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dynasaw Donating Member (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 05:35 PM
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It's called SUBLIMINAL ABUSE
. . . and yes sure it's used all the time in advertising, politics (photos of presidents shot from a low angel, lighted from behind to give a halo effect) product promotion, selling sex etc.

Brains do register images but below the threshold of consciousness. The registered images are inadequate to produce conscious awareness but able to evoke a response. Ergo, subliminal propaganda. Sarah/or her handlers knew exactly what they were doing--plant the idea, get some other unbalanced sucker to do the dirty job.

The most famous instance of this was first seen in The Manchurian Candidate.

Posted this as a response elsewhere but wanted to make sure this got noted and not lost at the bottom of other threads.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 05:36 PM
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1. Been used since WWI
Back then it was the Hun. Tomorrow, it might be you.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 05:38 PM
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2. Meh - subliminal messages are less effective than straightforward messages
And we live in a culture which we have so much media saturation into our lives, that little subliminal messages make no difference what so ever.

HOWEVER, the killer (I assume we're talking about Tuscon) got a lot of influence from DIRECT messages. O'Reilly, Beck, Hitler (favorite book)

We need to take the hate away - do that and the violence goes with it
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 07:26 PM
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5. subliminal
are very effective,I have experimented with them myself and was surprised how effective they are.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 08:37 PM
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8. Evidence would suggest otherwise
They've done double blind tests that show that subliminal is slightly less effective than direct messaging
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 05:53 PM
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3. well it's not really subliminal, at least not in the traditional sense
subliminal messaging usually refers to images and such that are so subtle and/or fleeting that you're not consciously aware of it.
the single frame in a movie is the classic example, "rats" flash in a rovian ad was a good example of this.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0009/12/ip.00.html


in the case at hand, we're not talking about things that are below the radar of consciousness, we're talking about things that are quite open but just below the level at which the m$m is willing to deem unacceptable, at least when the speaker is on the right and the victim is on the left.
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 07:24 PM
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4. Once you see it
You can't unsee it.Yes subliminal abuse has been happening for ages. It was Bernays Freud's brother that made it a more refined psychological form of abuse used by business to push product.

A middle ages subliminal
http://photos.newsok.com/2/showimage/912545/medium
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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 07:30 PM
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6. Freud's nephew, Bernays, invented modern P.R.
Edited on Sun Jan-09-11 07:31 PM by Manifestor_of_Light
Using Uncle Sigmund's theories about what motivated people, for advertising: Fear of being unpopular, men wanting to associate with sexy women, fear of death, wish to be snobby and elitist etc.

There is a BBC series about this subject that you can see on Youtube.
It's called THE CENTURY OF THE SELF. Fascinating.

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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 07:36 PM
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7. I don't know what it's called, but I refer to it as a group-think values shift.
If the message is played over and over, especially throu a variety of sources, then people start accepting the idea that they are entitled to use violence to get what they want because they are told it's what everyone else wants, too. Some of these speakers are so sure that they are in the majority, that even when they lose via the ballot, they think they should prevail as the majority, even if it means using extreme violence. People hear it enough, they start accepting it as a norm because they want to accept that they have this kind of control.

Because of this, I think this sort of language needs to be eliminated, or at least call the speakers out to explain whether ey are using metaphor or advocating violence. I'm tired of the threats by the tea party to overthrow our government.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 08:50 PM
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9. Yup. the Media is all about manufacturing reality for the masses.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 03:02 AM
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10. And let's not forget that Giffords' shooter has
Edited on Mon Jan-10-11 03:03 AM by truedelphi
Spent a lot of time fighting America's wars. We encourage, through our legislators, the continual, non-ending, un-winnable wars, that serve little other purpose than to make the Defense Contractors' rich, the citizenry paranoid, and the men and women who survive the battlefield emotionally unbalanced for much of the rest of their lives.

The actions and words of our elected officials, that it is always better to drop bombs on people, just in case there might be weapons of mass destruction sitting somewhere in their country, helps teach people that the solution for everything is shooting and killing.

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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 03:25 AM
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11. K&R
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 03:28 AM
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12. Psychological Warfare.
The propaganda, the hate speech rhetoric, the imagery and constant brandishing of guns with threatening messages attached. It's all psychological warfare.
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 09:03 PM
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16. Thank you for these comments
Sorry it's too late to rec, heres a :kick: out of the memory hole, though.
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 10:17 PM
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17. Kicking again
For anyone who thinks there needs to be a direct evidence.

There might be direct evidence in his hard drive. But without that or a confession admitting to being influenced by Palin et al, the subliminal (and sometimes blatant) messaging of incitement is what we're talking about.
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