There never will be any change.

[Taverner]

Face it, we lost and we will continue to lose. It doesn't matter who we vote for, who we elect or what bills we pass. The Rupert Murdochs will still rule the world, and we will still obsess about pretty white girls.

This whole Murdoch scandal - it will blow over in a few weeks. Newscorp will wait until the media has found their new Scott Peterson or Casey Anthony, and Murdoch's Ginger Assasin will be pardoned and go back to her old job. Fox will continue to hack, and no one will care. The right people will just get paid off, and the Justice Department will go back to doing what they do best - arresting hippies for growing plants.

Obama tried - he really did. I don't blame him. But when you're playing chicken, it's not the good or smart guy who wins, it's the most psycho, most dangerous person who does. And that's why the GOP wins this one. They were willing to default. Hell, I think a bunch of them wanted us to default, that way they could get their Charles Dickens world they've wanted for so long. Obama made the mistake of caring, and going for the path of least pain. We all lose, but don't blame him.

And Obama will probably lose in 2012, Bachmann will be our President, and the media will gush about how 'statesmanlike' that sick deluded twat is.

And America will get worse and worse, until we reach complete joke status in the world, a bit like Argentina was under Peron. The GOP wanted our Social Security and they'll get it. They've wanted it for a while, and now they get it. They win.

Good guys do not, by the way, win. The bad guys do. Every time. The only thing that has ever saved us is our technology. Otherwise we'd be on a Prison Planet by now. Some say we already are.

No one will care because giving a shit is not sexy, it doesn't shift units.

And even on DU we will forget about all of this. We'll go back to making sure 'Ds' get elected, even if they are the antithesis of what we stand for.

Have a nice day.

[dhill926]

1. agree until.....

Obama losing. I think he'll win, but it will be unnecessarily close. And I don't think we'll become quite the joke like Argentina. We still have the nukes after all. But yep, a lot of shit sucks right now. Time to talk a walk in nature, spend time with friends, drink and act silly. Have some fucking fun, which is the best revenge.

Happy Friday!

[Taverner]

4. Nukes break down

Unfortunately, the people that run this country, and by that I mean really run it would rather every American dies of starvation than us lose one dollar of Defense money.

But eventually, an empire is too expensive to keep up. And it will break down.

[RKP5637]

2. There's a lot of truth in all you said. Caring and doing the right

thing for all of the people is obsolete. As one of my Chinese friends said, not until the US hits rock bottom will it possibly improve.

I hate to say it, but probably it would have been best for the US long term if we had had another major great depression after Bush. All we're doing now is treading water and some are drowning while the nation becomes wrapped in abysmal misery for many. And business as usual will continue, the same old shit over and over.

[Taverner]

9. What needs to happen is the US has to run out of so much cash, that we can't keep our empire afloat

Because the DOD and all of its overseas bases is the 1000 lb elephant in the room

[Speck Tater]

3. So sad. So true. nt

[Original_Redstone]

8. But what can we do?

Really?

Other than to start to do like wisconsin. the next few weeks should be interesting. to see if the democrats take the state back or not.

[Speck Tater]

21. "If only I knew," said sad little Sue.

So Sad. So True
But what can we do?
I haven't a clue,
let's paint the town blue.

[roody]

23. We can impact local issues.

[Hand_With_Eyes]

5. It might happen sooner than you think

Obama seems hellbent on ruining Democratic congresspeople's chances of reelection. 80% of the public are against what the GOP wants, but does Obama care? Apparently not.

Obama's most fervent supporters are now reduced to 'Obama hasn't signed that into a final bill yet'.

Obama is supposedly bending over backwards to do a deal with the GOP, but as time goes on it is apparent that he is actually bending over Frontwards for them.

[Taverner]

6. It's not really Obama's fault

He played chicken with psychopaths

It's not the smartest, most logical people who win the game of chicken

[Hand_With_Eyes]

10. This is why the GOP insisted that Obama be involved in negotiations

They know that involving him would degenerate into secret talks in which Obama gives up everything they want for a few token crumbs.

Our children s future is in the hands of the worlds worst negotiator, and the psychopaths.

[Dept of Beer]

11. Are you certain of that?

Perhaps he didn't want to do a "Kennedy", or perhaps he never planed to do what was beneficial anyway.

[RadiationTherapy]

7. We the People

who are NOT greedy? Not selfish? Not gluttonous? We the People who desire companions and camaraderie? We the People who wish to live with nature rather than subduing nature? THAT We? Yeah, that We is being crushed.

[Zorra]

16. This is a really good point. It is the point that validates revolution.

We are almost entirely forced into a system of, by, and for, the gluttonous.

Those of us that do not want or need much have our lives made perpetually more difficult by the insatiable needs of the greedy for more and more and more. Life in their system becomes more and more costly every day, in terms of our time, effort, energy, freedom, and health.

They will never be satisfied, and they can never possess enough, because they have a severe mental illness. They are completely unbalanced.

The more they take and hoard and own, the less we have. And the less we will continue to have, until we either stop buying into their game or they kill the planet.

The concept of living simply so that others may live is incomprehensible to them.

It is time to stop feeding the animals.

[RKP5637]

20. +1000 +++ n/t

[Jim Warren]

22. They are not animals.

Animals have more dignity than that.

They are hungry ghost.

[RadiationTherapy]

27. Yes. The top feeders are mentally ill. I have believed this for years.

They perceive themselves as predators, us as prey, and our blood is the wealth upon which they glut. It's the classic notion of the herd turning on the predator - they stand no chance.

Of course, I don't mean we are cattle, but more like we are grazers and omnivores. Now there's a belabored metaphor! hahaha.

[MineralMan]

12. There is always change. It's the only thing that always occurs.

Sometimes, the change is positive. Sometimes it's not. But change is a constant.

[reformist2]

13. We'll never get anywhere without CAMPAIGN FINANCE REFORM.

Every other issue has to take a back seat to this one. And I mean EVERY other issue. Until we have fair elections free from control by Big Money, we'll never get what we want. Any victory you get will be just a bone they happen to throw your way - and it will never, ever involve big money. DADT, anyone?

[TheKentuckian]

14. If that could be passed then so could all kinds of beneficial policy

because they'd rather toss a few bones than cut off their money supply and hamper the influence of their masters.

Of all the things we need passed this is what has the least chance.

[RKP5637]

15. That, is exactly a step that needs to happen. How will that happen. Not many

politicians are going to cut off the hand that feeds them, and in fact the political, corporate and lobbyist hands are becoming one in the same. And SCOTUS is perfectly fine with bribery, they just love it ...

I doubt anything is going to come about for campaign finance reform. IMO the only thing that will change the nation is when it falls into financial despair.

However, the way we seem to function today, it will become a police state to maintain the status quo for those holding what wealth is left.

[reformist2]

17. If it takes a collapse to get change, then let's be prepared to act if we get a collapse.

And if the Republicans get their way, we most assuredly will have a collapse bigger than the Great Depression.

But there might be a silver lining. In a way, one could say the Great Depression was a blessing in disguise. We would never have achieved half of the progressive legislative victories that most Americans now take for granted without it. So if we get another Repug-greed induced depression, we should be prepared to make the most of the once-in-a-lifetime chance for real reform.

[RKP5637]

19. Sadly this is well what it might take to wake up the nation. I had thought eight years of

Bush would have done it, but apparently not. Some good things come about because it's the right thing, but IMO most do not come about without tremendous upheaval and sacrifice. It seems that's the way with humans, and especially when money and greed are mixed.

[Initech]

18. There will never be a change as long as lust for profit rules all.

[n2doc]

24. I'd be happy with stasis over the change we have gotten

Frankly, the change seems to be more wars, less benefits, and fewer government services, and more $$$ for banksters. I could do without those changes.

[bvar22]

25. We CAN have "change".

When the Working Class & The Poor realize we have more in common with each other,
than we have in common with the Ruling Elite of BOTH Political Parties,
we can have "change".

Our neighbors in South & Central America have achieved nothing less than (near) bloodless revolutions over the last 10 years,
despite the complete ownership of their Media by the hard Right Wing.
They have given us the Blue Print,
but you won't find much about these astonishing Populist Reforms in the US Media.
These reforms are being demonized in our Media,
and by the politicians of both parties who wish ONLY to protect the Status Quo.

What is happening in Latin America gives me "hope".
It CAN happen here too.
They simply voted the bastards OUT.

"The worst enemy of humanity is U.S. capitalism. That is what provokes uprisings like our own, a rebellion against a system, against a neoliberal model, which is the representation of a savage capitalism. If the entire world doesn't acknowledge this reality, that nation states are not providing even minimally for health, education and nourishment, then each day the most fundamental human rights are being violated."
----Bolivian Reform President Evo Morales

FDR said much the same thing in 1944 with his Economic Bill of Rights,
and it is becoming increasingly CLEAR that the politicians of BOTH parties
"are not providing even minimally for health, education and nourishment" of the vast majority of the American People.

So, go ahead and CUT Social Security and Medicare,
and keep on shoveling money to the already RICH.
They will reap The Whirlwind.


There IS a solution.

VIVA Democracy!
I PRAY we get some here soon!

[pitohui]

26. may i suggest that it is non-useful to share despair

we've all had these thoughts of "what's the use" but it's just a feeling, it will pass

nothing you want to change will be changed by convincing others that "what's the use" is a logical place to stand