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neverforget (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 05:27 PM Original message |
The rumors were true |
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Poll_Blind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 05:28 PM Response to Original message |
1. Yep. Said it on national tv, no ifs ands or buts. |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 05:33 PM Response to Reply #1 |
13. And he said RECIPIENTS WOULD NOT BE IMPACTED. |
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Poll_Blind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 05:34 PM Original message |
No, he alleged that CURRENT recipients would not be impacted. |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 05:38 PM Response to Original message |
30. It is amazing how people will ignore that slight of hand. |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 10:06 PM Response to Reply #30 |
71. You are the one ignoring the FACT Obama never specified how those cuts would occur. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 12:09 PM Response to Reply #71 |
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Kurmudgeon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 01:13 PM Response to Reply #71 |
110. And ignore the fact that even THAT wasn't enough for the GOP. |
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Melinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 05:39 PM Original message |
Not an allegation, but an outright statement of fact. TY for setting |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 10:05 PM Response to Original message |
69. Did he say he was cutting actual benefits or waste? Hmmm? |
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PATRICK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 11:50 PM Response to Reply #69 |
82. This is not comforting |
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comtec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 12:05 PM Response to Reply #69 |
100. There is no wa in hell the gop will allow that |
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SOS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 02:08 PM Response to Reply #69 |
118. Part D was written by Big Pharma lawyers |
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sulphurdunn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 02:44 PM Response to Reply #69 |
121. Waste |
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BulletproofLandshark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 03:16 PM Response to Reply #69 |
123. That's it, just keep moving those goalposts back. n/t |
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Muskypundit (417 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 04:43 PM Response to Reply #123 |
125. Its funny.... |
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trud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 05:04 PM Response to Reply #69 |
128. the fact that we're trying to guess what he meant |
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SharonAnn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 11:13 PM Response to Original message |
77. So I'm OK, but my siblings and children are screwed? |
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sad sally (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 07:23 PM Response to Reply #13 |
59. Current recipients have been impacted - no COLA's for two years. |
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anarch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 10:21 PM Response to Reply #59 |
75. that's b/c the costs of those basic items never increase |
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daleanime (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 05:36 PM Response to Reply #75 |
132. Not for me.... |
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Samantha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 11:02 AM Response to Reply #13 |
90. What happened to people over 55 would not be impacted? |
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Dept of Beer (957 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 11:04 AM Response to Reply #13 |
91. Wraiths generally don't contain much substance. |
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caseymoz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 11:16 AM Response to Reply #13 |
96. Facts? How could they not be impacted? |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 05:34 PM Response to Reply #1 |
19. Hell, he's bragging about the sell out. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 05:39 PM Response to Reply #19 |
32. And we're supposed to construe this game of Elite Chicken as a win. |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 05:43 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. Well, we're only the wet pawns in this idiotic pissing contest. |
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Poll_Blind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 05:55 PM Response to Reply #33 |
39. +1 |
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Altoid_Cyclist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 11:22 AM Response to Reply #33 |
97. +1 That's about the best analogy that could be applied to this farce. |
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Poll_Blind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 05:55 PM Response to Reply #19 |
38. Yup. And he is well-aware of how cooked his goose is for "going there". |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 05:28 PM Response to Original message |
2. Yes, yes they were |
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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 05:29 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. Are you talking about corporate personhood here? |
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Ghost Dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 06:27 PM Response to Reply #2 |
52. You mean , the debt ceiling as such could be considered unconstitutional, |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 06:39 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. Yes |
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FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 05:29 PM Response to Original message |
3. YOU APOLOGIZE RIGHT NOW..... |
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Palmer Eldritch (369 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 05:32 PM Response to Reply #3 |
11. We're used to not getting apologies from people when Obama proves them wrong. |
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FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 05:34 PM Response to Reply #11 |
18. Obama never apologizes when he sells out. |
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Frisbee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 11:00 AM Response to Reply #18 |
89. In his defense... |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 05:34 PM Response to Reply #11 |
20. I know. When they were wrong about Gitmo, HRC, illegal wiretapping and the wars... |
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tridim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 05:29 PM Response to Original message |
4. NOT cuts to benefits. |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 05:30 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. LOL. |
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tridim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 05:31 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. So you didn't listen to what he said. |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 05:32 PM Response to Reply #4 |
12. Are you serious? It is impossible to remove 650 billion from a program's budget |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 05:35 PM Response to Reply #12 |
22. $650 billion over 10 years, which makes it less than 3% of the relevant budgets. |
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BlueCheese (897 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 05:36 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. The mythical waste, fraud, and abuse. |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 05:37 PM Response to Reply #22 |
29. Yes. As if they haven't been cutting back on waste, fraud, and abuse for decades. |
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CoffeeCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 11:50 PM Response to Reply #22 |
81. You're going to spin $650 billion in Soc Sec |
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Dept of Beer (957 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 11:05 AM Response to Reply #81 |
92. Appears that way. |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 11:06 AM Response to Reply #92 |
94. oh, and they are out in full force |
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Flubadubya (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 12:56 PM Response to Reply #94 |
106. or "full farce",,, |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 11:06 AM Response to Reply #81 |
93. yeah... it's kind of nuts actually |
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Hawkowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 05:05 PM Response to Reply #12 |
129. Burn the village to save it. |
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Palmer Eldritch (369 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 05:33 PM Response to Reply #4 |
15. That's the problem. They listen, but they don't hear. |
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piratefish08 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 06:24 PM Response to Reply #4 |
51. NOT! except for $650 billion. other than that, NOT! |
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PA Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 07:11 AM Response to Reply #4 |
87. I did go back and listen again. He said no cuts to CURRENT recipients. |
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Liberalynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 01:10 PM Response to Reply #87 |
108. and we all know how politicians like to play with vocabulary |
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anamandujano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 01:41 PM Response to Reply #108 |
112. Just working my way through the thread, finally posted and saw |
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LarryNM (130 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 02:30 PM Response to Reply #112 |
119. Exactly, Typical Distortion n/t |
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anamandujano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 01:33 PM Response to Reply #87 |
111. The qualifier "in an adverse way" makes one wonder |
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kelly1mm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 05:31 PM Response to Original message |
7. For some it won't be a 'real cut' unless Obama comes and takes the money out of Granny's wallet. nt |
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Palmer Eldritch (369 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 05:31 PM Response to Original message |
9. He just won and all you can talk about is what you speculated about. Wrongly as it turns out. |
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neverforget (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 05:33 PM Response to Reply #9 |
17. uh what? maybe you need to listen to what the President said |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 07:48 PM Response to Reply #17 |
62. AND social security has not added one dime to the debt.... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 10:07 PM Response to Reply #17 |
73. Deleted message |
neverforget (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 10:17 PM Response to Reply #73 |
74. I'm a "kneejerk hater" because I don't agree with the President. |
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neverforget (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 10:32 PM Response to Reply #73 |
76. One other thing, I'm a Democrat and the President is a Democrat. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 05:34 PM Response to Reply #9 |
21. Nope. The poster points out correctly what he put on the table. n/t |
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kelly1mm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 05:35 PM Response to Reply #9 |
23. Won what? Has the debt limit been raised? What exactly has he won today? |
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chill_wind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 05:56 PM Response to Reply #23 |
40. Good question. We do this once a week |
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russspeakeasy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 11:54 AM Response to Reply #40 |
99. He pouted loudly. |
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Leontius (380 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 06:14 PM Response to Reply #23 |
48. Another day of praise by his loyal worshipers. |
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Marr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 05:37 PM Response to Reply #9 |
26. Are you trying to use a Jedi mind trick or something? |
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anamandujano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 01:48 PM Response to Reply #26 |
114. He's a shallow platitudinizer. |
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tavalon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 11:15 AM Response to Reply #9 |
95. So, you suppose he wasn't interested in a second term.? |
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mother earth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 05:32 PM Response to Original message |
10. Let them eat cake? |
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Broderick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 05:33 PM Response to Original message |
14. WHY THE FRICK |
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gateley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 05:33 PM Response to Original message |
16. We don't know what areas. Somebody suggested fraud? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 05:36 PM Response to Reply #16 |
24. Yes, we do know "what areas" because we've gotten reliable reports |
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gateley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 05:39 PM Response to Reply #24 |
31. I heard Nancy Pelosi say there would be no cuts to recipients -- |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 05:44 PM Response to Reply #31 |
35. Folks who keep claiming we don't know anything |
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gateley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 06:32 PM Response to Reply #35 |
53. But as we learned today, there isn't a deal. We went off on all |
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Hydra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 07:29 PM Response to Reply #53 |
60. I'm going to say this as politely as I can |
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gateley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 08:48 PM Response to Reply #60 |
63. That's okay, I understand my position is unfathomable to some. |
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Hydra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 09:03 PM Response to Reply #63 |
65. Who's convincing you? |
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gateley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 09:56 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. Nobody convinces me of anything. I make up my own mind. |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 12:42 PM Response to Reply #66 |
104. Almost everything we do is because we were told/convinced to do it. |
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julian09 (418 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 01:49 PM Response to Reply #60 |
115. The Bush tax extension was the result of |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 05:37 PM Response to Original message |
27. Gang of 6 outline called for 500 billion and they offered 650 billion ... |
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neverforget (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 05:48 PM Response to Reply #27 |
37. just screwing future beneficiaries which is cool with some |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 06:01 PM Response to Reply #37 |
42. Unfortunately that is the attitude of some people :( n/t |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 05:37 PM Response to Original message |
28. Just like when he they the unemployed hostage over the Bush tax breaks for the |
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Marr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 05:44 PM Response to Original message |
34. Brilliant rope-a-dope! |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 05:48 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. A Glorious Victory! The people should be grateful for being offered up as pawns in the game. |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 06:14 PM Response to Reply #36 |
49. +1 |
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Poll_Blind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 11:17 PM Response to Reply #36 |
79. +1 |
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BlueCheese (897 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 05:56 PM Response to Reply #34 |
41. Combined with the utter triumph... |
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neverforget (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 06:22 PM Response to Reply #41 |
50. I was saying back then something like this was going to happen |
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Blue_In_AK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 11:59 PM Response to Reply #34 |
83. Yes. n/t |
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Rosco T. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 06:02 PM Response to Original message |
43. IT also means he KNEW that they wouldn't take it... |
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Hissyspit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 06:05 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. So we're going to get... what? |
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MouseFitzgerald (208 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 06:05 PM Response to Original message |
45. I have a question |
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Poll_Blind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 06:07 PM Response to Original message |
46. K&R! |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 06:12 PM Response to Original message |
47. He knew the reps would not accept anything he proposed. Nothing less than |
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Angry Dragon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 07:13 PM Response to Original message |
55. I say televise these negotiations |
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neverforget (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 07:15 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. We most certainly do |
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Major Hogwash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 07:18 PM Response to Reply #55 |
57. Why? You've already got the WWF and cage matches on teevee and that should satisify our |
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neverforget (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 07:22 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. Oh come on! It'd be fun to watch the Orange run off that man's face |
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Major Hogwash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 07:31 PM Response to Reply #58 |
61. If they would agree to have girls walk through every 10 minutes or so, wearing those slingshot |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 10:06 PM Response to Reply #57 |
70. I want to see them throw furniture, and have duels with pistols. |
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apples and oranges (772 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 08:50 PM Response to Original message |
64. The cuts were going to be on the provider side |
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Change has come (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 12:31 AM Response to Reply #64 |
84. What sense does that make? |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 10:00 PM Response to Original message |
67. Let's all wait for the apologies from those who called us emo babies for saying the truth. |
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Nay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 01:08 PM Response to Reply #67 |
107. Indeed, Jake. I get so sick of this same shit playing out time after time, and |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 10:02 PM Response to Original message |
68. It's all voo doo. |
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FreakinDJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 10:06 PM Response to Original message |
72. The Results are TRUE |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 11:16 PM Response to Reply #72 |
78. There is no result yet. |
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MessiahRp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 12:45 PM Response to Reply #72 |
105. Obama offering to cave in at every turn has done nothing to turn the tide against Republicans. |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 11:19 PM Response to Original message |
80. They certainly were. |
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slay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 02:39 AM Response to Original message |
85. And some people - I could easily tell you who - will continue to defend him |
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libmom74 (577 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 12:31 PM Response to Reply #85 |
102. +1 |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 07:05 AM Response to Original message |
86. 'Fire in the belly' for afflicting the working class..... |
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eilen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 09:06 AM Response to Original message |
88. So basically the insanely selfish saved us from the stupidly reckless. For Now. nt |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 11:47 AM Response to Original message |
98. Kick. nt |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 12:42 PM Response to Original message |
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South End Liberal (57 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 01:11 PM Response to Original message |
109. Social Security is on the table - because of theft! |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 01:46 PM Response to Original message |
113. Yes they were. I am sorry to say that I NEVER believe anything that this President says. |
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Fire Walk With Me (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 01:51 PM Response to Original message |
116. I depend upon my social security disability. I will not look easily upon any cuts whatsoever. |
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Motown_Johnny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 02:08 PM Response to Original message |
117. Misrepresenting cuts to costs as a cut to benefits isn't helpful. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 02:37 PM Response to Reply #117 |
120. Bullsh!t. Every single proposal has included cuts to benefits. |
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neverforget (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 05:25 PM Response to Reply #120 |
131. Obviously not |
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Middle finga (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 02:48 PM Response to Original message |
122. I no longer trust Obama nor the repubs |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 04:25 PM Response to Original message |
124. Remember when Dem presidents used to push policies that helped the country? |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 04:44 PM Response to Original message |
126. Obama has fire in the belly in favor of huge cuts to Social Security and Medicare/ |
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neverforget (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 05:03 PM Response to Reply #126 |
127. I agree. It's good to see him use the bully pulpit but he's using it for the |
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Canuckistanian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 05:21 PM Response to Original message |
130. Even if SS is cut to the marrow, how will this affect the debt? |
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