This is what it takes to raise the debt ceiling:

[Stinky The Clown]

This is the entire bill from one past increase.



That's it. One page with a BIG font and LOTS of white space. Conflating this with the rest of this hair-on-fire teabagging bullshit is just that. Bullshit.

Do revenues and spending need some attention? Maybe, maybe not. But one thing is for sure. IT IS A SEPARATE FUCKING ISSUE. By allowing them to be debated together we find ourselves unable to do ANYTHING.

It didn't have to be this way.

We saw yesterday the power of the bully pulpit. It should have been used that way starting on January 20, 2009.

That's how Ronald Reagan would have done it. (<---sarcasm)

[lonestarnot]

1. Maintaing "reasonable man" status.

[Gregorian]

2. As shocking as that is, I cannot get over how George Bush is not mentioned in any of this.

George Bush bankrupted this country.

Why is it we cannot point that out without being demonized.

George Bush was a Republican who invaded on lies. A million people died. And America was bankrupted due to HIS policies.


I am probably wasting my breath. Everyone knows it. But if Obama is being used as the central figure, then there's something serriously wrong with a society that doesn't want to see the truth.



Edit- and yes, I've just woken up. And only just finished one espresso, and my head hurts. :(

[Stinky The Clown]

3. That's because there's no room in the "debate" for that sort of looking back.

There has never been any stomach among any of the current Dem leadership to "look back."

Also, as usual for the spineless Democrats, they allow the repubicans - in this case, the teabaggers - to control the debate. All our side ever does is respond.

It makes us look weak.

[Gregorian]

4. Looking back doesn't help much in cases like war and debt.

I am sick of not hearing the truth. The reason we even need to look back is that we weren't looking at the truth at the moment we were making decisions.

I've always seen this as a control system. Without a feedback loop (the media, or an aware citizenship), the system is out of control.

There's nothing I can say that eveyrone on this forum doesn't already know. It's a great forum. I just wish Americans had more of what we have here.

Here's what our problem is. Aside from a lacking media, people don't have the time to learn. They work every day. They come home. They entertain themselves for an hour or two. They have children. They go to work.

I think us on this forum are here because we have the luxury of time.

So... What a mess.