Stop it with the 14th Amendment stuff. The President said he would go with McConnel's plan, NOT...

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..invoke the 14th Amendment.

Ok?

PB

[Rosco T.]

1. tha'ts assuming the Tea Party will let it thru...

14th Amendment is plan B...

OK?

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2. So what happens when the Supreme Court rules it un-Constitutional?

Is there a plan B2 in that exigency?

PB

[lumberjack_jeff]

4. I'm pretty sure that Scalia's corporate benefactors won't let that happen. n/t

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5. That may be, LJ. I can't dispute that possibility.

PB

[Rosco T.]

7. Bring Roberts, Alito and Thomas up on charges of treason?

.. and replace them?

Would take months for it to get thru to them. And Wall Street would tell them to shaduup and let it be.

[EC]

13. As far as can be found, there is no one with standing to

legally bring a case to the court against the President...no one has standing to bring the suit, so how would it even get before the Supreme Court for them to rule on it?

[CaptRandom]

3. yes SIR!

I will refrain from that thought SIR!

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6. The President didn't say he would use the 14th, he said he would run with McConnel's plan.

Period.

PB

[Rosco T.]

8. And again.... you assume the Tea Baggers would let it thru....

which I seriously doubt.

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10. I'm not posting about what the crazy fucker Teabaggers will or will not do.

I'm talking about what the President said he would do, which was potentially use McConnell's plan. But in no way, shape or form did he indicate directly or indirectly anything involving the 14th Amendment. You are pretending this thread is about what the Teabaggers want or "will allow". This is not that thread. This is about what the President said he would do.

PB

[Rosco T.]

14. Then you better have a reality check....

The Pres can SAY he will go with the McConnell/Reid plan...

The Teabaggers won't let it thru. All it takes is one moran to put his hold on it and it will never make it to his desk.

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18. Man, I could give less of a shit about your deference to the will of the Teabaggers.

I don't give a shit about those crazy fucks.

PB

[Rosco T.]

21. Good Gawd Man....

.. use some reality. Sure he may want to go with the Mc/R plan.. but he has to get it on his desk first...

[CaptRandom]

16. yeah, but doesn't the prez need to sign something from congress in order to -do- it?

I donno, my civics are rusty...

[Rosco T.]

17. Cap't.. you got it in one. n/m

[CaptRandom]

12. *whew*

I hope the 14A'ers read that... I guess they didn't get the memo that the House <with their bug-nut crazy Tea party people> would jauntily pass the Mcconnel plan in a timely fashion...

Some people just need to stop being so pessimistic!

:hug:

[tokenlib]

9. But if Congress fails--wouldn't it be better for Obama to take bold action???

[freshwest]

11. "If this were a dictatorship, it would be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator,"

Said the Shrub, but I do believe this POTUS isn't expecting that any time soon. No more rabbits in that hat.

[tokenlib]

20. If the worst predictions of default impact are true--then I'd rather have Obama act.

Though that is not to say that the "W" quote doesn't still make me queasy...

[Rosco T.]

22. It has zero to do with a 'dictatorship'...

it's following the constitution... the Debt Limit wasn't brought in to being till 1917

[freshwest]

28. FDR took unprecedented actions after the USA essentially went broke. It might happen.

I want this to not happen. But the conspiracy theorists who fueled the Tea Party want it to happen - a default that would cause such chaos that their masters would make a killing. Their godfathers are the same who brought about the Great Depression and Obama has been like the boy with the finger in the dike trying to stem the flood of corruption and theft. This isn't the same country FDR had. We have much less resources, ability to manufacture and feed ourselves, less public spirit and no range of progressive social movements as he had to back him up at the time. Obama has none of that. And they're blackmailing him and us.

[Schema Thing]

15. maybe. A smart person wouldn't even give a hint that that is what they might do

and Obama is a very smart person.

[Rosco T.]

19. You mean just like "Obama was gonna give away the big three"

sure he may have offered, but it had the poison pill of "REVENUE"..

he knew they would walk.

[elocs]

23. Obama won't/can't do it and said so today:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4931348

President Obama said today that Congress has to avoid a government default by raising the $14.3 trillion debt ceiling because his lawyers say he lacks the authority to do so on his own.

Responding to a questioner at the University of Maryland, Obama struck the "14th amendment theory" -- that the Constitution gives the president the authority to make sure the nation's debts are paid, including an increase in the debt ceiling.

"There's a provision in our Constitution that speaks to making sure that the United States meets its obligations, and there have been some suggestions that a president could use that language to basically ignore this debt ceiling rule, which is a statutory rule; it's not a constitutional rule," Obama said.

He said, "I have talked to my lawyers ... They're not persuaded that that is a winning argument."

[Rosco T.]

24. He said he wasn't persuaded....

.. yet.

[elocs]

26. If he were to be persuaded or thought he might, why would he tip his hand now?

:shrug: That would be stupid.

[demodonkey]

25. He's talked to his lawyers??

Obama's a lawyer and a Constitutional scholar. What does HE think?

[DainBramaged]

27. Uh I think the gloves are off, finally.