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pepperbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 09:19 PM
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I sincerely believe this might be part of the problem. (pic heavy)
I would NEVER advocate censorship, but the cynic in me has to wonder if the producers can sleep at night. My worst nightmare has an exec in a boardroom with the fat "boss tweed" cigar, rubbing his hands together with glee while the vapidity is spread, the "products are placed," greed becomes "the new black," the very worst of humanity is exploited, and the false idea that there's no skill required and that it's all somehow real life is reinforced.

This batch of over-botoxed, over-retouched underachievers are on 24/7. They are 15-minute-famous for doing virtually NOTHING. This isn't sour grapes because I save my covetous nature for people with real talent.

Warhol was right after all.


























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av8rdave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 09:23 PM
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1. It has nothing to do with cencorship and everything to do with promoting non-talent, IMO
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 12:26 PM
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85. Much is
gender stereotyping....and brainwashing people into accepting base 'human' behaviors as their own.

I blame Jerry Springer for starting this....of course, Murdoch started infotainment w/ Hard Copy. MSM is pure crap today.

I found some 1961 copies of 'Cosmopolitan' in my grandmother's basement...it contained LITERATURE....that's right...short stories. I was completely blown away.

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Alameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 09:18 PM
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111. Yes, I saw my niece's Cosmo, glanced through it and was shocked
Geeze....it's turned into a porno magazine. Lot's of sex tricks and technique, not to worry about actually having an emotional connection. Like you push this button and that happens.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 10:14 PM
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114. Our 'culture' seems
close to hitting bottom. How quickly this has happened is AMAZING!!!

I miss romance.
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 09:23 PM
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2. "panem et circenses"
In my humble opinion.
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Skip_In_Boulder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 09:23 PM
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3. I don't even have a T.V. anymore
and stuff like this is the reason way. Most of it is just propaganda these days.
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FLPanhandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 09:26 PM
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4. Ours is for movies and college football games.
Otherwise, it's off. Mainly because there are 200 channels and nothing is worth watching.
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Skip_In_Boulder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 09:30 PM
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6. Well I'm not a sports fan
And I just watch movies on my computer.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 12:24 AM
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39. I have one with no reception; it's just used for DVDs
I'm so glad that I ditched TV 15 years ago. The groupthink that comes from it (even here) is downright scary!
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 09:27 PM
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5. Certainly a consequence of the problem.
Which in turn feeds the problem.

It's a downward spiral.

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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 09:31 PM
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Dupe, self delete..
Edited on Sun Jul-24-11 09:31 PM by Fumesucker

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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 09:31 PM
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7. Never seen any of 'em..
And don't care to.

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csziggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 09:32 PM
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8. I'm proud to say I have never watched any of those shows
Most I only know exist because of advertising, a few in your list I have never heard of.

And I keep my TV on all day long. Mostly science, science fiction, old movies, news, and if nothing else is on, the NASA channel are what ply on my screen all day. Every so often I used to turn over to trials on Tru TV, but the first I have watched in a long time was the Casey Anthony trial, just because it got so compelling once I got hooked. I'm now off that channel with all their excess about the verdict.
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indurancevile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 10:45 PM
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26. a lot of young people do, though.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 06:30 AM
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48. Never watched a one of them....
But the sad part is I know of each one...
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 12:13 PM
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80. Same here--because even if you don't watch that crap, "news" about
Edited on Mon Jul-25-11 12:14 PM by tblue37
it floods the net, the newspapers, and the various magazines in this country. It really bothers me that even if I don't read such articles, the headlines slither into my awareness. I first realized how pervasive it was when I suddenly knew who that blonde bimbo was who had all the plastic surgery. How did Heidi Montag, and even worse, her husband Spencer something, ever become part of my awareness of the world?

Ironically, I first became aware of them because the headline to an article in some newspaper or magazine or on some internet news site caught my attention (I no longer remember exactly where I saw it): "Heidi Montage and Spencer XXX: Who Are These People?" (The article had hisname--not the Xes I used, but I can't remember what the name is.) I had not seen those name before, and I was curious about what the article's title referred to, so I read it. You can't unring that bell.

Unfortunately, I am a superfast reader, so as I scan article headlines, my eyes always pick up at least some details from the text of the articles, so I have ended up collecting by accident some information about these people, even though I hate the idea that even a few of my brain cells are wasted on them!

The same thing has happened with some of the other reality "stars"--I have become aware of who they are because of the pervasiveness of pictures and headlines about them, even though I have never seen their shows or shows that concern themselves with them.

For example, the magazine covers at the checkout line in the grocery stores have made me aware that there might be some show that glorifies teenaged mothers. I am trying to wrap my mind around this concept: Is it true that some show actually has as its "stars" people who have done nothing but get pregnant as unwed teenagers? How can they make a show about that?
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 02:34 PM
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98. I believe there are at least two of them.
So sad, isn't it? Funding for Planned Parenthood gets cut, & this kind of shit is on TV.

There's also a show glorifying that family that has 19 children. Bill Maher made a comment on that show. "If they had 19 cats they'd be on Hoarders."

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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 09:32 PM
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9. I too suspect this is part of the problem; & I do believe it's partly a deliberate tactic
to keep us distracted with consumerist baubles that don't really matter and can't help us find either true happiness or our own power.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 09:42 PM
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15. You realize we've had TV since about 1948?
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Tunkamerica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 09:46 PM
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18. I blame mash and archie bunker
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dissidentboomer Donating Member (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 09:31 AM
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65. Yes, we do realize that but, if you knew ANYTHING about
recent history, you would know that television in the '60's and '70's was, on the whole, MUCH more intelligent and substantive than it is today.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 10:08 AM
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68. 1. Wasn't replying to you; 2. I'll wager I know MUCH more about TV than you, having watched since
Edited on Mon Jul-25-11 10:13 AM by WinkyDink
1950. I'm a TV addict. But then, I grew up with "Truth or Consequences," "Queen for a Day," "Soupy Dales," "American Bandstand," and roller-derby (to be fair to the medium, I also watched "Omnibus," "Bishop Sheen," and "The Ernie Kovacs Show").

But for the sake of argument, let's look at the "more intelligent and substantive" 1970's US television, shall we?
http://www.retrojunk.com/tv/list/1970/2/pop/
http://www.crazyabouttv.com/decades/1970s.html

Should I start with "The Dukes of Hazard" or "B.J. and the Bear"?

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dissidentboomer Donating Member (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 11:12 AM
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77. You can always site individual examples during ANY period. OVERALL,
Edited on Mon Jul-25-11 11:13 AM by dissidentboomer
I strongly suspect that it has been significantly dumbed down. There weren't "news channels" available in the '60s and '70s but the news had more integrity and wasn't horribly politically slanted. That's just ONE general example that almost no one would dispute.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 12:30 PM
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87. Originally TV
marketed to the educated....there were plays on TV. Real ART!

And until cable TV crashed our 'culture,' between 5:00 to 7:00 pm, there was nothing but NEWS on. As a result people were more informed. I miss Walter Cronkite. I bet there are children out there who have NEVER watched a newscast.
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dissidentboomer Donating Member (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 02:37 PM
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99. YES! I remember. That's also when politicians at least occasionally
considered the national interest and the general welfare of all Americans. Where did my country go and what is this monstrosity masquerading as the US?
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 06:09 PM
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104. Dumbing Down America
Despite all of the people with university degrees, the US has the most uninformed,biased and ignorant population in the Western World.

That's the way the boys like it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acLW1vFO-2Q&feature=related
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Kievan Rus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 09:33 PM
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10. Bread and circuses
It worked in ancient Rome and it still works today.
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SalviaBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 09:37 PM
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Look, look, over here
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SalviaBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 09:37 PM
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11. Look, look, over here
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 09:39 PM
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12. I keep waiting for people to get sick of such banal, low budget programming
but then nobody ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 09:41 PM
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14. The "people"? It's whether the ADVERTISERS will.
Edited on Sun Jul-24-11 09:42 PM by WinkyDink
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 09:40 PM
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13. "The problem"'s being? Ya know, back in the day we had bad and mediocre TV, too.
Edited on Sun Jul-24-11 09:44 PM by WinkyDink
Of course, I loved every minute then, also!

"Queen for a Day"! Yesssss!
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madmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 09:43 PM
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16. I am proud to say I have never seen even one episode of any of these "shows".
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 03:39 AM
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41. Me too...nt
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MissDeeds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 07:17 AM
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55. Neither have I n/t
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 09:45 PM
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17. It is really VERY simple arithmetic, no "conspiracy": Cheap to produce + Big Ad $$ = Higher profits.
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 10:35 AM
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72. also that there's more stuff on now, so there's bound to be more lame shows
There was plenty of pablum in decades past, but with only three channels to fill there weren't nearly as many programs available. So in raw numbers, with scores of cable channels needing content, there are more lame shows now. Plus when you note that many cable channels (vh1 and mtv come to mind) repeat content ad nauseum to keep costs down, it seems as though those shows are on all the time.

Fortunately there are a lot of good shows available as well.
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City of Mills Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 09:48 PM
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19. I cancelled my cable two weeks ago
I have never, ever been happier. I don't even see any of this crap by accident now. I feel more focused, too.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 09:49 PM
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20. An excellent pictorial about why I watch nothing except Dexter, Torchwood and Robot Chicken.
Edited on Sun Jul-24-11 09:50 PM by McCamy Taylor
If my cable would drop one of its 100 soft core porn "women who look like teenagers having sex" channels and start carrying the Al Gore network, I would watch KO, too.

Speaking of underage women having sex, I was at the gym where the TV was tuned to ABC. I watched a program about high school girls getting it on with their boyfriends (and never using protection), saw an ad for a show about underage mothers and finally caught the first few minutes of the 700 Club which was spotlighting a woman's first hand recount (with re-enactments) of being gang raped at age 16 by 5 men. Is that all that America is interested in right now? Underage sex?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 10:45 PM
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SoDesuKa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 03:29 AM
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40. Culture in Decline
Richard Hofstadter's 1963 book Anti-Intellectualism in American Life traces it back to Colonial America. Who knows? It may actually serve some positive function. We love our idiots!

America's practical culture has never embraced intellectuals. The intellectuals' education and expertise are viewed as a form of power or privilege. Intellectuals are seen as a small arrogant elite who are pretentious, conceited, snobbish. Geniuses' are described as eccentric, and their talents dismissed as mere cleverness. Their cultured view is seen as impractical, and their sophistication as ineffectual. Their emphasis on knowledge and education is viewed as subversive, and it threatens to produce social decadence.

Instead, the anti-intellectuals believe that the plain sense of the common man is altogether adequate and superior to formal knowledge and expertise from schools. The truths of the heart, experience, and old-fashioned principles of religion, character, instinct, and morality are more reliable guides to life than education. After all, we idolize the self-made man in America.


http://www.amazon.com/Anti-Intellectualism-American-Life-Richard-Hofstadter/dp/0394703170

I remember seeing a Bush commercial back in 2000. Laura Bush appeared briefly to talk about her career as a librarian and she seemed genuinely enthusiastic. When the camera went back to George, his face had a scowling, disapproving look as if to imply that women are daffy.



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a la izquierda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 06:42 AM
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51. I need to get that book.
I just got a PhD. I'm very excited, most of my family shares that pride and excitement...all except a handful, who think I've wasted my time and should just have kids and be happy.
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SoDesuKa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 07:03 AM
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53. We Might Be Related
Sounds like your family and mine have the same attitudes . . .
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a la izquierda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 07:20 AM
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56. Hah!
It drives me a little nuts.
Then there's what I study and the blatantly racist attitudes about it...*sigh*
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 10:21 AM
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 10:03 AM
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67. Enjoy some of the best of Current TV right now
The documentary series Vanguard. You will love it. Watch online.
http://current.com/shows/vanguard/
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 12:34 PM
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89. Yes. That pretty much
sums it up. Girls are being taught that they are nothing but sexual objects....that's the message 24/7.
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swilton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 09:50 PM
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21. I really think if you look closely that it started with I
love Lucy
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BuelahWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 10:42 PM
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23. At least Lucy had talent!
None of the folks in the picture are fit to clean off the front of her sarcophagus. I'm not a real fan of ILL, but I respect Lucille Ball for the hard work she put into everything she did.
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Frank Cannon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 05:22 AM
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44. Lucy was also instrumental in the survival of Star Trek as a franchise
Not that she had any involvement with the actual production of the show, but it was produced on her studio lot, and it was her calls to the network heads that kept the show on long enough for a fan campaign to get started and keep the show on the air for three seasons, making it viable for syndication.

The rest, as they say, is history.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 09:54 AM
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66. Lucille Ball was a TV producer who found and gave the
Edited on Mon Jul-25-11 10:01 AM by Bluenorthwest
green light to Star Trek. She read the pilot script because she thought it would be about the USO or some other 'Starts on the road' setting.
Lucy and Desi along with the director Marc Daniels pretty much invented the multi camera sit com shooting style that prevails to this day.
Lucy was far more than most people think. An amazing talent.
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EC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 10:32 PM
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22. The reality shows aren't the only product promoting
stupid and greed...Next year they're bringing back "Dallas" so we can watch a new generation of greed in oil.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 10:44 PM
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24. I think it's a symptom
In troubled times, people want mindless escapism.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 10:45 PM
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25. I'll tell you what
If I was of the Stalinist variety, and I were ever to assume power, I think the people involved with the Real Housewives franchise would be pretty high up there on my list of "social reconstruction."

:evilgrin:
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 10:47 PM
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28. Someone posted something about worthless eaters. I think they are pictured here in this thread op.
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CaptRandom Donating Member (119 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 10:51 PM
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29. don't forget how it all got started...
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 10:52 PM
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30. It's the modern version of Bread and Circuses.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 10:57 PM
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31. Teen Mom!!!! OMG! I hate that whole idea!
How "cool" is this? Go ahead and let yourselves get knocked up. You might get a TV reality show! When I think of all the young people I know with a strong work ethic, talent, and heads screwed on straight, waiting at the end of the line while these useless, tasteless, mindless embarrassments are getting rich and famous... it just pisses me off!!! Because the rule now seems to be - being thoughtless useless self-absorbed pigs is being reinforced and rewarded. No wonder our country's going down the drain. Really discouraging! THESE are the "role models" our culture is offered these days.

:puke:
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 11:00 PM
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32. Hey, I know Republicans who are complaining about the effects of the CRAP too. nt
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 11:02 PM
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33. Not only are people uninformed, they're being programmed with certain process traits.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 11:05 PM
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34. Never watched any of those.
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Incitatus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 11:07 PM
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35. .
Edited on Sun Jul-24-11 11:07 PM by Incitatus
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Tallulah Donating Member (127 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 12:06 AM
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36. How does the saying go on Tru TV
It's not reality it's actuality. Except for the fact it's not anything close to being real.

Tv has become garbage and young people are spoiled.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 12:12 AM
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37. Now, could we see them all without the makeup?
They all look the same, probably because the same make-up artist is responsible for all of them.
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 12:19 AM
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38. I've never watch one of those
Do I get a prize?
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AsahinaKimi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 03:53 AM
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42. All of this is why I no longer have a TV
I hated this crap with a passion. Given a choice between Cable TV (or Just a TV) and the Internet, I will pick the Internet any day. I can still watch movies, get my news, see sporting events, and keep up with my music. I can stay in touch with friends.. or even play out my own fantasies in a 3D chat room!
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 12:41 PM
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90. Is this
young 'sexualized' women on the bike part of your fantasies??? She is pretty much what the MSM wants you to like. She is scantily clothed and has bullets around her waist....sex and violence??? Just what the MSM ordered!

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AsahinaKimi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 07:39 PM
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105. She is Lara Croft
Edited on Mon Jul-25-11 07:41 PM by AsahinaKimi
And yes, I played Tomb Raider for many years. It was a way to blow off steam. I don't do the Sex thing on the internet aka cybering. I have friends there and we like to role play. I do watch MSN.. on the internet. I don't let anyone dictate what I like to do. And if she is "Sexualized" its in your mind..not mine. Enjoy your day!
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 08:06 PM
Response to Reply #105
106. What
exactly is 'sexualized' in your mind? Black leather, lots of skin w/ bullets around her waist doesn't bring S & M into your mind?

Go play with your friends...have fun.
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AsahinaKimi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 08:42 PM
Response to Reply #106
108. What business is it of yours ?
Edited on Mon Jul-25-11 08:43 PM by AsahinaKimi
Really? Thank you, I will have fun! Yes! S & M.. Oh the evil horrors of it! That maybe part of your world but its not of mine. You leap to too many wrong conclusions, and sound judgmental but hey that's okay by me. I am pretty liberal..how about you? Not so much, I think.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 10:12 PM
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113. I believe there is more
to being a woman than being portrayed as one with an impossible body (lara craft...so you say), dressed in black leather, and accessorized w/ bullets.

Liberal? I'm radical feminist. You've been immersed in 24/7 MSM since born. We are worlds apart. Best we just call it quits. Investigate Iblamethepatriarchy.com for an eye-opening experience.

Geez, you live in SF....how things have changed since I was there in '93 when women were women. Now they're 3-D 'characters?'

Best of luck.

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AsahinaKimi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 10:48 PM
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115. I am glad this is finished.
It was as Stupid conversation to begin with. このおんなのこはわたしをこまらせています.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 11:42 AM
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116. Yes,
women gaining equality and freedom...how stupid is that?

You just hit the list, dear.
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AsahinaKimi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 09:05 PM
Response to Reply #116
117. way to twist words...
Edited on Tue Jul-26-11 09:16 PM by AsahinaKimi
I never commented on women gaining equality and freedom. You seem to love writing about crap that wasn't mentioned. Sounds like you are obsessed enough to throw crap at my feet. Welcome to my ignore!

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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 09:21 PM
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112. I turned off Dish TV when I realized I hadn't even watched it for a couple months.
I was kind of upset that I paid for it those months when I didn't use it.

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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 04:12 AM
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43. Add to that list
Bridezillas, the Braxtons, Tori Spelling's shows, the O'Neals, Rachel Zoe, and now Gene Simmons, who seems to feel that America must participate in his life, and any other aging celebrity who decides that the only way to hold onto fame is to inflict themselves on the public in a very personal way.
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quaker bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 06:11 AM
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45. I can truthfully say that I have seen none of it
I managed the first 5 minutes of the "survivor" premier and that was it. Never seen "24" or "American Idol" either...

I think it helps.
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 11:39 AM
Response to Reply #45
79. My record is similar.
I had no idea Kardashians are available in so many sizes.


--imm
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ProdigalJunkMail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 06:21 AM
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46. about 98% of TV is crap
We have DirecTV service and one of the HD packages so we could get all the cool educational/documentary type channels. Aside from those sorts of shows (I am a sucker for the How It's Made sorts of shows) and a little sports from time to time, we watch almost none of it. Even the news is shit...nothing but BAD news...

One thing that has made a major difference in my outlook on life was cutting out about 95% of news and about the same amount of other tv-based entertainment. I focus on my friends and family and pay attention to big items that might affect me and mine...but other than that...it's OUT! And I am so much happier for it. If all you focus on all the time is the hideousness of the world (and I am not believing there isn't any because I am ignoring most of it) then that is most of what you will believe the WHOLE WORLD is! There is so much more to it...

sP
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LuckyLib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 03:13 PM
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102. "Cutting out news and focusing on friends and family." Recipe for a more sane life.
The reality and cable crap? Read a good book instead -- and there are so many.
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smokey nj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 06:23 AM
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47. Reality TV isn't entertaining, it's rubbernecking.
Edited on Mon Jul-25-11 06:24 AM by smokey nj
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 06:32 AM
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49. I occasionally like to put my brain on the shelf for a rest and watch "Survivor."
What a horrible, horrible person I am.
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OnyxCollie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 01:10 PM
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95. Yep, I've been watching "Survivor" since the second season.
I criticized my girlfriend for watching it during the first season, then I watched the second season.

I liked it.

I watch a lot of the Mark Burnett shows. I find them entertaining.

Am I politically unaware? Well, I finished my course work for my Master's degree in political science during the summer, and I started writing my thesis on the internment of Japanese nationals and Japanese-Americans during WWII. I think that shoots the OP's hypothesis down.

OP's like these miss the point. The problem is not entertainment shows like Survivor. The problem is what passes for "news."
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 06:37 AM
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50. There is a new coming about being rich and bratty in Texas. Ugh. nt
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w8liftinglady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 08:42 AM
Response to Reply #50
61. Just what we need..,another "Dallas"
It will make all my talks about Texas uninsured and minimum-wage workers evaporate.
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 11:25 AM
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78. It is Dallas.
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 12:23 PM
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83. Yes, "Dallas" is returning, but there is a reality show about rich Texas brats
that has already started. It's called Big Rich Texas, but I don't know what channel it is on. One blog said it is like The Real Housewives of blah blah, but these women are about as bright as squirrel shit.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 12:48 PM
Response to Reply #78
94. At least this show will
employ some WRITERS. I like a plot...a story. I have found a couple of shows on cable that I like:

White Collar
In Plain Sight
Leverage
The Closer
Rozzeli and Isles
Burn Notice
Covert Affairs

They all seem to have one thing in common: Good over Evil. It's the only place I get to find JUSTICE. The Underdog wins! The writing is OK and most of the characters are cool. They're all on either TNT or USA. I wish I didn't have to buy all those other channels just to get these 2.

They're a nice escape to watch....
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 02:27 PM
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96. I loved Dallas until Pam's dream.
~lol. Wow, that takes me back!


I like most of those shows, too. I like Suits, too. I'm also a Project Runway & Design Star junkie. Also, I've learned a lot watching Pawn Stars. ;)
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 02:47 PM
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100. I forgot about
Suits...it's good. I, too, like Project Runway....I like to watch people create, but I could do with less of the back biting.

I watched Dallas, too. And I remember the 'dream'....lol. I can still see Bobby standing in the shower! I watched Dynasty as well....and there was another one that took place up in the wine country of CA...was it Falcon Crest?

I've never watched Pawn Stars....gives advice on finding 'deals?' I've been on a consumer strike...not buying anything except essentials like food and personal care items. But I've always thought it would be cool to work in a pawn shop or an auction house.
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 05:44 PM
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103. I think you'd like Pawn Stars.
It's a pawn shop in Vegas. The owner starts the show by saying, "In 20 years I've learned one thing . . . you never know what will walk through that door." And he's right. It's a potpourri of history.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 08:07 PM
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107. Cool. I'll check it out. nt
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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 12:30 PM
Response to Reply #50
88. What's It Called? "Keeping up with the Bushes"?
Sorry. Seen 8 years of that show.
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 06:43 AM
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52. They're keeping us distracted with shiny things so we'll stay asleep
They dazzle and razzle us with lots of noise, just like Nero putting on the coliseum circus.
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Little Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 07:10 AM
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54. I like to watch some tv, I'm not a no tv snob. However,
Edited on Mon Jul-25-11 07:11 AM by Little Star
these type shows are so frigging boring I'd rather scrub my toilet bowl than watch this crap!
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Kingofalldems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 07:22 AM
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57. I would bet that most reality tv is staged by the producers
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masmdu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 08:02 AM
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58. So, don't watch them...I never seen any of them except one episode of Survior.
Find alternate forms of entertainment.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 08:12 AM
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59. ''Outsourced'' is a nice way of rubbing our nose in their it.
Don't miss "Rajiv Ties the Barrat."
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DCofVA Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 08:31 AM
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60. Warning! The following is a self-righteous boast...
I can proudly say I have never watched a single episode of any of those shows.
I few days ago I heard an advertisement for a new show called, Big Rich Texas. I can't imagine a more boring subject for a TV show than that.
Please, bring back Star Trek!
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 09:23 AM
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63. +rec
me too lol. im just glad bbc is playing battlestar again
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chrisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 09:17 AM
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62. "The World According to Paris!?" Please tell me that's not really a show.
Plus she kind of looks like a corpse in that show promo picture.

Also, lol @ Dr. Drew.
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dissidentboomer Donating Member (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 09:27 AM
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64. AMEN..... They are, indeed, part of the problem. Part of the "dumbing down"
of the US. Bread and circuses.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 10:27 AM
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70. I can't recommend this OP enough....
TV is an utter waste of time. It has created generations of fat assed self satisfied Americans with drooping IQ and sagging awareness of the world around them. The "entertainment" is vapid, and the "news" is entertainment.

Turn that shit off permanently! Life is SO much better when you don't spend it in front of the idiot tube!
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 10:30 AM
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71. What is this "TV" of which you speak?
I've never seen any episodes of any of those shows, and I'm only tangentially aware of their existence.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 10:40 AM
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73. talentless dreck like this is why I NEVER even watch tv anymore,
except a little PBS (documentaries) online.
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iwishiwas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 10:47 AM
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74. Yes we are constantly dumbed down. And it is getting
worse with each new season.
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FSogol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 10:47 AM
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75. I'm shocked. I had no idea little Kardashians existed.
:scared:
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crim son Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 11:05 AM
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76. I think you're seeing the symptom and not the disease.
The disease is rampant idiocy. We are a non-literate, incurious and overworked people and we're being fed the only thing we're willing to consume.
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newspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 12:16 PM
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81. I don't think it's just dumbing down but
desensitizing people. I remember when COPS aired, I thought at the time it was desensitizing people to brutality. One episode, I saw a young man in a bar, he put his hands up, not resisting and they threw him to the ground and he was hurt. To people watching, it's THOSE PEOPLE, not law abiding citizens like us. And, I think most of the hedonistic reality shows are manipulated by the producers.

Last night, I told my hubby, I thought some of the advertising was getting kind of cruel, I found it not funny. The guy who has a large rock on him, while his dog is nearby and the rescue helicopter snags his cheese crackers, leaving him. Or how about the little girl who shares with her brother (pastry) and he takes both halves?

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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 12:23 PM
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82. chewing gum for the mind
yes, i do watch some teevee, but it's mostly animal shows and documentaries, never news (except bill maher). i get that online. i've been toying with the idea of ditching my cable though....it's pretty much a time waster.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 12:24 PM
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84. Stupid people have always had stupid things to watch and stupid things to do
Watching criminals eaten by lions is pretty stupid if you ask me...

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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 12:27 PM
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86. Reality TV Shows Are Akin to Offshoring and H1B Visa Programs
They both exist to undermine real talent by cultivating cheap, non-talented labor posing as talent.
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NoodleyAppendage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 12:43 PM
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91. Bingo! It's all about cost reduction and union run-arounds. n/t
J
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 12:45 PM
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92. I haven't tuned in to any of that. I recognize Donald and Paris Hilton, but that's about it.
Edited on Mon Jul-25-11 12:45 PM by TwilightGardener
I have never seen any of those TV shows, or whatever they are. I'm not sure why anybody would be interested in them.
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mojowork_n Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 12:47 PM
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93. Hey, that's for folks with CABLE.
Edited on Mon Jul-25-11 12:51 PM by mojowork_n
If you have regular antenna, over-the-air, free TV,

your program choices are 6 or 7 different daily 'judge'

"Who's GUILTY?" shows every day (like, Judge Mathis, Judge
Karen, Judge Alex, Judge Yells-an-Screams-at-Ya,

or Jerry Springer and Maury (Who My Baby Daddy?) shows.


...All of which intentionally or not make you feel like
a complete loser, if you watch.

It's really pretty Orwellian.


So very, very different from the way it used to be, when
TV was new and America and "success" were synonyms:

http://souciant.com/2011/07/dead-tvs/#more-1228
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liberal4war Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 02:33 PM
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97. I assume those are TV shows. If they are causing you lots of problems,
then stop watching. It is that simple. I killed my TV about 6 years ago and don't regret it.

Perhaps go visit your local library or a book store.
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MagickMuffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 03:04 PM
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101. Most of these "shows" surfaced because of the Writers Strike
The floodgates were opened because "Writers" wanted wage increases, and the bigwigs were going to make sure that someone paid, however, not the union workers, that would be bad mmmmmm'k.

The bigwig honchos showed "them" that they were irrelevant.


I don't watch "reality shows" it isn't part of MY reality.


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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 08:44 PM
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109. Every time you watch Jersey Shore, a book dies......
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Duppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 09:17 PM
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110. There's something wrong with the very essence of our society
When crap like this has enough viewership to survive.


Ignorance is the enemy.


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