 11:20 AM
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20. .
:evilgrin:
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 11:09 AM
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15. Locked up where ?
St Stephens Tower ? :rofl:
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Snoutport Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 12:12 PM
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28. Tower of London!
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mwooldri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 07:46 PM
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83. That'll definitely make it the #1 tourist attraction :)
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 11:12 AM
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16. K & R
:thumbsup:
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 11:24 AM
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22. The rich and powerful "mislead" -- the rest of us "lie"
:rofl:I love the semantics of class warfare in the morning!

Thanks for these threads, Snoutport! :hi:...quite informative.
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Snoutport Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 11:37 AM
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24. yeah...I've noticed that tool. "mistaken" is used quite a bit as well
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 11:22 PM
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91. Yep. Then the rich and powerful get away with it with medals...
and the rest of us get locked up...

Hope the tide is turning, at long last!
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Dept of Beer Donating Member (957 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 11:32 AM
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23. I don't believe that anything much will come of this.

Power protects its own.
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Snoutport Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 11:38 AM
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26. World's largest newspaper-2.6 a week, shut down. That doesn't count as something?
Any weakening of Murdoch's grip of government is good.
Any shuttering of his media network is good.

2.6 million people didn't read his garbage this week. That is VERY good.
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Dept of Beer Donating Member (957 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 12:25 PM
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30. It'll be the price of a speeding ticket to them.

Is there a icon for jaded?
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Snoutport Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 12:55 PM
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34. lol.... the paper sold for a pound...70% profit x 2.6 million papers...
they were offered a billion pounds for it last year and turned it down.

It is only a portion of the pie but it still hurt. BSkyB hurt and cost them another 34 million in fees for backing out, the lawsuits have already cost them millions and there could be 4000 more of those coming...

jaded, yes, but it does hurt their influence and that is good.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 12:34 PM
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31. Already several people have had to resign like two Police
Chiefs. Brooks has been arrested along with Coulson, it looks like the Cameron govt may fall. Murdoch was about to buy even more of the UK's media, that is not happening now, so his power rather than growing as it was just weeks ago, is now diminishing.

So already a lot has finally come of all this. And there will be more. Here in the US it looks like Murdoch may have violated some laws.

I doubt he will be influencing any elections in the near future as he has in the past. That's not to say that someone else won't, but I think he's lost all credibility and finally Politicians are not afraid of him anymore. Why they ever were is a good question though.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 02:49 PM
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58. That's a good summary of the positive impacts of this scandal thus far. Thanks!
But do see my comment below (#41) replying to AndyTiedye (#25) on possible outcomes, as to justice.

I'm reminded of the Plame outing scandal. There were some positive (illuminating) side effects of that scandal. But the fact that Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld committed treason, and tried to get ALL the CIA's WMD counter-proliferation agents/contacts around the world murdered (by outing her front company, Brewster-Jennings, as well) simply fell by the wayside. Libby went to jail for "obstructing justice." That's it.

I think that about 99% of what was really going on remained beneath the surface, and no one was held accountable for numerous major crimes, including the murder of UN weapons inspector David Kelly, unknown murders of B-J agents/contacts, the deaths of people involved in a plot to plant WMDs in Iraq that would lead to Iran (expansion of the war to Iran in '03), egregiously illegal and unjust war and the horrible deaths of about a million people, all told, theft on an unimaginable scale (billions of dollars) and possibly torture for fun and profit.

Rumsfeld was ousted in '06 for a REASON, and that ousting, and the reason for it and who did it are unknown. My guess: Daddy Bush, Leon Panetta (member of Daddy Bush's Iraq Study Group), the CIA and military brass ousted Rumsfeld mainly because he was going to force Bush Jr to push the nuke button on Iran--an expansion of the war that was foiled in '03 (by the CIA's own counter-proliferation agents?)--and China and Russia were threatening to come into it, on Iran's side. Potential Armageddon. Rumsfeld didn't care. Also, the CIA was furious at Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld and was going to retaliate. This was a "save Bush Jr" project. Panetta was then installed as CIA Director, mainly to stop the internal war between the Pentagon and the CIA, and to clean Jr's trail of any odd bits (Colombia?) that might embarrass Obama as to his deal not to investigate or prosecute on any of this. Panetta has apparently finished healing wounds at the CIA and is on to the Pentagon.

Some such internal war, among the very powerful people who are ruling the U.S. and the U.K., may be what is behind the curtain of this scandal as well. It is axiomatic that Murdoch will never go to jail, just as Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld never will. They may be removed from the line of fire, or bumped out of power (if they step on too many other powerful toes, or fuck up in some blatant way that embarrasses other powerful people). They may even lose a few billion dollars, or have to pull their hands out of the government troughs (with plenty to fall back on). Maybe things get so hot that they retire and write their memoirs--in their laps of luxury. Only the lowest level perps suffer any consequences, if that.

That is how I am viewing this scandal--as 99% opaque and as a tussle (maybe more than a tussle--a war) among the very powerful. We may learn some things. We may learn a lot more by deep analysis and educated guesses. We will not see justice. And it will not benefit most people, because the war-profiteer, corporate-looting and propaganda machine goes way beyond Murdoch. As we can see very well, it is on-going, even with Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld out of power. They're now into a third oil war and looting Social Security.

Did you see where Cameron is going to use the media investigation panel he has put together to go after the BBC?! This war machine has been out to destroy the BBC since the David Kelly whistleblowing. They've already been "downsized." I expect that this purpose of the war machine will go forward whether Cameron retires in luxury (and lands on many prestigious boards) or not. Cameron said this: the BBC is a target of the investigative panel. He even alluded to the Kelly whistleblowing when he said that all government contacts with ANY media group (read the BBC) need to be strictly monitored. Cameron wouldn't dare do this if it were not on the agenda of the real rulers of his country. So, ALREADY this scandal has been turned to corporate/war profiteer purpose. i really don't expect anything else from it--except a little more learning for us disempowered citizens of these two corporate/war profiteer-occupied countries.

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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 05:12 PM
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72. Sadly, I think you are probably right.
Thanks too for the summary of the Plame scandal. A repeat of all the others, like Watergate and Iran/Congra.

I especially agree with this:

That is how I am viewing this scandal--as 99% opaque and as a tussle (maybe more than a tussle--a war) among the very powerful

Same as with the Strauss/Kahn 'scandal'. A battle among the rulers of the world, he must have done something to upset someone even more powerful. And I wonder, if that scandal and the Murdoch scandal are somehow connected.

They got the person they wanted for the IMF, stopped him from running for president of France and then when those two things were accomplished, dropped the phony 'sex scandal'. Rupert played his part in that also, using the NY Post to make sure his reputation was completely ruined. We know now that the NYPD and the prosecutors knew from the beginning almost, that they had no case, but waited until after the IMF chief was in place and it was too late to enter the French primaries. They love Sarkozy, who btw, is close friends with Ray Kelly, chief of the NYPD.

I have often wondered how a tabloud entrepreneur managed to gain so much power is so many countries and why so many people were afraid of him. It didn't make sense if that is all he was. It appears he may have been just a puppet, the propagandist for the New World Order, after all. I wonder why this is happening now though? It's not as though there were plenty of reasons to go after him in the past?

As for Cameron's plans to go after the BBC, I hadn't heard that. That does take gall, which as you point out, he would not have if he was not backed by some powerful forces.

I can't put it all together though. Clearly Murdoch and Strauss Kahn were powerful people. But very different, in the sense that DSK was slightly more progressive, or maybe just smarter than the 'Austerity/Shared Sacrifice' people.

Still, there are elements that might present some hope that things could turn out differently now, than were around during the Plame affair. There are the constant revelations from Wikileaks eg, and the massive economic failures, or successes depending on who benefits or doesn't from them. But the world's population is far more informed now, than they were then. They seem to be getting desperate, a lot less subtle than they used to be. But you're right, we probably won't ever know the real facts, unless there really are two factions among those who are in charge.

Julian Assange eg, stated last January, that he has material on Murdoch's Empire that is so explosive, he is using it as insurance for his life. If it was just a hacking scandal, I doubt it would be enough to keep him alive. He did say, however 'unless someone else releases it first'.

Thank you for your post, it is very informative as always.



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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 12:57 PM
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35. That is why Jeffrey Skilling got away scott free?
"Power protects its own..."


That is why Jeffrey Skilling got away scott free?
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 11:38 AM
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25. Time for Murdoch to Do the Frog March
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 01:39 PM
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41. Yeah, like so many rightwing criminals have done in England and the U.S.!
I have NO FAITH in the so-called "justice" systems in either country. I've seen them fail and do the opposite of justice too often. Also, people who are this rich and powerful simply do NOT go to jail, nor do most of their "made men" (unless they "fall on their swords," as "Scooter Libby" did, to protect their bosses for future reward or to cover up something MUCH BIGGER). (I have my theories about what the Libby sword-fall was covering up.)

Not that it isn't as gratifying as hell to see this major RW shit in trouble and all the sewage leaking out. But I'd say "enjoy it while it lasts," because we have been here before, time and again, entranced by the notion that our exceedingly corrupt "justice" systems and political systems are going to produce real justice. Indeed, some of us have been here since Nov. 22, 1963.* And, lately, there have been so many horrors swept under the transglobal corporate/war profiteer carpet, it is truly dizzying.

One thing I think we should look out for (if possible) or at least be cognizant of, is that the military, police and intelligence powers-that-be in the U.S. and England have been doing exactly what Murdoch has been doing: spying on everybody. This big, explosive scandal--which (if history is any guide) will not result in justice being done--could even be a smokescreen for yet more sinister activities by the very parties who are "investigating" Murdoch.

The suspicion in Colombia ($7 BILLION in military aid from U.S. taxpayers via the Bush Junta) is that the big government spying operation overseen by Bush tool, Alvaro Uribe, was using the spy info to create "hit lists" and resulted in the murders of thousands of trade unionists, human rights workers, peasant farmer organizers, teachers, community activists, journalists, political leftists and others, by the Colombian military (about half) and their rightwing paramilitary death squads, in addition to death threats against judges, prosecutors and political leaders, and use of spying to monitor and anticipate investigations of Uribe's crimes. The U.S. government (Obama) has been actively protecting and even coddling Uribe, probably because of what he knows about Bush Junta crimes in Colombia. Justice ain't in it.

Murdoch apparently used his spying info to get or create tabloid stories, to control politicians and other such purposes. (No murders that we know of yet--although there have been two suspicious deaths.) Think of the even greater powers and far worse purposes of those engaged in torture, illegal war and massive theft, under "Iron Curtains" of secrecy with "Patriot Act" curtailment of human and civil rights.

I think we need to understand that notions of justice, truth, transparency and democracy itself are not in operation at these levels of power--the U.S. government, the U.K. government and their transglobal corporate/war profiteer rulers. It's possible that within such corrupt imperial structures internal wars erupt. (The war between Cheney/Rumsfeld and the CIA--of which we saw only the 'tips of the iceberg'--the Plame and Brewster-Jennings outings and David Kelly's murder--may be one such internal imperial war.) Could be Murdoch is on the wrong side of some kind of internal war. Both sides are bad (tyrannical, anti-democratic, corrupt) but he stepped on the wrong bad toes, and will suffer scandal for a while, as a result, and some loss of revenue, but VERY likely will "land on his feet." I'm just speculating, at this point, based on following many such scandals closely. But our normal democratic visions of this level of criminal doing "the perp walk" need to be tempered with realism and above all with suspicion--deep suspicion--of everything we read and are presented with in the corporate 'news' media show. Also, having followed the Guardian and the BBC on their coverage of Latin America, I can tell you that even they are not to be trusted. They have failed in some respects (certainly on LatAm) and they can be "played."

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*(James Douglass' "JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why It Matters"--brilliantly book; highly recommended for an understanding of this world, now.)
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 02:18 PM
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51. +++++
Those who want to see "justice' may be severely disappointed.

As u say Peace Patriot, "notions of justice, truth, transparency and democracy are not in operation at these levels of power."

People need to understand this! Anything else is seriously naive.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 02:27 PM
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54. Yeah, I Know, But We Can Dream, Can't We?
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 03:10 PM
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62. Yes! Absolutely! We can and must dream of a better government, a better sociey and a better world
A better world IS possible! I believe that. And I believe in the on-going dream and struggle for justice throughout human history, and the awesome accomplishments of such dreamers and strugglers in our era. I think, actually, that the success of citizen movements in the 20th Century--the labor movement, the women's rights movement, the "New Deal" (economic rights), the civil rights movement, the anti-Vietnam War movement, the environmental movement, the anti-apartheid movement and the more recent and amazing leftist democracy movement in Latin America, are WHY we have seen this horrendous backlash among the very rich and powerful. They rightfully fear the progressive majority in this country and elsewhere. They know that if they don't control us--with war and looting of "the commons" and 'TRADE SECRET' voting machines--we will disempower them, in all justice. We will dismantle their corporations and make them pay their fair share of social costs. We will create a social/economic system that is good for everyone--in which everyone has a chance, and in which we care for our brother and sister humans who are young, or sick , or elderly.

They fear us--"we the people." And that is not a dream. That is an existing reality. It is the reason for all the secrecy, manipulation and propaganda.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 04:34 PM
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70. Yes!
I like this.

"They fear us--"we the people." And that is not a dream. That is an existing reality. It is the reason for all the secrecy, manipulation and propaganda."

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snagglepuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 11:54 AM
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27. Great roundup. I didn't know they were sending trojan viruses. Absolutely shocking.
Did you see the update about Brooks' husband's ipad and laptop found in the trash bin of hte underground garage?

Police are holding them for further investigation. Husband says that a friend who had them was supposed to have left them in a bag the garage so he could pick them up later but claims that a cleaner must have thought it was garbage so put the bag in the trash bin. Police are looking at CCTV to determine who put the bag in the bin.

Who in their right mind arranges to have their personal laptop and ipad left in an underground garage? This story gets stranger and stranger.


Thanks for all the updates.
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Snoutport Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 12:52 PM
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32. yeah...i think he thought the police were gonna impound their computers
so he got his the heck out of there and stashed it at the mall carpark.

I figure it is either the computer she used for work and they hadn't had it wiped yet OR it was his was something on it that he was terrified of the police finding. (an affair? porn? who knows....)
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ejpoeta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 01:23 PM
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39. who would leave an IPAD and LAPTOP in a garage!! i mean come on.
that shit has sensitive information on it even if it is just a personal item and they are filthy rich and could stand to lose such a thing. you aren't going to just leave something like that lying around.
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Snoutport Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 01:40 PM
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42. I think they threw it away but then got scared and went back but it was gone
but VERY suspicious....no way around that.
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Snoutport Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 12:23 PM
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29. NEW LINK: Labour accused of hypocrisy over Murdoch contacts
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pennylane100 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 06:36 PM
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79. I could see that one coming a mile away.
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 12:53 PM
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33. I *love* your threads.
:loveya:
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Snoutport Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 01:50 PM
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43. Thanks Myrna! I don't think everyone realizes how much potential there is for the
conservative movement to lose one of their biggest leaders over this. Goodbye Rupert Murdoch would be a great thing!
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libodem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 01:56 PM
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44. Appreciate the research
Thanks.
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 02:03 PM
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46. Good grief, just when you think things can't get any worse!
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 02:05 PM
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48. I know... isn't it grand!!!!
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Snoutport Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 02:23 PM
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52. BETTER! Just when you think things can't get any BETTER.
The people in the know say there is more coming that is worse. I can't wait.
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 02:36 PM
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55. You're so right about that...
and I confess to be chomping at the bit for more of it!
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bongbong Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 02:46 PM
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56. Wow!
What does Morlock think - that he is King Of The World?
:sarcasm:
Of course, by all measures, the answer is an unqualified "yes".
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hifiguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 02:54 PM
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59. It seems to me that Jude Law and any one else
who can show their phones were hacked would have a truly excellent basis for a lawsuit against the Murdochs and NewsCorp. That could be very interesting, to say the least.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 03:16 PM
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63. This illustrates how thoroughly
the Murdoch fascist crime family has wrapped its tentacles around the government in London. I'm sure they have done the same in this country. Look how Obama and many Democrats treat them as if they are legitimate. They are NOT legitimate! Why wouldn't Obama know this? You see their product on Fox, you think these are good and honorable people?
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 11:51 PM
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94. Why would a mega-plutocrat with litterally TONS of money interest politicians?
And it's not just TONS of money, it's also MASSIVELY illegal phone & email HACKING, thus -- surprise, surprise -- BLACKMAIL...
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emsimon33 Donating Member (904 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 03:36 PM
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64. K&R & Thank you for the clear & cogent update
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 03:41 PM
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65. Mathew Freud -- doubly related to Edward Bernays
Edited on Fri Jul-22-11 03:44 PM by JDPriestly
Freud is the son of June Flewett and the late writer Sir Clement Freud, his sister is television interviewer Emma Freud. His great-grandfather is Sigmund Freud and he is doubly related to the 'father' of public relations, Edward Bernays, whose father was Sigmund Freud's brother-in-law (the brother of Sigmund Freud's wife) and whose mother was Sigmund Freud's sister. He is the nephew of artist Lucian Freud and (by former marriage) of the late writer Lady Caroline Blackwood, and his cousins include fashion designer Bella Freud, novelists Susie Boyt and Esther Freud.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Freud

Edward Bernays

Edward Louis Bernays (November 22, 1891 – March 9, 1995), was an American pioneer in the field of public relations and propaganda along with Ivy Lee, referred to in his obituary as "the father of public relations".<1> Combining the ideas of Gustave Le Bon and Wilfred Trotter on crowd psychology with the psychoanalytical ideas of his uncle, Dr. Sigmund Freud, Bernays was one of the first to attempt to manipulate public opinion by appealing to, and attempting to influence, the unconscious.

He felt this manipulation was necessary in society, which he regarded as irrational and dangerous as a result of the 'herd instinct' that Trotter had described. Adam Curtis's award-winning 2002 documentary for the BBC, The Century of the Self, pinpoints Bernays as the originator of modern public relations, and Bernays was named one of the 100 most influential Americans of the 20th century by Life magazine.<2>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Bernays

Watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0OrT-8gXMs

On edit: this explains Rupert Murdoch's hold on stupid Americans.

On second edit: I do not mean to imply that all Americans are stupid. Far from it. But Fox viewers? Yes. They are stupid. Can't think for themselves. In fact, they think more from what's under their underwear than what is in their brains.
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 03:50 PM
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66. Excellent and indeed fair and balanced...kr nt
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 03:58 PM
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67. Kicked and recommended.
Thanks for the thread and keep it up, Snoutport.:thumbsup:
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AikidoSoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 04:21 PM
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68. Thanks for all the links. Hope this all burns the entire Murdoch propaganda operation.
They deserve it so very, very much.

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Firebrand Gary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 04:49 PM
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71. Good grief, is there a country that Murdoch does not control or own 1/2 of the politicians?
This ENTIRE organization must go down!!
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 01:06 AM
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98. +1000% ---
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pam4water Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 05:51 PM
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73. Good info :) K&R
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cachukis Donating Member (232 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 05:58 PM
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74. Much support. Aces.
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beac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 05:59 PM
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75. I've been following the story closely too, but really appreciate your round-up--
Edited on Fri Jul-22-11 06:01 PM by beac
a few in there that I missed!

:applause:


edited for typo
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October Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 06:00 PM
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76. Wow, thanks for the updates! Much obliged. K&R!
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HomerRamone Donating Member (460 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 06:07 PM
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77. It's too bad politicians suffer absolutely nothing from conflict of interest in *this* country
Cheney, the Supreme Court, and on down...
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 06:30 PM
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78. Murdoch is one head of the Hydra monster - who will take his place?
One of my concerns: if Murdoch falls, I feel all too sure that there are others, perhaps even worse but more secret, ready to assume his role of Big Brothering the mass media. In fact, I'd be surprised if they weren't already in place, since controlling mass media is an essential part of what these people need to lead the citizenry by the nose. We need to keep our eyes open for OTHER, more successfully concealed Big Brothers. I'd delighted to see all these developments, but I think Murdoch is only one head of the hydra here.

That said, I'm hoping that the precedent of PROVING how hand-in-glove the politicians and mass media controllers are will open some eyes at last, though in the US too many eyes remain firmly closed. Those in other countries who can't understand why "Americans are so crazy" to allow their government to get away with what it does would better understand it if they saw what Americans have for mass media brainwashing 24/7.

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Kingofalldems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 06:40 PM
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80. Kick again
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 06:43 PM
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81. Latest -Andy Coulson investigated for perjury while working at No 10
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/jul/22/andy-coulson-investigated-perjury-allegations
<snip>
Andy Coulson, the prime minister's former director of communications, is being investigated by police for allegedly committing perjury while working for David Cameron in Downing Street.

The development renews pressure on the prime minister over his judgment in hiring the former News of the World editor and represents the third criminal investigation Coulson faces, adding to allegations that he knew of phone hacking while in charge of the tabloid and authorised bribes to police officers.

Strathclyde detectives confirmed that they had opened a perjury inquiry centred on evidence Coulson gave in court last year that led to a man being jailed.

At the trial Coulson also denied knowing that the paper paid corrupt police officers for tip-offs, which contradicts recent disclosures that News International has uncovered emails showing payments were made to the police during his editorship.

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Andy's going to prison and Cameron is in more trouble
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Kingofalldems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 06:46 PM
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82. And nothing like this ever ever ever happened in the US
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juajen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 08:46 PM
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84. Please keep on reporting. I am very grateful. You are so concise.
Thank you very much.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 08:53 PM
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85. Kicked for the 8:54 PM CST crowd. n/t
Edited on Fri Jul-22-11 08:54 PM by Uncle Joe
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 09:03 PM
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86. i can't keep up
and definitely appreciate your work here.
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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 09:20 PM
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87. Hugh Grant already reported hacking a long time ago.
Is Matthew Freud son of Lucian Freud, the painter, who just died? Thus one of Sigmund's great-grandsons?
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Scottybeamer70 Donating Member (844 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 09:32 PM
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88. Snoutport...........
the piece you wrote has also appeared on WRH....What Really Happened.........Congrats!!!
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greiner3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 10:00 PM
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89. You rock dude;
:bounce:
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the_chinuk Donating Member (240 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 10:01 PM
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90. If the world's smart, they're following your updates. Good work! k/r n/t
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earcandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 11:47 PM
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92. Thank you.
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givemebackmycountry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 11:48 PM
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93. You need to take ALL of your posts and convert them into a DU journal.
They will ALL be in a single place for us to reference.
Do. It. Now.

If you plan on doing something with these, they will all be neat and tidy.
They will live forever, or as long as DU is around.
And even then...
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arikara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 12:10 AM
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96. I second that idea
It would be great to have a journal of these for sure. Thanks for your work Snoutport, it is much appreciated.
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 11:53 PM
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95. K&R!
PB
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 12:54 AM
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97. Good job -- keep at it --
Edited on Sat Jul-23-11 12:58 AM by defendandprotect
They also seem to be ignoring the misogynist overtones of Murdock newspapers

pointed to by one of the journalists as a necessary evil of working for him --


also note everyone also seems to be ignoring the "suicide" --



:)


And a "wow" on this ...


The Telegraph is finally reporting that Murdoch's papers were hacking into email systems as well. It is already known that they were sending trojan viruses in emails that, once opened, gave the sender complete access to the sendee's computers. Now that this is breaking in England I think it will be a matter of days until we see evidence of it happening here. "Phone Hacking: emails next scandal, says Tom Watson" http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/phone-hacking/86...

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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 01:44 AM
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99. K & R, bookmarked.
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intaglio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 03:16 AM
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100. Keith Olberman thinks NOW may be implicated in Climategate
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EV_Ares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 08:01 AM
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102. Thanks for this, saves me time and you have it set up great. I am following it
as I think we will see more of this story and more involvement of Murdoch in the US.

Keep it up.
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MaeScott Donating Member (295 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 09:20 AM
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103. K and R!!!!!! nt
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