So it seems as if the Norway killer was a bona fide neo-conservative.

[LadyLeigh]

I know it may be seen as unfitting to talk about the politics of a tragedy right after the fact, but it appears to me as if this is an extremely important point that cannot be stressed enough.

The portrayal of this guy as a "right winger" misses out on a few important details IMO:

This guy was not a member of the "traditional" far right, as in the white supremacist, neo-nazi/skinhead far right.

He was a bone fide neo-conservative: The anti-muslim, tying marxism to national-socialism (rather than actually coming out in support of national-socialism), anti-Palestine/pro-Israel, anti-multiculturalism, anti-"political correctness", freeper kind of far right.

I think this is extremely important because it shows that although this type of people have been starting foreign wars over-seas, domestically they have been more of a nuisance so far, but apparently have now moved on to being a real mortal threat.

[Tx4obama]

1. I see him as having the 'goal' as Charlie Manson. See link below

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1561975

[divvy]

2. You are in far more danger from the republican right than from Al Queda

[divvy]

3. A nut with a gun ...... what could possibly go wrong with that?

oops, I just realized that I responded twice to the same thread .... sorry

[Ineeda]

4. Uber "Christian", too. n/t

[JoeyT]

5. Yeah, but that will all be swept away as people demand we all agree that

he was just a lone nut. Totally out of his mind. Nothing to see here, he's completely insane. Completely insane with the ability to plan for months in advance to strike a specific group of targets, and to do it effectively, I might add.

Apparently it's only unfitting to talk about the politics of a killing right after it happens if the guy that does it isn't a Muslim. It was ok when people thought it might be a Muslim, or at least dark skinned, but now we know better so it isn't ok anymore. :silly:

Welcome to DU, by the way.

[LadyLeigh]

8. Yeah I suppose you are correct. If it is the right politics then it is fair game apparently.

[On the Road]

6. Groups Like the Weatherman and the Symbionese Liberation Army

discredited the left in the minds of a lot of people in the late 60s and 70s, even though their beliefs and methods were unusual and extreme even in those circles.

One can only hope that events like these will have a similar effect on the right.

[marions ghost]

7. Only logical if

you can say that right wingers have an aversion to killing and violence that equals the same on the left.

I doubt that these events have a similar effect on the right.

[On the Road]

9. The Effect They Would Likely Have is on Independents and the Apolitical

I also expect it would alienate a large number of conservatives.

[reformist2]

10. He drank deeply from the "Clash of Civilizations" well.

[pampango]

11. Seems uniquely "European" neo-con: no problem with high taxes, welfare state, safety net.

I haven't seen that he is particularly pro-capitalism or anti-socialism. (I read his blast at "multicultural marxism" as more of a cultural focus than an economic one.)

He has problems with Muslim immigration, multiculturalism (and the liberals that promote it) and "internationalism" (which apparently includes the EU, UN and who knows what other international organizations). Now he does have a lot in common with our neo-cons when it comes to those issues.

[H2O Man]

12. Respectfully disagree.

I do not think that he was a neoconservative, in the actual sense of the word.

Necroconservative seems an accurate fit, though.