"...the Congress writes the laws and you get to decide what you want to sign,” Boehner said,......

[WinkyDink]

“As I read the Constitution, the Congress writes the laws and you get to decide what you want to sign,” Boehner said, recounting what he told the president, according to two sources.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0711/59718.html#ixzz1T2EOk4wx
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What a cocky SOB.

[Tennessee Gal]

1. So send him something he can sign, you arrogant ass. nt

[emulatorloo]

4. Couple good articles on where the Republicans are at these days:

"Dysfunctional" Too Polite to Describe Tea Party Congress
By Joe Conason

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/political_commentary/commentary_by_joe_conason/dysfunctional_too_polite_to_describe_tea_party_congress

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Never underestimate the power of (Republican) spite
By Steve Benen

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x720121

[Tennessee Gal]

20. Thank you. nt

[Obamanaut]

35. Perhaps the president shouldn't sign just any old thing. Tax cut extensions

come to mind.

Hard to blame some things on congress when they don't have to override a veto, because there was none to override.

[emulatorloo]

2. Well, that's more or less how it works. +1 on Boehner is a cocky SOB

[phantom power]

6. Anybody can write a bill. Congress gets to vote on it. The President gets to sign or veto it.

[emulatorloo]

7. Note the "more or less". If you get a chance, take a look at the

articles by Joe Conason and Steve Benen I linked above. Really good analysis of why Boenher and the Republicans are so fucked up and dysfunctional.

Boehner is worse than a cocky SOB.

[WinkyDink]

14. " I’ve got the same responsibilities as the President.”

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/speaker-boehner-i-take-the-same-oath-of-office-as-the-president-i-have-the-same-responsibilities/

[Cool Logic]

3. I don't understand the point you are trying to make...

Congress does write the laws and the President either signs, or vetoes them.

[rucky]

8. It's a message to Obama to quit being involved in the negotiations.

and deliver an "up or down" signing/veto

Obama - like every President before him - influences the lawmaking by indicating what he needs to see in a bill before he'll sign it. Boehner's essentially telling Obama to STFU.

An Obama veto would make it easier to shift the blame to him for fucking things up. They'd just say "hey, we got something through congress, but Obama won't sign it!" Nevermind that what got through Congress was a piece of crap.

[WinkyDink]

12. Boehner has said he "has the same job as the President." Arrogant p***k.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/speaker-boehner-i-take-the-same-oath-of-office-as-the-president-i-have-the-same-responsibilities/

Channeling Al Haig, Boehner said “I take the same oath of office as the President of the United States. I’ve got the same responsibilities as the President.”

http://foolocracy.com/2011/07/boehner-confuses-his-job-with-the-presidents/

[treestar]

26. Oh I guess that was true of Pelosi in 2007

Except probably not. Republicans speak hypocritically always.

[jberryhill]

27. Typically, it is a waste of time for Congress to pass stuff the president won't sign

So it makes a lot of sense for them to agree on something before just wasting time on stuff that won't be signed.

[BumRushDaShow]

5. FDR vetoed 635 bills (regular and pocket)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_vetoes#Franklin_Roosevelt">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_vetoes#Franklin_Roosevelt

Time for someone to get the pen ready for ya Mr. Cheeto. :rofl:

[moondust]

9. Is he afraid of the 14th Amendment option?

(Which would make him and the Teapublican hostage-taking ploy irrelevant.)

[Make7]

10. Boehner: "Never once did the president ever come to the table with a plan."

One day prior to uttering the words in the opening post.
 

[polichick]

13. Yeah, he always wants it both ways - what a clown!

[polichick]

11. It's true that Congress writes the laws - and the prez should've been perfectly clear EVERY DAY...

...that he would only sign a clean debt ceiling bill - could still do that.

[FBaggins]

16. Except that it isn't true.

He'll pretty much have to sign the bill if Congress passes it.

[polichick]

17. He can veto if he chooses - and he should veto anything but a clean bill...

If he had said that from the get-go we wouldn't be in this place now.

[FBaggins]

18. He "can"... but he really can't.

Any bill that reaches his desk will necessarily have some Democratic support. At that point it's impossible to blame republicans for "shutting down the government" because it will be entirely up to him. Sign the bill and keep it open of veto it and the shutdown is entirely his fault. Then he has to argue why he would "rather shut down the government than (insert spin here)".

If he had enough political capital to pull that one off, we wouldn't be where we are now.

[polichick]

21. imo he pissed away his "political capital" by going the way he did - THE PEOPLE are...

...his real political capital and he refuses to stand with them.

[treestar]

24. As long as you are willing to live with the default

And blame it on the republicans.

[polichick]

28. They've only taken it so far because they knew he'd move far to the right...

I'd say enough is enough - bring me a clean bill. Dems and mainstream Republicans would manage to get a clean bill to his desk (with Wall Street threatening them).

[treestar]

29. is that really so?

How do you know? Mainstream Republicans? Last time I checked, there were not non-fanatical, rational Republicans.

[polichick]

31. Mainstream, meaning "Corporate Whore Republican."

[earthside]

15. Bingo Boehner!

Now if only President Obama would finally fully comprehend the power that he has ... demand a clean debt ceiling rise and promise a veto of anything else.

Obama should have done that months ago.

Instead, we are likely to get what Pat Buchanan has been predicting: a debt ceiling extension with the $3 trillion in cuts that the Biden group already agreed to -- the 'great compromise' from the Repuglicans being that the debt extension will go past the next election.

I'm sorry, but Obama has so messed-up this whole debt ceiling kerfuffle, in my opinion.

[ThomWV]

19. +1

[treestar]

22. He's right.

So he can get all of the credit for the default, then.

[kentuck]

23. Seems I recall Boehner and the Repubs insisted the President get involved...

..in the debt limit talks? Am I wrong?

[Major Hogwash]

25. Wow! Boehner didn't waste any of his 7 years in high school getting an education, did he?

Fuck, he is smart.
I didn't think he knew all that.

But then, Obama has those executive statments that he can sign, too.
Mueha-ha-ha!!

Forgot about those, huh, Boehner?!?

[kentuck]

30. What he's really saying:

It is the responsibility of the Congress to pass a debt ceiling, not the Presdient's responsibility. He reads the Constitution correctly. In fact, the President should never have been in this debate.

[DFW]

32. “I take the same oath of office as the President of the United States"

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office
of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve,
protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

OK, someone PLEASE tell me when John Boehner took THAT oath of office.

Oh, wait, this is the same clown who read from the Declaration of Independence
on national television and said it was the Constitution. This guy swears to
live by the Constitution, and doesn't even know what's in it. No wonder he
doesn't know the difference between the oath he took and the one Obama took.
Bonehead's oath might as well have come from inside a fortune cookie.

[Snotcicles]

33. The President would have a lot fewer gray hairs had he told them

bring me a bill, but if it has this, this, and this in it, blamo, veto time baby.

[polichick]

36. True, it would be easier for him and it would show he's willing to use his power.

[handmade34]

34. all the while

Republicans says this out of one side of their mouth and then bitch that the President has no plan out of the other...

[Zenlitened]

37. Some of Pres. Obama's most ardent supporters have made that same argument in the past. - n/t

[jmowreader]

38. I'm so tired of Bonehead's "the president didn't bring a plan to the table"

The thing is, we don't know if he did or didn't do that, because the Republicans aren't going to look at anything this president does fiscally unless it's all spending cuts partially offset with tax cuts--IOW if the GOP wants $3 trillion in deficit reduction over the next 10 years, what they want to see is at least $4 trillion in spending cuts combined with $1 trillion in tax cuts. ($6 trillion in spending cuts plus $3 trillion in offsetting tax cuts would be better.)

Since the GOP loves to commingle macroeconomics and microeconomics, the equivalent "family budget" thing would be paying for $20,000 in Christian School tuition by cutting $30,000 of non-contractually-obligated spending and taking a lower-paying job. If you can think of anyone who would actually do that, please point him out.