We are not asking for impeachment

[JDPriestly]

Somebody asked me to post this as an OP.

We are calling for Obama to announce that he will not run in 2012.

He needs to open the field and let Democrats decide on a different candidate.

Obama was unable to get his party out to vote in 2010, and he is splitting it with his stance on Social Security, Medicaid and Medicare.

It is time to let new candidates vie for the presidential nomination in 2012.

Obama said one thing during his candidacy and then immediately turned around and appointed aides who were headed in a very different direction after he took office. (You better believe the Republicans will use his wavering on issues and lack of principles or sure direction in 2012.)

Rank and file Democrats are increasingly abandoning him. Obama needs to reconsider running again. I hope he decides to drop out.

Obama has many good qualities. Had he been elected at a different time, his ability to compromise and find a middle ground might have brought him great success and the adoration of the country.

Sadly, the qualities that Obama brings to the presidency are not what the country needs at this time. Obama needs to recognize that and cede the field to someone who can meet the Republicans with the strength and determination and willingness to intimidate them and unveil them as the heartless bullies that they are.

[Doctor Hurt]

1. I love these parody posts

You should start a parody blog. This shit is hilarious.

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[CBGLuthier]

2. Yet another way this president is being treated differently from all others.

Amazing how every rule and every bit of decorum went out the door the day the president became...... Obama.

What about him is so different? Hmmm?

[H2O Man]

6. Not true.

Anyone with even a shallow grasp of political history knows that you are simply wrong. I say that, while not agreeing with the OP.

[JDPriestly]

7. He is agreeing to cut Social Security among other things.

Not even Eisenhower supported that.

Bush didn't dare.

Those of us who got our Social Security cards are shattered by the fact that we cannot even trust our government to take care of the money we paid in FICA taxes over the years.

They have to give it to the rich just like they have given everything else.

Obama has surrounded himself with rich people who couldn't care less about Social Security or the poor suckers who paid into the funds for virtually all their lives.

Obama does not care about a woman I remember meeting in a Skid Row shelter in LA.

She was born with a cleft palate that had not been treated and told me with great shame that when she was young and pretty she had worked as a waitress. But now nobody wanted her because of her looks.

She paid into Social Security. Obama would cut just enough from the lifeline of a woman like her in order to cater to his rich friends like Timothy Geithner.

That is positively shameful.

[JoePhilly]

15. Obama cut social security .... when?

Can you tell me ... if Obama is so hell bent to kill Social Security, why hasn't it happened yet?

I mean I think we'd agree that the GOP would kill it in a heart beat.

The GOP house has already voted to kill it. Obama should be able to get all of the GOP Senators to vote to kill it, and heck he'd only need a few blue dogs to kill it.

So what's holding him up?

Why hasn't Obama driven the knife into that woman's back yet?

[Angry Dragon]

22. He opened the door when he slashed the 2% off the

payroll tax back in December

And if SS, Medicare, and Medicaid are off the table then why has he not made that perfectly clear
He has to have heard the rumble about it.
All he has to do is get on tv and speak loudly that SS, M&M are not going to be touched.........

[MrsCorleone]

140. Lol! No disrespect, but that would be like to playing with all your cards facing up.

S t r a t e g y

But, shhhhhhhhh!

Don't tell anybody.

[JDPriestly]

64. Obama has offered cuts to Boehner.

I will be very surprised if Boehner doesn't repent at the last minute and accept this deal. Obama loses very little.

The low-income portion of the middle-class and the poor will suffer from this.

[JoePhilly]

126. So then it hasn't happened ...

So let's see if I follow ... the GOP wants SS cuts, and you claim that Obama wants them too.

And yet it hasn't happened.

Seems odd.

[JDPriestly]

133. Obama offered to cut Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid -- huge cuts.

[JDPriestly]

65. If you read my post again, you will see that I said that Obama

agreed to cut Social Security.

Please read more carefully and don't misquote me.

[JoePhilly]

127. And he "dosen't care" about some woman you know too ....

You seem to know a lot about what he thinks and how he feels.

[JDPriestly]

132. I read how he thinks and feels from his actions.

He should go to a woman like the one I describe and explain to her one-on-one why he is going to cut her COLAs so that when she is 80, she will have to wallow in misery in some underfunded "nursing home" that is not regulated because there is no money to pay regulators.

[Ineeda]

25. I call B.S. to your story.

"She was born with a cleft palate that had not been treated and told me with great shame that when she was young and pretty she had worked as a waitress. But now nobody wanted her because of her looks." Sorry, if she was born with a cleft palate and it was not treated she probably wasn't considered 'pretty' when she 'worked as a waitress'
when she was young. If this woman actually exists, and she's old enough to collect SS, she collects. Period. At least be honest. There are enough "real" stories out there to make such fabrications unnecessary.

[JDPriestly]

62. She was quite real. If she is still alive, she is probably collecting

Social Security. But in 20 years, she will collect quite a bit less than she should because of the cuts to Social Security.

Meanwhile hedge fund managers pay a lower income tax rate than their secretaries.

Call your Congressman and ask him to vote against cuts to Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid and for increases on the taxes of the wealthy.

The Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid are life lines to many very poor people.

The insurance benefits cannot be cut. That is just inhuman and cruel.

The average benefits if you research this a bit are just high enough to keep people out of the poverty level. And 1/2 of the recipients, by definition, do not get the average benefit.

The callousness on DU is just condemnable.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

135. She could have had it fixed at Shriner's hospital in Houston for free.

They fix orthopedic problems for kids for free.

[JDPriestly]

142. She was not young. They didn't do that when she was in the age group

in which those operations are normally performed.

She was in a homeless shelter which means she did not have much education or family support.

[NCarolinawoman]

33. Bobby Kennedy and Eugene McCarthy challenged LBJ while he was still President.

They felt the country was on the wrong course because of the never ending Viet Nam war.

[kath]

85. EXACTLY - when a President is sending the country down a blatantly wrong path, and violating the

bedrock principles of his party, he absolutely deserves to be challenged.

[JDPriestly]

122. Johnson would never have won in 1968. The country was in a total

state of disruption.

Kennedy's assassination may not have been Johnson's fault, but Americans were distrustful and angry as a result of it. In addition, racial injustice lead to rioting in the streets. The Viet Nam War caused the country to split apart.

Johnson did some good things, but he just could not control the situation.

Nixon was a disaster, but Johnson would not have won even if he had run, even if he had no opposition.

Similarly, Carter faced a challenger because he was unable to deal with the economy, the inflation and especially the oil crisis. Actually I think Carter did a really good job in most respect, but the public was very unhappy with the economy.

I think that the bad economy will make it very difficult for Obama to win in 2012 unless the Republicans field an impossible candidate and I suspect that in the end Huntsman will somehow get the nomination.

I also suspect that there will be some scandal about the Obama administration, perhaps manufactured, that will be brought up to take voters from him. He is not making the kind of emotional connection with his base that could get him through such a crisis.

Remember how voters were genuinely loyal to Clinton. He was viewed as a success in handling the economy. Obama will not benefit from a recovering economy unless things change drastically in the next year -- and I would be surprised if that happens.

I hope I'm wrong about Obama but what I said about Johnson reflects my experience at the time.

[spooked911]

136. I tend to agree though I can't see how Huntsman could get the nomination!

but who knows

[JDPriestly]

141. True.

[Bluebear]

51. He also is the first President to put Social Security and Medicare on the table. Hmmmm?

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[Historic NY]

4. Why would someone ask you to post. What are they cowards or pukes?

[Number23]

114. +100 This is a bookmarkable thread. This shit has gone past surreal into something else

[NYC Liberal]

115. Or someone who is currently eating a pizza and thus

can't post for themselves.

Hmm.

[JoePhilly]

5. Bwahahahahahahaha ....

I do love these political masturbatory fantasies.

"What if Bernie becomes a Dem and primaries Obama ... "

"Which of these dems should primary Obama ... "

And now ... my new favorite ... "We are calling for Obama to announce that he will not run in 2012."

:rofl:

[jaxx]

8. Who's we?

That kind of crap talk doesn't speak for me. Who the hell do you think you are anyway?

We. weeweeeweeeeweee all the way home.

Unrec'd

[tritsofme]

9. Let me know how that goes for you.

[BiggJawn]

10. Nothing personal...

But you expect me to take somebody who uses a picture of John "Philanderer" Edwards as an avatar seriously?

[JDPriestly]

68. I would rather a philanderer who campaigned on issues involving

poverty than a president who is loyal to his wife but does not keep the promises of every president since FDR to the elderly, especially the poor and elderly, in the country.

Marriage can be very difficult and people make mistakes.

But cheating seniors out of the Social Security insurance benefits that they started paying for when they were kids is just inexcusable. It is not a mistake. It is much worse.

And you should understand that we seniors feel as betrayed when our Democratic president proposes cutting our Social Security insurance benefits as women and men do when their spouses cheat on them -- and the cuts to Social Security will really hit the very poorest and most vulnerable and helpless among us.

At the very least, Obama should have apologized for the fact that our government is fighting wars and has built a huge palace in Baghdad while cutting Social Security insurance benefits to seniors.

It is just unbelievable. Where are our values as a nation? Where are Obama's values.? I would not expect better of the Republicans.

But I really expected better of Obama.

[Maru Kitteh]

106. Hedge-fund Johnny? The king of corruption? puke

[JDPriestly]

118. Maybe this will surprise you, but the other day, as I was cleaning up

some old papers, I ran across one of Edwards' campaign brochures. And yes, he was way ahead of the pack in suggesting reining in banks and providing more consumer protections. He was specifically very worried about what was happening in the housing and mortgage market.

Maybe his work at the hedge fund made him more aware of these problems.

I'd like to know what he thinks now. He has been virtually silenced.

Has Ensign been brought before a grand jury or indicted yet?

Republicans don't seem to face quite the same penalties in terms of legal action against them for their behavior that Democrats do.

[dionysus]

131. you really did buy that phony's snake oil, didn't you?

:rofl:

[BzaDem]

11. The Democratic turnout in 2010 matched the Democratic turnout in the last midterm, and liberals

voted for Democrats at a higher rate than even the past midterm.

I know you really, really wish that the negligible anti-Obama faction of the Democratic party was actually non-negligible. But your wishing isn't gonna make it happen. Obama's approval in his party is at the highest compared to any President in the past 50 years.

[Peacetrain]

12. We who? Spend that dollar somewhere else.. Rank and File are NOT

abandoning the President.

[emulatorloo]

13. I'm afraid your views may not have much resonance with Real world Democrats.

[uppityperson]

14. Please do not include me in your "we". Thank you. eom

[UTUSN]

16. & who asked for that besides every Rethug and n/t

[cherokeeprogressive]

17. Uh Oh...

[Horse with no Name]

18. I applaud you

not only for your stance on this, but that you choose to continue to display John Edwards as your avatar. The man was flawed, no doubt, but I still believe in the message and every cent that I donated to him was worth it for that message to be heard. And I still believe in the message.

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[Avalux]

19. Who is "We"?

And who do "we" have in mind, that can intimidate the Republicans? And what tactics would this person implement to successfully intimidate the Republicans, to get them to agree to a progressive agenda?

[JDPriestly]

70. That person would have gone to the American people weeks ago

and made an emotional plea to save Social Security and services for the poor. That person would have explained that the Social Security Trust fund is quite real, but that the money has to be repaid and that the rich in the country and the Republicans that represent them are refusing to do so.

Roosevelt, Truman and even Johnson were capable of going straight to the hearts of the American people.

Obama is disappointing in this regard.

He does not seem to be able to appeal to Americans on an emotional level -- always cool, but never really heartfelt.

And his view on economic issues is, in my view, very right-wing.

I do not consider Obama to be the kind of Democrat I knew in my childhood and youth.

I remember Truman. I remember Adlai Stevenson, Johnson, McGovern and maybe even Carter.

Clinton was less of a traditional Democrat on economic issues, but he still knew how to appeal to people's hearts. Obama just does not seem to be able to do that.

[DonCoquixote]

123. Going to the hearts

of an american people that is NOT the same one that FDR had, one that has been polluted with racism, and Murdoch style "journalism." By the way, you know that Clinton tried to privatize social security, but had to turn left to avoid being impeached, thanks god for the cigar.

and before you say "link please"
http://www.themilitant.com/1996/6046/6046_1.html
http://www.cepr.net/index.php/blogs/beat-the-press/bill-clinton-whos-known-for-his-plan-to-cut-social-security

[JDPriestly]

143. Actually, Americans are far less racist now than they were in the 1930s-1990s.

Americans have become less and less racist but more and more classist.

We used to have much more respect for hard work and for working people than we do today.

[DonCoquixote]

154. more class biogotry yes

But can you honestly look at signs calling barack a kenyan and say that?
When even jame hamsher lets out a name like "Bugaloo Bush?"

And, no, we did not have respect for hard work, they were simply better organized back then, before they got pensions, moved to florida, and became reagan democrats.

[pipi_k]

20. Actually I have the perfect candidate...

His Biography....

http://www.paulsen.com/bio1.html

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[alcibiades_mystery]

58. ROFL

You invent the "gutting" of Social Security, then side with the Tea baggers. Disgraceful. Like I said, get more than 5% in an election for YOUR candidate, then we'll talk about your so-called majority.

[grahamhgreen]

32. The mojority want us to tax the rich, get out of the mideast, medicare for all, and an end to free

trade.

We got him elected, we keep Dems in power.

[EFerrari]

35. It's just a really, really BIG fringe!

[Fearless]

38. +1000

[BzaDem]

42. And more Dems approve of Obama than any President since JFK. So it really depends who you are

talking about when you say "we."

[JDPriestly]

144. I read today that Obama would lose to a "generic Republican"

whatever that means. I'm not big on polls, but I read that earlier today.

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[grahamhgreen]

110. Cuz my majority has mojo, baby!

[dionysus]

130. ^^^^^^^^^

[MannyGoldstein]

24. K&R Agreed.

Obama's currently a major asset to the Romney campaign.

[AngryAmish]

27. I just wanna get in here

[Time for change]

28. I agree absolutely

I hope that as 2012 approaches it will become evident to enough people that Obama's hand is forced. I think that this country will continue down the road to disaster if he runs in 2012, no matter who wins.

[UTUSN]

29. & despite my age-old detestation of the UnReKKK function, I do it now. Bye. n/t

[grahamhgreen]

30. rec'd up to less than zero - dang!

[ProSense]

31. Dear President Obama

"Obama has many good qualities. Had he been elected at a different time, his ability to compromise and find a middle ground might have brought him great success and the adoration of the country.

Sadly, the qualities that Obama brings to the presidency are not what the country needs at this time. Obama needs to recognize that and cede the field to someone who can meet the Republicans with the strength and determination and willingness to intimidate them and unveil them as the heartless bullies that they are."

...please understand that although you are one of the best Presidents in a generation, with a record to prove it, you should step aside because the people who have been spinning their asses off to portray you as weak demand that you do so. You should step aside and allow an unnamed coward who refuses to primary you for the good of the country to take your place. Such a coward would no doubt be fierce when it comes to standing up to Republicans.

So please President Obama, please admit you're a failure, and drop out.

Love,

Someone who never liked you anyway!

[MrsCorleone]

139. Ha!

:yourock:

[Blue-Jay]

34. Poop.

[Scurrilous]

36. Crap.

:thumbsdown:

[NYC Liberal]

37. No thanks. Obama has the support of 85-90% of the liberal base of the

party, of which I am one.

I will work my ass off for Obama to defeat any primary candidate -- not that anyone is actually going to run, because to do so would be an exercise in insanity. Perhaps you can name some Democrats who can successfully unseat a president with an 85% approval rating among the liberal base, without splitting the party and spoiling the general election (whether they win or not)?

Obama is exactly what we need now, and I will be voting for him next November. I support the most progressive president in many, many years.

[Fearless]

39. I love how we quote polls in our favor and decry those that oppose

our predetermined beliefs.

:eyes:

[NYC Liberal]

Is that the royal We? Got a mouse in your pocket? n/t

[Fearless]

44. We is DU.

[BzaDem]

45. There are no polls that show something other than supermajorities of Dems approving of Obama. n/t

[Fearless]

48. To clarify: We agree with the polls only when they support our predetermined beliefs.

[BzaDem]

55. I'm not sure why you say that. I obviously agree with the polls showing that the public wants high

taxes on the rich, etc. I'm not disputing them.

I'm just saying that despite everything else, the Democratic party is solidly behind Obama.

[Fearless]

63. I am saying that we actively banished Gallop (for instance) during the '08 elections

It was a filthy word. But it's good again, because it's poll (or any other polling installation) is telling us what we want to hear. Do you see the double standard?

[BzaDem]

67. Did we? I sure didn't. n/t

[Fearless]

81. Yes, DUers did.

[JDPriestly]

72. Guess what! I have been one of those polled who claimed to like Obama

Many of the people who say they like Obama are like me -- wanting to like him but utterly fed up with the reality of what Obama does.

I do like Obama as a person. I think he is a wonderful person.

He is just a lousy, weak president.

Maybe if I were in my 20s and 30s and did not remember men like Truman and McGovern and JFK and Robert F. Kennedy -- the great Democrats of my lifetime (maybe Carter on some issues), then I would think Obama was outstanding.

I do not like the fact that the promises made to me when I was 14 and got my first job that required a Social Security card are now being broken.

This is a breach of trust. It is painful.

We heard a lot of talk about "shared sacrifice." OK, how is the sacrifice being shared by the hedge fund gamblers? by the trust fund bums? by industrial magnates and CEOs?

What is their share of the sacrifice?

Obama has talked the talk on this, but he hasn't walked the walk.

There is a movement of wealthy people who have indicated their willingness to pay higher taxes. Obama should have enlisted them in his effort to move Republicans toward true shared sacrifice.

He has missed so many chances. Meanwhile he wastes a lot of money in military adventures around the world.

Of course I am disappointed. Of course I would like to see a challenge to Obama.

[Fearless]

82. +1

[NYC Liberal]

97. Who, specifically, would you like to challenge Obama?

Which Democrats?

Generic candidates are perfect. They have no flaws. Hence, they are meaningless.

[NYC Liberal]

49. Yep. But we're supposed to ignore that and to believe that some magical

Super Candidate will swoop in and just blast Obama away.

[JDPriestly]

75. He should at least be challenged so that he has to work for our votes.

He has stood against me on just about every issue that is important to me from civil rights (habeas corpus and 4th Amendment rights) to economic issues, especially the looting of the Social Security Trust Fund.

Why in the world should I support him?

How can we afford Obama's health insurance reform plan if we have to cut Social Security for the poor?

There is an inconsistency there. Something is wrong in the Obama administration?

Can't you figure that out?

[NYC Liberal]

88. Don't support him then. It's your choice.

Nobody is stopping you from voting for whomever you want.

If you're posting on a site like DU, chances are you follow the news and issues much more closely than the average voter does. I don't think you need to have your hand held and have people tell you how to vote.

[CakeGrrl]

125. Go prove he's cutting Social Security for the poor.

I haven't heard it.

Yes, I know what's been "on the table" - and that, as I understand it, does not equate to what you're implying. Explain how that is even comparable to the TRUE dismantling of SS/Medicare that WOULD occur under the Ryan proposal.

[joshcryer]

151. Are you over 35? I suggest you file the paperwork.

Go for it.

[EFerrari]

76. Is that more magical than thinking the same independent voters who rejected

Obama's economic policies in 2010 will turn around and embrace them after 2 more years of unemployment?

[Fearless]

83. Why does everything have to be "Super" lately?

:rofl:

[NYC Liberal]

84. You'd have to be pretty damn super to unseat an incumbent president

with an 85% approval rating from his party's base.

[Fearless]

86. Or he has to f*ck it up something "super"... like cutting social programs... ahem.

[EFerrari]

90. Only 2 of the last 9 presidents have served two terms. n /t

[Fearless]

95. W. Bush, Clinton, Reagan. Granted the prior wasn't exactly legitimately.

[EFerrari]

98. I suppressed the cokehead. Well, he wasn't elected once anyway. n/t

[Fearless]

100. Very true.

[NYC Liberal]

94. Which Democrats have a chance of unseating President Obama

in a primary election? Without any names, this primary nonsense is meaningless.

[Fearless]

96. Wanting something better for this country is never meaningless.

[NYC Liberal]

99. Please name some Democrats who you think would

have a chance of unseating Obama.

I never said "wanting something better for this country" was meaningless. I said discussing a primary challenge without specific names is meaningless. Because it is.

[Fearless]

101. De facto suggesting that people be quiet because there aren't better options...

in candidates is not something I will adhere to. There are tons of Democrats who would make better Democratic Presidents than Obama currently. Do they have a chance? That is completely irrelevant to the fact that not trying is not an excuse.

[NYC Liberal]

103. I suggested no such thing.

I asked you to name any Democrats who have a chance of unseating Obama.

Clearly, you can't think of any. And it's obvious why: Obama is extremely popular among the liberal base of the party, and a primary challenge is an exercise in foolishness. Having a chance of winning is entirely relevant to an election.

[sabrina 1]

102. That's a very small segment of the population. As the 2010

election demonstrated, he lost the Independent vote. The last numbers I saw on Independents didn't look good for him at all. Most of those Ind. were left-leaning, and with so many Democrats disappointed, and IF he sells out on SS, there will be many, many more, I hope he can get some Republicans to vote for him. I guess that's what they are hoping for.

Otoh, knowing how things are going, he may decide it was a very, very bad idea after all as Bush did before him.

As for the 85%, you could count most DUers in those poll numbers, no democrat is going to tell a pollster they do not support a Dem. President. That would be like saying that we support Republicans. That's unthinkable. I know I would not. I wouldn't place too much importance on those polls.

[NYC Liberal]

105. This thread is about a primary challenge.

Primaries are held among party members, not among the general population. Obama's approval rating among independents is irrelevant here. What is relevant is his support from the liberal base of the party, which is overwhelming.

As to your assertion that "no democrat is going to tell a pollster they do not support a Dem. President" -- total nonsense. If that were true, he would have a 100% approval rating among Democrats.

[sabrina 1]

108. I said 'democrats'. Lots of people pretending to be democrats

these days. And hilariously, lots pretending to be 'liberals'.

This thread is about him 'stepping aside'.

Personally I think he will win the next election because we now know that no true progressive will make it to the WH. The race will be about who can please Corporate America the most. And so far, he's done a pretty good job of that and appears to be still working hard for them. So, unless the Republican can guarantee handing over SS, Medicare and whatever other public funds will be left, I think he will be their candidate and the winner.

Better for democrats to focus on Congress this time. We cannot compete for the WH with Corporate America. It's been a big learning experience though and I have to say, Nader was right after all.

[NYC Liberal]

111. I wonder if you apply that same skepticism toward Democrats who do not support him.

And the absurd suggestion that he step aside was based on the assertion that "Rank and file Democrats are increasingly abandoning him." This is patently false. Rank-and-file Democrats overwhelmingly support President Obama. In fact, as I said, his support is strongest among the liberal base of the party.

I and millions of other liberals like the job Obama has done and will be voting happily for him next November.

[NorthCarolina]

43. Whoa...we're pushing the 85% up to 90% now?

:eyes:

If things get worse will you then be posting that it's up to 95%, 100% or even 110%?

Dream on.

[EFerrari]

47. Gallup has it at under 80% for the first time.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/145268/Obama-Approval-Slipping-Among-Liberal-Democrats.aspx

[BzaDem]

57. That was from December of 2010. It is currently at 85%. The last 10 weeks were

84, 86, 81, 86, 87, 87, 88, 90, 88, and 86.

[Number23]

113. ROFL!!! I'm dying at someone actually using a damn near 8-month old poll to prove

some "point." That is classic.

[joshcryer]

152. Propaganda, it knows no bounds.

Same thing with the whole "we lost 2010 because we didn't run progressive enough!" garbage.

[NYC Liberal]

89. You do understand that polls fluctuate, don't you?

Yes, in recent months polls have indicated that Obama has the support of between 85 and 90 percent of the party base.

Please read my post before replying to it.

[Maru Kitteh]

107. 84, 86, 81, 86, 87, 87, 88, 90, 88, 86

The last 10 weeks. 85-90%.

[Ignis]

137. This amp goes to 11, obviously.

[Youth Uprising]

61. Sorry, you can't be a liberal and support this president's policies.

[NYC Liberal]

91. Sorry, but you can. And millions of liberals do. nt

[inna]

66. absurd and meaningless mythology

[NYC Liberal]

92. Wow. You sure told me.

Please name some Democrats who have a chance of unseating an incumbent president who is extremely popular among his party's base.

Thanks.

[WilliamPitt]

40. Who is "we"?

Is there a mouse in your pocket?

[swilton]

41. Thanks for your thoughtful post -

I agree with you.

[swilton]

46. It takes courage and I share your convictions

Whether or not your thoughts are acted upon here - I do believe Obama's career is finished.

[unkachuck]

50. K&R....I agree with you JDPriestly, 100 %....n/t

[McCamy Taylor]

53. Dude, do you even understand politics? The power of the incumbent is huge.

If you don't want Rick "Good hair" Perry in the WH in 2013, you had better rethink your position. The only Dem who will be able to match GOP fund raising is an incumbent. And money is what wins in Washington politics right now.

Re: 2010, the party in power in the WH always loses seats. There is a negative coattails effect for the off years. And that is not counting Citizens United vs. FEC which Rove and all anticipated (I am convinced they engineered the law suit and conspired with the SCOTUS on the timing) since they were in the WSJ the very next day announcing their Super-Pacs. No one can pin THAT on Obama.

I think yelling at Obama from the left is a very good idea. It makes it easier for him to justify acting like a Democrat ("Gotta keep the base happy") to the rich folks he will need to placate in order to win in 2012. However, when you start talking about dumping him or planning a grueling Kennedy vs. Carter type 1980 primary, you take aim at your own party's foot with Dan Burton's watermelon shooting gun.

[EFerrari]

54. 2010 was the first time in 22 years that economy voters favored Republicans.

That can be pinned on Obama. He has no jobs strategy and that, not the freakin' debt, is what people care about.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/vote-2010-elections-results-midterm-exit-poll-analysis/story?id=12003775

[JDPriestly]

77. Jobs and Social Security.

I attended a meeting with my congressional representative and constituents. We live in a lower middle class to poor area. Social Security was the topic that citizens were most concerned about. There were other issues, but people are very, very worried about Social Security.

That bodes badly for Obama.

[EFerrari]

79. It's like watching someone make a suicide pact. n/t

[inna]

74. Dude, I'm pretty sure she does, at least as well and possibly better than you do.

[rufus dog]

56. can I give you some unsolicited advice

here it is... you might have a bit more gravitas is you lost the avatar of Edwards.

[JDPriestly]

78. I took my Edwards avatar off because I, like so many, was very angry

with him after his disloyal behavior in his marriage.

But I put it back on during the Anthony Weiner mess.

Sexual conduct is only one measure of a person's moral character.

I liked Edwards because of his platform. He was, as far as I could tell, one of the very first to advocate for more careful regulation in the mortgage market, consumer protection, Medicare for all, focusing on alternative energy development -- and looking out for the poor.

If you recall, Edwards' campaign theme was Two Americas.

It is not entirely Obama's fault, but never has the division between the Two Americas been greater in our country since maybe the 1920s.

So that is why I put my Edwards avatar back on.

I want to judge a leader not just about his or her conduct toward his or her spouse or his or her sex life, but by their public morality -- their stances on the issues and their honesty in public life.

The number of couples whose marriages end in divorce due to infidelity is pretty high. Infidelity is not uncommon. Just because you don't hear about a politician's lousy marriage or infidelity does not mean it does not occur.

If you would like to know more about how conservatives use the sex lives of Democrats against them (while involved in similar behavior themselves), watch the movie "Client 9."

[madmom]

60. So why should Obama step aside? If these so called better candidates can't beat

Obama in a primary, how will they beat anyone in a general? If they want to run let them, and let the chips fall where they may.

[inna]

71. (invisible) K&R; surprised by harshness & negativity in responses

[NJCher]

73. look at what happened in NJ in the last gubernatorial election

Corzine, the Democratic governor, had lost the interest of Democrats. No one was excited about him.

What happened? Christie, a candidate who was associated with bush, won.

None of my friends in my liberal Democratic community support Obama or will even bother voting for him. They have said this--it is not something I am deducing from comments they've made.

All the republicans need to do is find a candidate who can look good up against Obama. That is not somebody like Bachman, but it is somebody like Mitt Romney.

Obama has so sold us down the river that it could happen.


Cher

[CaptRandom]

80. +1000... I wish candidate Obama would run..

he was awesome.. I miss him..

[Texasgal]

87. Oh Good GOD.

:puke:

[kath]

93. "I shall not seek, and I will not accept..."

Gawd, those words have been running through my head so often the past couple of weeks. If only...

Another K and invisible R. Thanks for posting this.

[upi402]

104. ^+1,000 n/t k/r if it goes thru

[Jim Warren]

116. And I wait with bated breath

to learn who the new Nixon will be.

[MilesColtrane]

109. "He needs to open the field"

The field is open.

That's what the primary system is all about.

[Number23]

112. Thrilled to unrec

I not only encourage President Obama's re-election, I will send as much money as I possibly can to ensure his victory.

Posts and perceptions such as yours only STRENGTHEN my desire to do so.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

117. What kind of person is this "Somebody"?

And why didn't they have the balls to post it? Were they tombstoned? Or are they a member, but are too lazy to spend five minutes typing this drivel?

I'll be joining the overwhelming majority of Democrats in supporting his re-election. You and your buddies can cling to your masturbatory fantasies of some liberal Jesus to come in and save the day while the rest of us will focus on the real world.

[CakeGrrl]

119. Gosh, who DOESN'T want President Obama to do their work for them?

The Right wants him to take responsibility for the bullshit economic damage they set in motion.

The far Left wants him to make life easy on them and step out of office so a Dream Left candidate can ascend without all that silly primary challenge business.

ps - 'Thanks' for not asking for impeachment, whoever you all are. You'd prefer that the President "self-impeach" so that you don't have to go through that nasty little inconvenience. How big of you.

I think this needs to go onto my bookmark list for even more amusing reading.

:rofl:

[EFerrari]

121. Oh, yeah, the far left fringe who thinks we should protect Social Security

and attack Republicans and not the other way around. LOL

[CakeGrrl]

124. You know who ACTUALLY wants to attack Social Security? Paul Ryan and the GOP House.

Someone needs to pony up some proof that President Obama is trying to do the same.

(ps - you won't find it, because it doesn't exist.)

[EFerrari]

128. Here's a list of links for you:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=1551722&mesg_id=1558596

[joshcryer]

148. No, it's more repugnant than that, they want him to step down so they won't have to face the heat...

...for their candidate causing or potentially causing the Democrat to lose.

It's called Democracy. Run the candidate you think can win. And stop bitching.

Don't expect a popular President to step down just so your candidate can have a chance. How utterly insulting.

[Skidmore]

120. Ah, yes, another compassionate progressive rides in

on a high horse to blow up the world to save it.

[dionysus]

129. thanks for the chucks... maybe you can recruit smoove johnny to save us...

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[TwilightGardener]

134. Well, that's mighty generous of you, not to demand impeachment.

Yessir, mighty generous. :crazy:

[joshcryer]

149. They already demanded impeachment when Obama didn't suck up to the lying GOPers...

...over the War Powers Act.

[TwilightGardener]

155. Eh, I should have guessed someone here would do that.

:eyes:

[MineralMan]

138. Feh! Sadly, I cannot write what I would like to write.

But, I'll bet you can guess what it would have been.

[noise]

145. What is funny is the way some suggest this thread is offensive

while they overlook the nauseating focus of winning reelection at the expense of the Democratic base. Yes I'm referring to that "independent voter" bullshit.

Look at the bizarre morality. It is deemed offensive to suggest that a sitting President should face a primary challenge. So rude. Yet a continuation of Bush administration war on terror and economic policies (both atrocious) is somehow justified because Sarah Palin or Rick Perry would be worse.

The standard of conduct should not be "better than Perry or Palin." That is an absurdly low standard of conduct.

[joshcryer]

147. The OP is asking for the President to step down, not to face a primary opponent.

I have no problem with a primary candidate. Where is this candidate? It doesn't exist.

[noise]

150. Many people scoff at the notion of a primary

candidate for a sitting President.

[joshcryer]

153. A primary candidate is far less absurd and asinine than "Mr. President, please step down,"...

...with a record approval rating and overwhelming support from his party. :rofl:

It's insulting.

[joshcryer]

146. Do you know what primaries are for? This is such an asinine post.