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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 12:36 PM
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The Year Was 1965. I Was in the USAF. I was 19 years old. DADT Didn't Exist.
Edited on Fri Jul-22-11 12:36 PM by MineralMan
I had finished Basic Training and was in the casual barracks while waiting to go on leave before reporting to the Russian Language School at Syracuse University. The casual barracks sucked, basically, but I was there because of the timing of the next class to enter the language program. While you're on casual status, you're available to be assigned all sorts of duties. We cleaned out a warehouse (where I scored a rare field jacket liner), did KP all over Lackland AFB, and did various other duties for a month, just biding time and waiting for our chance to head home on leave, then travel to the school.

One day, I got assigned to do night guard duty in some barracks building. I reported there. It turned out that the barracks was full of people waiting to be discharged after not completing Basic Training for one reason or another or for other reasons. About half of the barracks was guys about my age who were being discharged for being gay. I was a small town kid, and hadn't really encountered any gay people that I knew about, and people were still closeting themselves pretty securely in general. During that night, I talked with a number of the men in that barracks. There, I met a number of people who truly wanted to serve in the Air Force, but who were not allowed to do so because they were gay. I heard some of their stories.

Frankly, due to my age and small-town background, it was all new to me. It didn't take long, though, before I could see just how unfair the policy was. This wasn't DADT. This was, "You're a homosexual and that's just like being a criminal." These men were getting bad conduct discharges. I was confused as to why they couldn't serve. I was just a lowly A1C and could do nothing about it, either. It seemed unfair and stupid. But I was just 19, and couldn't figure out what I could do about it. In reality, there wasn't anything I could do at the time, except be sad at how these people who wanted to serve were being treated.

It was during that night on guard duty that I actually became aware that gays were a minority who were suffering severe discrimination. A few months before that, I had been standing in Montgomery, Alabama, listening to Dr. King speak. Now, here was another group who were experiencing discrimination. For a 19 year old small town kid, it was vastly confusing. I had joined the USAF to have some time to integrate some of the things I had learned and to buy some time before making my next life decisions. Also, I was due to be drafted after dropping out of college after becoming disillusioned about my life.

That started my support for GLBT rights. I was already firmly committed to racial equality, and now I had another issue to consider. Figuring out what I could do took up a lot of my four years in the USAF, but I started working on the issues even while still in the service.

Today, it looks like DADT is finally going to disappear. I'm celebrating. I'm also frustrated at how long it took. We have a black man as President, today. Tomorrow, we may have a gay man or a lesbian woman as President. I'm certain that we'll have marriage equality before long. It's gratifying, but still disappointing in how long all this is taking.
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 12:41 PM
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1. Oh, Geez let's all say Obama finally woke up
He must have talked to the preacher that he asked to speak at his inauguration

I an't gay but I find this post rather patronizing.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 12:44 PM
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2. I'm sorry you found it that way. It is what happened to me.
It's not about anyone else, nor does it signify anything other than what my experience was. I'm not sure how you made a connection to President Obama. In 1965, he wasn't really a factor in anything.
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 12:55 PM
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6. Yes your post was about Obama and not just about you
and your relationship with the gay community.


I've got gay friends and cousins who says his turn around
is red meat. They are still pissed

Yes he's better than any republican president or potential republican
president but that doesn't say shit these days.

I know you support gay rights but I thought your post
knowing your support for Obama was rather obvious.
if not sub contextual, subliminal and yes a truthful story
with motives of its own.

Sorry,I'm under the weather and a little snippy.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 01:00 PM
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7. It has nothing whatever to do with Obama. Today, DADT is
on it's last legs. This is about DADT. It's about how I learned something. You do not get to make it about Obama. It is not.

I'm not shy. If I have something to say about President Obama, I say it right out, and make a thread about it. I've done that many times. This thread is about how I learned what the military thought about gay people, and how that influenced me. You don't get to decide what my threads are about. Sorry.
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Snoutport Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 12:47 PM
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3. Not patronizing at all...
People are having reactions to D.A.D.T. and how the military's treatment of gays have affected them.

I very much appreciate people sharing personal stories that help us all relate to the different routes that have brought us here to DU.

I appreciate that Mineral Man didn't jump on the military bandwagon and see the gay guys as bad. He saw them as people with equal rights. He could have taken the accepted line of the time but he didn't and I, for one, appreciate it.

:0)
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 12:49 PM
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4. I, for one, am glad to admit that my thinking and attitudes have evolved over the years.
I take no credit for that, but owe my thanks to each and every person who led me on my way, step by step. Some of them were friends and relatives, others people I never knew personally.

Society changes, one person at a time.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 12:54 PM
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5. Truly, none of us were born with any particular political position.
We've all arrived at our positions based on our life experience. What I described was one of my life experiences that influenced me. There were many, many more.
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 04:39 PM
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8. Did we read the same post? nt
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 04:41 PM
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9. Great post MM...
oh, and you saw Dr King live? I envy you in that regard (I was born in 68- very bad year)
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 06:17 PM
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12. I did. I couldn't walk across the Edmund Pettus bridge with him
because the numbers were limited and others had far more claim to that honor than I did. So, I crossed later and stood in the crowd to hear him talk.

I had driven from California to see him speak.
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 06:34 PM
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13. the closest tie to history I have ever had...
was meeting Charlie Duke a few years ago. One of only 12 men who touched the moon. He seemed like a great guy.
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w8liftinglady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 04:50 PM
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10. My dad was a Chinese linguist in the AF
He also was very open=minded about gay and lesbian students of his.
As he was dying,he told me about how many of his students were (You may have even met my dad-you linguists hang together).

My partner guarded my dad in Laos and Viet Nam. He also says he could have given a shit if a guy was gay or straight.

My kid,as straight as they come,said he didn't care if any of those assigned to his unit on his multiple deployments were gay or straight...as long as they were brave.

The troops are a lot more accepting than the "Rite" want you to think.
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MrScorpio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 04:56 PM
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11. I forgot that you were Air Force too, Man
Things we learn while in uniform
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Stuart G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 06:47 PM
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14. Great Post...thanks for sharing this with us....nt..k and r
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