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certainot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 01:26 PM
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Don't blame Obama before you blame the local talk radio station.
Default is not a problem. It is an opportunity to save us from liberalism.

That's what team Limbaugh/Hannity has been saying for months from your local right wing talk radio station. That's where the same people who screamed 2+2=3 in the town halls learned about health care. That's where they learned half of America doesn't pay taxes. That's where they learned Obama was responsible for the deficit.

If the US defaults the government will continue to pay its debt so there's no problem there, they say. But, they say, Obama will be forced to cut what Limbaugh calls the bottom feeders and parasites. Teachers, union workers, government employees, welfare queens, etc., and finally get us back on the right path.

The internet was supposed to give us more democracy but talk radio has been kicking its ass. Americans cannot wait for high speed in every pickup. Climate change is here, default is around the corner.

The only reason talk radio has become the most powerful tool in media is that it is virtually invisible to the Left and the lies, distortions, swiftboating, and excuses it generates often aren't noticed until it's too late. Political analysts seldom factor it in. And evaluations of Obama's performance and whether he is a dupe or a coward are useless if they do not factor in the Right's most important weapon.

Obama does not have the bully pulpit except a short while before and after he's standing on it. Then those radio stations take over, coordinated with Fox and the rest of the right wing media machine. Forget framing and messaging by the Left until the radio is fixed.

The Republican 'backbone' to take the economy to the edge and over comes from those radio stations and the loudmouths and motormouths that scream their think tank-generated talking points, protected by call screeners and prompted by paid callers. That's where they create the alternate reality that allows them to declare 2+2=3 in town hall meetings, on TV, and on the floor of congress.

In times of national stress those radio stations will become more of a default source of news and politics in most of the country. Those signals are loud, clear, ubiquitous, continuous, and coordinated. Many are endorsed by university and professional sports teams. For many Americans there is little choice while driving or working. The GOP will have a good shot at spinning this whatever way they want, whatever the outcome, and the GOP politicians and media hacks will have little choice but to ride that bandwagon over the cliff.

It is a failure of the democracy's feedback mechanisms that we can't pass any major reforms or that we have to experience disaster instead of prevent it. The main culprit is talk radio and it all starts at those local radio stations.

Protests and picketing, shaming and boycotts of local sponsors of local right wing radio stations (the talkers themselves are virtually immune, national sponsors can be replaced), shaming of sports teams that help make the racism and climate change denial acceptable, and associating politicians and talking heads who repeat talk radio lies with the Limbaughs and Hannitys are a few ways to challenge talk radio (more here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1553692 ).

The planet can't wait for legislation to fix the radio problem, whether it's a good idea or not. Until Americans in general, the Democratic Party, and one or more of the Left's organizations addresses the problem and stops giving right wing talk radio a free speech free ride, real democracy is impossible. And much of the criticism of Obama is unfair.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 01:31 PM
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1. And worth noting that Obama said yesterday Republicans are afraid of what Talk Radio
Edited on Sat Jul-23-11 01:33 PM by emulatorloo
will say about them if they were to raise taxes. Pretty much held hostage by their extremist base, and the Rush Limbaugh. Afraid and/or Unable to solve problems, just politically posture.
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certainot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 01:41 PM
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3. Oh crap, i missed that bit! that's great- one of the best periods obama ever had in media
was when he told the republican senators he was with (i think it was about the stimulus bill) that they weremn't going to get anything done if they kept listening to limbaugh.

for a couple weeks after that it seemed all republican politicians and media hacks had RUSH tattooed on their foreheads.
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certainot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 02:39 PM
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14. obama mentioned talk radio TWICE- that should be significant - but will the left notice?
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libodem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 01:34 PM
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2. The AM stations are rife with such commentary
Much of it lies and distortions.
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libodem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 01:42 PM
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4. I fall asleep to Coast to Coast at night
Only to wake up to a fat, black toothed, green haired, troll, spouting off about 'libs'. The station imported two out of towners, right after Obama was elected, to hate all morning and afternoon.
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 01:44 PM
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5. No, he continually frames it in their terms. He claims SS contributes to the debt - IT DOES NOT!
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certainot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 03:05 PM
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16. okay, so that's one thing. dwarfed by the times i've seen 'progressives' parroting limbaugh
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saras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 01:50 PM
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6. So it's time to outlaw talk radio again - what's the big problem?
I suppose we're trapped in some sort of corner where it's contingent on the House Republicans and the psychorporate Supreme Court to fix that too.

Another stupid failure of privatization...

Personally I think the government just made a mistake and overstepped its legitimate authority when it GAVE UP control of the EM spectrum. It's even more fundamental than a utility, it's more like the public land in cities that we bury the utilities in or hang them above.
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pretzel4gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 01:50 PM
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7. they murdered Alan Berg....
back in reagan time, 1984, the nazipoohs killed Denver talk radio host Alan Berg, who set the standard for talk radio in USA in terms of pure info/entertainment. Notice, no one ever tried to lance the boil that is rightwing talkradio....then again, reagan shooter john hinckley was a bush family crony- his father was an oil man, i believe.
Never in history has a people been raped and robbed like the american people have been. It was as easy as stealing candy from a baby (the baby was depicted as non-white, hence the ease of the theft)
It's almost fun to watch if one is truly a lefty, as 1/3rd of americans are reactionarkies (and are paying dearly for being so durn stoopid) :toast:
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certainot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 03:09 PM
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17. and soon after, limbaugh was born. berg was being prepped for a national show,
and then was killed. the guys who did it had a short list their leader said he got in an email (when very few of us had computers).

he would have smothered limbaugh's growth.
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 01:59 PM
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8. Old post about role in California budget standoff
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/DBoon/11

A couple of KFI talkers are holding the state hostage
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certainot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 02:23 PM
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10. and it was instrumental getting cali into the mess it's in- selling the davis recall and
the anti tax referenda
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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 02:01 PM
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9. Obama's not even opposing the rw view point!
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certainot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 02:25 PM
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11. then is suspect we'd all be a lot worse off by now
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Laf.La.Dem. Donating Member (924 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 02:26 PM
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12. When debt ceiling is not raised - Obama will make the decision as to what gets paid.
If he decides to pay interest on debt first - RW will say - see he will pay China before he pays SS
If he decides to pay SS first - RW will say - see he does not care about our history of paying our obligations
If he decides to pay Medicare first - RW will say - see he does not care about our Military
If he decides to pay the Military - RW will say - see he does not care about the old.
Same with FBI, CIA, Park Rangers, etc. etc.
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certainot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 02:35 PM
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13. yep, good way to put it- and they have the media machine to lay that blame where they want it
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 02:45 PM
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15. Hate Talk Is Dying...
Your assessment had more truth to it a decade ago than it does now. Radio is suffering a slow death and hate radio has been a major cause. It alienated many former listeners as music and personality were replaced by right wing venom. The format targets an older, predominately white male audience...one of the few groups left listening to AM. The internet and satellite are rapidly changing things as is a device known as a PPM or People Meter. The new way of monitoring and rating radio has revealed that talk radio isn't as popular as previously believed and this is leading stations to either dump the hate or cut it back. Each day less and less people are tuning into the venom of hate radio.

Hate radio still has a hypnotic affect on the rushpublican party...as many elected officials are afraid to cross the likes of a Rushbo or the local spewer, but that fight has been turning inward as the circus that's the rushpublican presidential sweepstakes is showing. A radio that still has a big affect and that flies under the radar is religious radio. This is where the "Obama is a muslim" mantra still lives along with every societal evil being blamed on "libruls". Again, these days much of the venom is reserved for whose the most pious or "true" conservative.

You are spot on about hate radio being a tool of the right wing propaganda machine...and still an important one. For those looking for an afirmation, hate radio gives the talking points where facts or balance have no place. The good news is technology is making AM radios obsolete.

Cheers...
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certainot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 03:18 PM
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18. i just don't think the planet can handle the wait.
i agree with some of what you say, but it still beats internet. internet, like other print and visual media, can't do the repetition necessary to create it's own reality. it can create big buzz with a lie or distortion. internet can create buzz with the truth but because the left ignores the radio the buzz gets going before anyone notices and the lies can become truth.

it is killing the GOP but it's taking over the cliff with it. this would not be possible without talk radio. and obama mentioned talk radio twice in yesterday's speech. for a reason.
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 03:51 PM
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19. A Caged Animal Is Always Dangerous
Yes...the rushpublicans are headed over a cliff and deservedly so. Its painful to watch and right now its creating many problems for this administration but I see the teabagger/hate radio movement headed for the cliff as well and it could happen right in the midst of next year's election campaign.

The problem with hate radio isn't its influence over the general populace...it didn't prevent President Obama from being elected and it may even help him next year as the teabagger "agenda" is no longer new and novel but exposed and a cancer upon the rushpublican party. Whomever wins their nomination next year will be a wounded candidate and lack the full support of the party and hate radio will be there to help further divide and possibly even encourage their sheeple to stay home.

The people most affected by the venom are and continue to be the politicians who will dance rushbo's dance, but I don't think that tune will play very well with voters next year. The "buyers remorse" of electing teabaggers in several key states will be the real story next year.

Cheers...
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certainot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 04:41 PM
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20. i like your take on it, i hope you're right
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Pooka Fey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 04:51 PM
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21. Brilliant post. K&R
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Tumbulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 11:32 PM
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22. I second that- Brilliant Post! (nt)
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