Norway shooter hated multiculturalism, immigration and "internationalism". What to do?

[pampango]

And he blamed Norway's liberal party for them. Of course multiculturalism and immigration meant Muslims to him.

It's hard to know what "internationalism" meant to him other than he considers himself to be a "nationalist".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14260743

Media reports say the arrested man expressed sympathies for the Progress Party (FrP), Norway's most right-wing mainstream political party. For many years, the FrP has been steadily growing in popularity at the expense of the left-leaning Labour Party and the more moderate Conservative Party, although it is yet to win an election.

There are also citizens' websites like Document.no, where Anders Behring Breivik left racist, extremist right-wing comments along with fellow anti-Muslims, and there were attempts to start up Norwegian satellite groups in support of the English Defence League.

These all represent, with varying degrees of extremism, a section of the Norwegian population which feels that the country's immigration policies are too lax. They feel disenfranchised despite Norway's attempts at distributing fairly its immense oil wealth. Norway might now be forced to deal head-on with this undercurrent of nationalism and anti-immigration sentiments.

There is some relief that however tragic, the attacks were apparently not the work of international terrorists. That at least gives less ammunition to those who are trying to stoke up anti-Muslim feelings.

Norway's openness and lack of security is in large part a result of it having such a small, homogenous population. It seems paradoxical that an extremist who appears to have fanatically wanted to protect Norway from intruders and the "dangers" of multiculturalism would himself do such damage to the nation.

http://www.expressen.se/nyheter/1.2507598/anders-behring-breivik-32-misstanks-for-attackerna-i-norge

"Anders Behring Breivik has been active in various right-wing forum in Norway and he has among other things, wrote that the fight is between nationalism and internationalism. According to VG, he calls himself a nationalist. He has also written a number of Islam-critical posts. According to a childhood friend who talked with Distinction, he was right wing in the upper 20s."

The right wing "populist" parties have had some success in Europe since the economic crisis started with their anti-multiculturalism "we want our country back" (largely targeting Muslim immigration rather than Hispanic as the tea party does here) themes.

Should the European left battle this success by pulling back their support for immigration and multiculturalism or by presenting a stark political contrast with the anti-"internationalism" policies of the "populist" right.

[Old and In the Way]

1. I'd say he was an anti-socialist in the truest sense.

He was a homicidal maniac.

[Brickbat]

2. What to do? Fuck him.

How does "pulling back support" "battle" anything?

[pampango]

15. You're right. "Pulling back support" would be more a "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em" tactic or a

"broken clock" analogy rather than a "battle them" strategy.

I think you'll find that at least in the US some progressives would argue that Europe's immigration laws are too liberal; that multiculturalism has failed; that national sovereignty, borders, tariffs (nationalism) need to be strengthened; that "internationalism" has gone too far.

I agree with your "fuck him" strategy which would be for the left to continue to present a strong support for immigration, multiculturalism and "internationalism" and let the far right have their nationalism. Let them wave the flag and worry about all the "others" out there. We'll spend out our efforts figuring out how to live with each other and to deal with the world's problems which are global in nature and require global solutions.

[TheBigotBasher]

3. " Norwegian satellite groups in support of the English Defence League"

Pamela Geller's tainted money again.

[piratefish08]

4. sounds frighteningly familiar to some right here in the US....

except that it's not possible for white christians in the US to be terrorists, right?

[HysteryDiagnosis]

7. You must have seen that little thing in Tyler Texas eh?

Nope, could never happen here, all the terrorists are belong to Bin Laden.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyler_poison_gas_plot

The Tyler poison gas plot was an American attempt at domestic terrorism thwarted in April 2003 with the arrest of three individuals in Tyler, Texas and the seizure of a cyanide gas bomb along with a large arsenal that included at least 100 other conventional bombs, machine guns, an assault rifle, an unregistered silencer, and 500,000 rounds of ammunition.<1><2> The chemical stockpile seized included sodium cyanide, hydrochloric acid, nitric acid and acetic acid.<1>

The three individuals were linked to white supremacist and anti-government groups. They were:<1>

William J. Krar, originally from New Hampshire
Judith Bruey, Krar's common-law wife
Edward Feltus of Old Bridge, New Jersey

Feltus was a member of the New Jersey Militia. Krar was suspected of making his living travelling across the country selling bomb components and other weapons to violent underground anti-government groups.<1> Federal authorities had their eye on Krar since at least 1995 when ATF agents investigated a possible plot to bomb government buildings, but Krar was not charged.<2> Since the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks their attention was focused on middle-eastern terrorist activities and were only alerted to Krar's recent activities by accident when he mailed Feltus a package of counterfeit birth certificates from North Dakota, Vermont and West Virginia, and United Nations Multinational Force and Defence Intelligence Agency IDs.<2> The package was mistakenly delivered to a Staten Island man who alerted police.<1>

[dissidentboomer]

5. very sad. Norway may indeed need to reform immigration policy but

some NUTS have made what should be a civil, reasoned debate into a crusade, garnished with the blood of the innocent. Yep, sad, indeed.

[malaise]

6. The biggest nut was George Bush

He used the word crusade from day one

[dissidentboomer]

8. It's a favorite of terrorists everywhere - from the burning hells of the middle east to

the shopping mall churches of Dallas and LA. They're all on a fuckin' "crusade".

[malaise]

11. They also killed members of the government

Right wing terrorists need to be locked up

[Warren Stupidity]

10. terrorist. Nuts grow on trees. 95% of the population is 'native'.

Other than that you make some fine points.

[C_U_L8R]

9. There are Freepers in Norway?

guess the unfortunate pestilence is spreading

[marmar]

12. If any good will come out of this, perhaps it's increased attention and outrage.....

....... about these ultranationalist extremist groups.

[muriel_volestrangler]

13. He supported the 'Gates of Vienna' blog - joint European, but virulently anti-Muslim

Here is another claim he makes:

I’m NOK much later in the game than him when I have only been politically active for 13 years. I førstegenerasjonsdhimmi (Generation Y). I was active Oslo FrP / FpU in the first 6-7 years (in the cultural conservatives + laissez faire capitalist / liberal camp) and contributed to the Progress Party’s success before I stopped. I felt the time was more important to help develop / promote the political doctrines abroad especially British, German, French, American). I ran the business a few years while I studied and earned a few million so I could finance a inntektsløs politically active life. I now use these funds to be able to work full time to further develop / promote the Vienna school of thought that Fjordman, Bat Yeor, Spencer + many others have already contributed so much till. The last three years I worked full time with a cultural conservative works that will help to further develop / promote these political doctrines further. Anyway, I consider the future consolidation of the cultural conservative forces on all seven fronts as the most important in Norway and in all Western European countries. It is essential that we work to ensure that all these 7 fronts using the Vienna school of thought, or at least parts of the grunlag for 20-70 year-struggle that lies in front of us.

http://hurryupharry.org/2011/07/23/online-profile-of-anders-behring-breivik-progress-party-youth-activist-turned-extreme/

A few people even suggested he was the infamous Fjordman, but that does seem to have been disproved (Fjordman is still posting, for example).

[freeplessinseattle]

14. K&R n/t