Reid Statement: 2.7T in cuts, no revenue increases, get us through the 2012 election. Deal?

[Ruby the Liberal]

FFS

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2011/07/new_statement_from_reid.php?ref=fpblg

Not sure whether the headline from Harry Reid's statement below is "Talks Break Down -- Again" or "Democrats Agree To Nearly $3 Trillion In Cuts With No Revenue Increases":

"Tonight, talks broke down over Republicans' continued insistence on a short-term raise of the debt ceiling, which is something that President Obama, Leader Pelosi and I have been clear we would not support. A short-term extension would not provide the certainty the markets are looking for, and risks many of the same dire economic consequences that would be triggered by default itself. Speaker Boehner's plan, no matter how he tries to dress it up, is simply a short-term plan, and is therefore a non-starter in the Senate and with the President.

"In an effort to reach a bipartisan compromise, we are putting together a $2.7 trillion deficit reduction package that meets Republicans' two major criteria: it will include enough spending cuts to meet or exceed the amount of a debt ceiling raise through the end of 2012, and it will not include revenues. We hope Speaker Boehner will abandon his 'my way or the highway' approach, and join us in forging a bipartisan compromise along these lines."

1.6 in cuts? No - you will take 2.7

1.2 in revenue? No - we will take 0

Renew/rediscuss in 2012? Hells no! Thats an election year man! End the deal January 2013.






Are they fucking kidding me with this??

[av8rdave]

1. No, no, no, no, no, no, no!

When will these people grow a *&%$ing spine!?!?!?!?????

[MannyGoldstein]

2. It sounds very Serious and Adult

I want to scream lout enough to level the neighborhood.

[Ruby the Liberal]

3. I hear ya. Between Philly and MA, you think we can wake a few souls at this hour?

:grr:

[Bluebear]

4. how pragmatic!

[Ruby the Liberal]

8. Speaks volumes to priorities, aye?

I hope they have have a nice, peaceful rest this month while I (and so many others) look for gainful employment.

[JackDragna]

19. Not just pragmatic..

..SENSIBLE!

[msongs]

5. only in the world of reid and obama is this kind of thing bipartisan nt

[BeFree]

6. They're gonna cut defense spending? n/t

[Ruby the Liberal]

10. You have what I have BeFree.

No idea what the line items are. Have just been tracking what has been hitting the press tonight.

[Doctor Hurt]

7. it's really only 1.7 trillion in cuts

The 1.2 are savings from troop reductions in Iraq and Afghanistan.

[Ruby the Liberal]

9. As opposed to the original $1T in non SS/Med expenditures? Great news!!! Link?

[BzaDem]

11. How about this link, from the same site.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/07/duel-or-duet-reid-and-boehner-poised-to-introduce-different-bills-to-avoid-default.php?ref=fpblg

[Ruby the Liberal]

14. Where is the revenue?

[neverforget]

15. Still in the wealthy's pockets

[Ruby the Liberal]

21. Yup

And anyone who defends this should be hung by their toenails.

Blah.

[CelticThunder]

12. How much lower can Obama/Reid sink? Because I know there is no depth they won't sink to.

What a dark day to be a Democrat. Reid is a cowardly, craven, pathetic piece of chickenshit.

And he's not working on his own.

[LonePirate]

13. So the 2012 election will be about the debt ceiling and the pending expiration of the W tax cuts?

Is this intentionally coordinated by Reid and Obama?

The next election is going to be a painful one.

[TheKentuckian]

16. How utterly pitiful and disheartening.

We'd be better off with a barrel of monkeys with ouija boards.

[rhett o rick]

17. YOU CANT DEAL WITH TERRORIST, BLACKMAILERS OR REPUBLICANS. NO DEAL, NO DEAL. NM

[Octafish]

18. Are the rich that scary?

Yes, they are.

[jaxx]

20. Unrec for attributing a false statement to Reid.

Reid Statement: 2.7T in cuts, no revenue increases, get us through the 2012 election. Deal?>>

"Get us through the 2012 election. Deal?" do not appear in the articles used in this thread.

[Ruby the Liberal]

22. D- For Reading Comprehension. Quote From Sen Reid from the link/OP

"In an effort to reach a bipartisan compromise, we are putting together a $2.7 trillion deficit reduction package that meets Republicans' two major criteria: it will include enough spending cuts to meet or exceed the amount of a debt ceiling raise through the end of 2012, and it will not include revenues. We hope Speaker Boehner will abandon his 'my way or the highway' approach, and join us in forging a bipartisan compromise along these lines."

1. we are putting together a $2.7 trillion deficit reduction package

2. it will include enough spending cuts to meet or exceed the amount of a debt ceiling raise through the end of 2012

3. and it will not include revenues



So where exactly did we lose you?

[jaxx]

23. "get us through the 2012 election. Deal?"

Where does the word "election" appear in the statement you so boldly chose to put into bold type?
It doesn't. The word was falsely attributed to Reid.
The word "deal" does not appear either. It is also falsely attributed to Reid.

[Ruby the Liberal]

24. Seriously?

These are politicians with a presidential (and 1/3 Senate and all House seats) on the line next year,

You honestly think Congressional-speak "get us through 2012" refers to some random high school prom nomination?

You must be new at this. :)

[jaxx]

25. Seriously.

Don't put words in people's mouths.

And no, I'm not new at this. But I do think a quote should be accurate.

Thanks for being so.....nice.

[Ruby the Liberal]

27. Jaxx - I am not up your ass on this, but friend, please show me a quote

(/me pretending to be NY/Italian or something)

[Ruby the Liberal]

28. Oh wait, it get it. You want the headline to read "Reid says OK" and then have the

body of the post include details of his additional comments.

Seems there are quite a few positions at the NoTW and Post recently vacated. May be a good career opportunity!

[jaxx]

30. LOL just stick to the facts.

Reid Statement: 2.7T in cuts, no revenue increases, get us through the 2012 election. Deal?

2.7T in cuts, no revenue increases = fact
get us through the 2012 election. Deal? = not fact

[Poll_Blind]

26. Fuck that noise!

PB

[applegrove]

29. Then the Democrats could run on tax increases in 2012. They could say they had already done the cuts

This would be yummy. Over 80% of Americans want a tax increase. Bet you the GOP says no. They don't want the Democrats getting any credit for being debt conscious.

[ladjf]

34. We can win win the election in 2012 , the House, the Senate and

the Presidency.

[toddwv]

31. I'm hoping that this is just a counter ploy by the Dems.

The Republicans have presented a proposal.
The Dems are getting ready to present a counter proposal that sounds like it gives the Republicans everything that they are asking for. I'm guessing that there is a deliberate poison pill that the GOPers will choke on an refuse to agree.

Here's hoping.

[Major Hogwash]

32. I've got a better idea - let's let Boehner be President and Obama can fuck off!!

How's that for bipartianship???

[ladjf]

33. The only way we are going to get increased revenues is to regain

control of the House, to retain the majority in the Senate (preferably 60 Dems) and to hold on to the Presidency. Those goals are doable. The current situation is a dangerous stalemate driven by the Republican Party.

[KharmaTrain]

35. Also A Two-Fold Problem...

We have a short-term spending mess...why the ceiling has to be raised along with a long-term revenue problem. The government's revenue have been on the decrease and took a major hit when the economy went south and its not going to recoup those revenues any time soon. Even if the economy somehow perks up and employment drops, there will continue to be major revenue shortfalls on not only the federal but the state levels. The current fiasco is mixing the two problems and each side is playing the maximum politics in a game of high stakes chicken. There is plenty of government waste...it's called corporate welfare and this is where the real cutting needs to be done. The problem is the rushpublicans have turned this into a hostage situation with a White House that thinks its doing "big things" by trying to make a bargain with a bunch of political hacks.

I'm hoping the possibilities of cuts in entitlements will scare some people off their asses. The screams for cuts will continue as long as the rushpublicans and the teabaggers control the House. They need to be sent to the back benches and no matter what people may feel about this admiistration, the real election next year is for control of the House and restore some sanity to the legislative.

Cheers...

[Major Hogwash]

36. According to some DU'ers that won't make any difference because Obama sux too much

So, a Democratic Congress won't change anything because there is really only 1 party in this country, the Dem-Repub party and they won't do anything to ever solve anything.

[ladjf]

38. If that is the case then we are without recourse other than attempts

to launch a third Party which would likely be "killed in the crib".

[Marrah_G]

37. wtf......