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Search and Destroy (47 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-24-11 12:24 AM Original message |
I keep hearing about how anders breivik isn't a "true" Christian |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-24-11 12:28 AM Response to Original message |
1. Here it is, in a nutshell: |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 09:29 AM Response to Reply #1 |
71. So there's no such thing as a "True Liberal"? LOL! So many DU'ers fling the words DINO around. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 06:36 PM Response to Reply #71 |
88. No, there isn't. |
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hifiguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 02:21 PM Response to Reply #88 |
129. +1 |
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mindwalker_i (836 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-24-11 12:30 AM Response to Original message |
2. Don't they always say that? |
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OHdem10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-24-11 12:31 AM Response to Original message |
3. People say anything to protect the Right.. To think a person |
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Ferret Annica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-24-11 12:35 AM Response to Original message |
4. Makes sense to me. Christians have a violent history and have destroyed many cultures... |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-24-11 03:20 AM Response to Reply #4 |
11. oh for fuck's sake. If you said anything similar about Islam here, you'd be jumped on for being a |
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Ferret Annica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-24-11 03:30 AM Response to Reply #11 |
14. I have nothing against anyone's religion.... |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-24-11 03:53 AM Response to Reply #14 |
19. Oh bullshit, you don't practice any fucking form of religious tolerance. |
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Ferret Annica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-24-11 04:19 AM Response to Reply #19 |
21. And your opinion is because...? |
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Mimosa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-24-11 04:49 AM Response to Reply #21 |
24. Who forced you to go to Catholic church? |
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mr blur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-24-11 06:37 AM Response to Reply #24 |
29. You mean DELUDED People often shape their religions to suit their needs. (nt) |
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Ferret Annica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-24-11 01:24 PM Response to Reply #29 |
35. Christianity, Islam, and Judaism were created by man to suit our species' needs |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-24-11 11:47 PM Response to Reply #35 |
42. So was Wicca. |
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Ferret Annica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 04:57 AM Response to Reply #42 |
55. And you feel this is something that is a revelation to me? |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 05:10 AM Response to Reply #55 |
58. It very well may be. |
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Ferret Annica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 05:38 AM Response to Reply #58 |
59. Indeed; believe what yoi want, discuss what you want, |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 05:41 AM Response to Reply #59 |
61. Nor am I threatened by your views or illogical remarks. |
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Ferret Annica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 06:04 AM Response to Reply #61 |
62. There is that little old ad hominem thing again... |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 11:56 AM Response to Reply #62 |
83. Your posts are sorely lacking. |
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Wait Wut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 09:07 AM Response to Reply #83 |
127. Excellent. |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 02:20 AM Response to Reply #35 |
102. "species"? Absolutely not. Particular human cultures out of thousands. nt |
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Ferret Annica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-24-11 01:22 PM Response to Reply #24 |
34. I distinctly remember rejecting Christian religion at a very early age. |
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SwampG8r (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 09:28 AM Response to Reply #34 |
70. all good except the cetaceans |
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Angry Dragon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 02:47 AM Response to Reply #70 |
104. I hope you were kidding about your last sentence |
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SwampG8r (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 06:37 PM Response to Reply #104 |
117. yes a common florida waterjoke |
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backscatter712 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-24-11 03:58 AM Response to Reply #14 |
20. My problem is with all religion... |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-24-11 05:15 AM Response to Reply #14 |
25. You do realize "Israel" is not a religion, right? |
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Ferret Annica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-24-11 01:36 PM Response to Reply #25 |
37. You do realize that not supporting Zionism is not anti-Semitism I hope. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-24-11 11:46 PM Response to Reply #37 |
41. Deleted message |
Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 11:44 AM Response to Reply #37 |
80. Irrelevant nonsense. And doesn't answer the question. |
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Wait Wut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 06:53 PM Response to Reply #14 |
124. As a former Wiccan... |
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WolverineDG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-24-11 09:08 AM Response to Reply #11 |
33. thank you nt |
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cherokeeprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-24-11 03:26 AM Response to Reply #4 |
13. Don't be offended if I ask you to name which "cultures" have been destroyed. |
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Ferret Annica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-24-11 03:47 AM Original message |
The Spanish had what is called 'the requirement' |
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Ferret Annica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-24-11 03:47 AM Response to Reply #13 |
16. double |
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Ferret Annica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-24-11 03:47 AM Original message |
double |
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Ferret Annica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-24-11 03:47 AM Response to Reply #13 |
17. double |
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FourScore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-24-11 12:40 AM Response to Original message |
5. The bigger question is this: |
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sakabatou (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-24-11 12:47 AM Response to Original message |
6. They're just using the "No True Scotsman" fallacy. |
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Blue_Tires (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 11:03 AM Response to Reply #6 |
77. +1000 |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-24-11 12:54 AM Response to Original message |
7. Well, if to be a "true" Xtian one must follow the rules, he pretty much screwed the pooch |
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bluesbassman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-24-11 12:57 AM Response to Original message |
8. You believe that God is one. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder. James 2:19 |
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SwampG8r (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-24-11 01:16 AM Response to Original message |
9. was he a true christian? only god can judge |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-24-11 03:17 AM Response to Original message |
10. I think what people are saying when they say that is that he isn't representative of Christianity an |
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Union Scribe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-24-11 06:32 AM Response to Reply #10 |
28. I think that's a good interpretation |
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AlabamaLibrul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-24-11 03:25 AM Response to Original message |
12. K&R |
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cherokeeprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-24-11 03:35 AM Response to Original message |
15. So the gist of your post is an attempt to tie him to "true" Christians? |
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Ferret Annica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-24-11 04:33 AM Response to Reply #15 |
23. This guy was no Christian |
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Search and Destroy (47 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 02:25 AM Response to Reply #15 |
46. No, the gist of my post is that there is no such thing as a "true" christian |
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Kennah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-24-11 03:49 AM Response to Original message |
18. Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius. |
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Ferret Annica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-24-11 04:31 AM Response to Reply #18 |
22. interesting quote: |
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U4ikLefty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-24-11 06:08 AM Response to Original message |
26. He certainly wasn't a true Scotsman. |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 06:43 PM Response to Reply #26 |
118. ! |
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divvy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-24-11 06:21 AM Response to Original message |
27. You are Christian if you say you are .... there are NO other requirements |
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noel711 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-24-11 07:18 AM Response to Reply #27 |
30. I disagree and I'll tell you why... |
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divvy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 03:48 AM Response to Reply #30 |
52. Sorry, but your argument is limited to Orthodoxy |
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noel711 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 05:40 AM Response to Reply #52 |
60. Go ahead, speak for pentecostals.. |
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divvy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 10:41 AM Response to Reply #60 |
75. Lets try the acid test which is more to my point..... |
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divvy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 03:48 AM Response to Reply #30 |
53. duplicate |
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Arugula Latte (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 07:26 PM Response to Reply #30 |
91. "to proclaim the good news of Jesus Christ in word and deed" -- UGH |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 06:28 AM Response to Reply #27 |
63. Not quite. And CERTAINLY not in Roman Catholic Christianity. |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-24-11 08:17 AM Response to Original message |
31. If he had self-identified as a Liberal Progressive American Democrat.... |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 06:44 PM Response to Reply #31 |
119. Well said. Thank you. nt |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-24-11 09:04 AM Response to Original message |
32. Christians don't kill people...nt |
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Bragi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 06:33 AM Response to Reply #32 |
65. They have done so throughout history, and still do /nt |
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Arugula Latte (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 07:31 PM Response to Reply #32 |
92. Hmm, tell that to the victims of the Inquisition & the Crusades & Salem witchhunt |
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BiggJawn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-24-11 01:35 PM Response to Original message |
36. Well, at least they aren't trying to make an Atheist out of him. |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-24-11 01:37 PM Response to Original message |
38. The way I see it - he was a Christian. So was MLK |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-24-11 01:51 PM Response to Original message |
39. He was a CINO. Kinda missed the parts about "Thou shalt not kill" and |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-24-11 11:59 PM Response to Reply #39 |
43. Eh, I would say that tarring with a wide brush is a time-honored tradition of humans.. |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 02:33 AM Response to Reply #39 |
47. But he totally got "I came not to bring peace but the sword." |
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Search and Destroy (47 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 02:47 AM Response to Reply #39 |
50. Sinning does NOT make you not a christian anymore |
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Peacetrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-24-11 02:02 PM Response to Original message |
40. You can call yourself a turnip.. does not make you a turnip |
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upi402 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 12:00 AM Response to Reply #40 |
44. comparing apples and oranges a bit, I think |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 02:36 AM Response to Reply #40 |
48. That would mean that in two thousand years of Christianity there were almost no actual Christians. |
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Peacetrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 05:05 AM Response to Reply #48 |
56. You finally understand and did not need to ingest that famous haggis |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 08:05 AM Response to Reply #56 |
67. Oh for pity's sake. |
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Peacetrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 08:39 AM Response to Reply #67 |
69. Oh I get it...you get to define what a Christian is |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 10:15 AM Response to Reply #69 |
74. your perception of what a Christian is |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 11:11 AM Response to Reply #69 |
79. You know the rest of us read you guys' rule book too, right? |
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SwampG8r (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 09:47 AM Response to Reply #67 |
73. he is right its from jesus own lips |
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dawg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 06:46 AM Response to Reply #67 |
109. No, Peace Train is exactly right. |
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Angry Dragon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 03:08 AM Response to Reply #56 |
105. Christianity is not a religion |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 07:26 AM Response to Reply #56 |
113. Christians themselves don't even agree on the "two great laws." |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 04:35 PM Response to Reply #40 |
131. Killing 90 people could make you a Christian. |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 12:03 AM Response to Original message |
45. It is easier to distance oneself from the actions of others |
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fujiyama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 02:37 AM Response to Original message |
49. I am kind of sick of hearing this defensive measure |
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PurityOfEssence (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 03:36 AM Response to Original message |
51. It's based on the unfounded bigotry that religion is "good" |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 03:56 AM Response to Original message |
54. Breivik HIMSELF says that he's not very religious |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 06:45 PM Response to Reply #54 |
120. Interesting. I hadn't read this. Thanks. nt |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 05:05 AM Response to Original message |
57. His multiple acts of murder are inconsistent with the version of Christianity that I was taught |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 06:31 AM Response to Original message |
64. One can be a Christian while breaking its tenets, just as one can be a Democrat who...... |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 09:30 AM Response to Reply #64 |
72. Yup, I've started using the phrase "No True Democrat" when this nonsense crops up. |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 06:46 PM Response to Reply #72 |
121. +1 nt |
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Bragi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 06:35 AM Response to Original message |
66. The problem isn't "insufficient religiousity" it's religion itself /nt |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 08:26 AM Response to Original message |
68. I believe the argument is predicated on the perception |
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WildEyedLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 10:42 AM Response to Original message |
76. Was Joe Lieberman a "true" Democrat? |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 06:46 PM Response to Reply #76 |
122. Apparently so. nt |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 11:10 AM Response to Original message |
78. He's a feminized mama's boy, by his own admission, is what I've heard. |
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KamaAina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 11:51 AM Response to Original message |
81. "No True Scotsman" |
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AlinPA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 12:05 PM Response to Reply #81 |
87. You nailed it. |
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KamaAina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 11:52 AM Response to Original message |
82. Hitler wasn't, either |
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timtom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 11:56 AM Response to Original message |
84. Give it up, already! |
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LynneSin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 12:01 PM Response to Original message |
85. Many folks who say they are 'christians' really are following what paul did |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 12:02 PM Response to Original message |
86. Agreed |
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roomfullofmirrors (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 06:52 PM Response to Original message |
89. I'm actually an alien who hails from the Pegasi sysytem. It's true because I said so. |
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krabigirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 06:53 PM Response to Original message |
90. I get SO tired of hearing that phrase... |
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RagAss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 07:34 PM Response to Original message |
93. I never met a "True Christian". |
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11 Bravo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 07:35 PM Response to Original message |
94. No more that Mohammed Atta was representative of "true Muslims". |
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nomb (884 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 07:44 PM Response to Reply #94 |
96. Atta had people with him, directing him and following him - and when he was done he was hero to many |
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pitohui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 07:37 PM Response to Original message |
95. i haven't heard anyone say he wasn't a "true" christian |
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Angry Dragon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 03:21 AM Response to Reply #95 |
106. bill o'reilly said today |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 08:22 PM Response to Original message |
97. Are you a Marxist if you believe Karl Marx existed? |
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Search and Destroy (47 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 09:39 PM Response to Reply #97 |
98. No, because Marxism isn't based around the belief that Marx is the son of God |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 10:19 PM Response to Reply #98 |
99. Now I understand your username... |
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Demeter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 10:53 PM Response to Reply #99 |
100. "Amen" |
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txlibdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 08:52 AM Response to Reply #100 |
115. Pie Jesu Domine, dona eis requiem. |
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dawg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 06:52 AM Response to Reply #98 |
110. But surely you don't think a business owner ... |
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dawg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 06:54 AM Response to Reply #110 |
111. I don't think the 9-11 bombers were true Muslims either. |
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Search and Destroy (47 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 03:45 PM Response to Reply #110 |
116. Does sinning automatically make one not a christian? |
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Duppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 01:27 AM Response to Original message |
101. well, even Sam Harris didn't think so |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 02:24 AM Response to Reply #101 |
103. Interesting! nt |
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Angry Dragon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 03:26 AM Response to Original message |
107. This is an enjoyable thread .............. |
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octothorpe (358 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 04:45 AM Response to Original message |
108. I always disliked those "...wasn't a true XXX because true XXX don't do that sort of stuff" lines. |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 07:10 AM Response to Original message |
112. As I already posted, Breivik himself says that he's not especially religious |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 07:30 AM Response to Reply #112 |
114. Strange that someone "not especially religious"... |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 06:51 PM Response to Reply #114 |
123. He claims in his own manifesto that he is not religious, and considers |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 07:16 PM Response to Reply #123 |
125. Well I guess the thing we need to take away here... |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 02:09 PM Response to Reply #125 |
128. Where did I use the word "non-believer"? I said he doesn't claim to be religious. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 02:43 PM Response to Reply #128 |
130. Don't worry, you're as clear as can be. |
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TheBigotBasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 07:21 PM Response to Original message |
126. It isn't a true christian |
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