Bill Clinton: I Would Invoke The 14th Amendment To Raise The Debt Ceiling ‘Without Hesitation’

[man4allcats]

Maybe Obama should listen to The Big Dog:

Click here to get Bad Bill's take on it.

[ClarkUSA]

1. Oh please... lots of people, including me, were saying it before DINO Bill ever said anything.

DINO Bill is so clueless that he actually said that a brief debt default would not be calamatous:
http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=bill+clinton+debt+ceiling+not+calamatous&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

[man4allcats]

3. What's the difference who says it?

DINO Bill, DINO Barack or even you. If it works, it works.

[ClarkUSA]

9. Because the OP is presuming that Pres. Obama has never thought of this himself.

You're right, of course.

[man4allcats]

13. I made no such assumption (or presumption), and

if you believe you can read my or anyone's thoughts, you may want to seek professional help.

[ClarkUSA]

20. Of course you did. Your OP is posited on your wanting Pres. Obama to listen to Bubba.

That requires a presumption that Pres. Obama hasn't thought of it himself.

[man4allcats]

24. I merely suggested that it may be of benefit for him to do so.

That in no way implies that I wish; i.e. want, him to do so. I would add that there is no presumption that President Obama hadn't thought of it himself. He may well have. It is, however, plausible that he might benefit from listening to the opinion of another, especially when that other is someone who has held the same job President Obama now holds. Your reasoning ability seems questionable. Given that you also seem to harbor some delusion about reading people's thoughts, I really think you should seriously consider that professional help.

[DURHAM D]

4. You are too funny.

:rofl:

[William769]

8. Thats not the verb I would use.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

10. Sixth.

[dsc]

15. I am totally sure you didn't purposely mislead all of DU by leaving this out

"We regret if there has been a misinterpretation of a comment President Clinton made about raising the debt limit. President Clinton did not in any way mean to suggest that a default would not be highly damaging for the economy even for a very short period of time. He inadvertently misspoke. What he meant to say was that if a vote to extend the debt limit failed in advance of a default, that might not be harmful for a couple of days, but that if people thought that we might actually default, that in his words 'we were literally not going to pay our bills anymore, then they would stop buying our debt.'"]

It was right at your very own link.

[ClarkUSA]

18. That's the CYA backpeddling by his spokesperson after Bubba's shit hit the public's fan.

Say, aren't you happy President Obama has certified the repeal of DADT? Guess he's not a homophobe, after all. :sarcasm:

I'm surprised we haven't heard from Bubba on this to make an apology for ever having signed DADT in the first place. Oh well, maybe he can do a twofer when President Obama repeals DOMA. :D

[dsc]

21. Yes I am

and I have been out of town for the week or would have commented sooner. If you disbelieve me you can search my name and find pretty much no posts.

[DURHAM D]

23. I get so damn tired of the ignorant crap about DADT and Clinton.

Guess you preferred Senator Sam Nunn and Senator David Boren's (both Democrats) plan they cooked up with Colin Powell and were trying to flank Clinton with even before he arrived at the WH. Clinton's position in the general election was that he wanted gays to serve openly in the military. The Democratic establishment went crazy. They plotted against that policy. They tried to out-flank him with a complete prohibition on service. DADTDPDH was the best Clinton could get and far better than what the Dems wanted and what was then current policy.

Go read the wiki entry and educate yourself. Then shut up about DADT because you don't know a damn thing about it. You have used this tripe over and over again because you actually think you can make Obama look good by making Clinton look bad.

Those of us who were around and in the movement and paying attention back then know that at best you are flat out dishonest.

[tblue]

25. Thank you! Before Clinton, gays could not serve at all and people's sex lives were scritinized

and some were blackmailed. I remember how DADT went down. Within the first month of his presidency, Clinton tried to overturn the total ban, but he caught such tremendous flak from rightwingers and the military for even bringing it up. And then Powell and the others devised this compromise and Clinton took it because it was better than nothing and the best he could do at the time. President Clinton deserves kudos for having the balls to take this on and find a wnontoxic stop the witch hunts and the total prohibition.

I remember how the whole thing went down and I will defend Clinton on this every time.

[DURHAM D]

26. During the last presidential primary the Obama camp

found it necessary to change the facts around DADT in order to paint Hillary with an anti-gay brush. It has worked and I would guess that a majority of gay folk under 40 are misinformed on this matter. I suppose it will be another 10 years, after Obama is out of office, before the facts can begin to sort themselves out and the lies exposed.

As for straight people, such as the poster I responded to, they just use DADT to try and bully us gay folks into "liking" Obama. I am tired of being bullied by a hand full of these mouthy straight people with their own agenda and one that has absolutely nothing to do with my human rights.

[spanone]

17. i''m sure bill got it from you

[ClarkUSA]

19. He's not my type.

[wakemewhenitsover]

2. Clinton sums it up, short and sweet...

From the article:

Lifting the debt ceiling “is necessary to pay for appropriations already made,” he added, “so you can’t say, ‘Well, we won the last election and we didn’t vote for some of that stuff, so we’re going to throw the whole country’s credit into arrears.”

:kick:

[Demoiselle]

7. Makes sense to me!

[ecstatic]

5. Now that Boehner and the others have walked out, he may have

the ability and the mandate to do it. We'll see. But I can picture repubs trying to ruin his presidency with impeachment attempts. I would hate for us to have to go through that again.

[Motown_Johnny]

6. I think Bill sees the writing on the wall so he is now quoting it to be seen

as the author



He isn't




Nothing can pass The House, therefore the 14th amendment path is the only option.

[ClarkUSA]

11. I think you're right.

[gateley]

14. You're right -- nothing can pass The House. nt

[gateley]

12. "...which some scholars have interpreted..." Even the constitutional

experts seem unsure as to what would happen if Obama took this route. Maybe he's looking into it, putting out feelers?

What a fucking mess. I hate Republicans.

[elocs]

16. If the 14th were Obama's ace in the hole, why should he tip his hand now?

That would not be smart. After all, he said today: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4931348

"There's a provision in our Constitution that speaks to making sure that the United States meets its obligations, and there have been some suggestions that a president could use that language to basically ignore this debt ceiling rule, which is a statutory rule; it's not a constitutional rule," Obama said.

He said, "I have talked to my lawyers ... They're not persuaded that that is a winning argument."

[Modern_Matthew]

22. There comes a time when you have to bypass broken traditions and do what is right...

regardless of the kicking and screaming.