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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 07:53 PM
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•••••• Arrest Sarah Palin. All who agree, check in here. ••••••




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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 07:54 PM
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1. not going to happen... but I do think she may face civil liability...
A case that would not be easy to win, but even if unsuccessful, would bring one hell of a lot of bad press her way, thereby all but finishing her political options.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 07:55 PM
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2. i am with you. all that money she got for hating and spreading hate.... give
to those that endured her malice
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 07:58 PM
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3. Do ex post facto and bill of attainder still have meaning?
She won't suffer a civil penalty, but I do think she will suffer the moral penalty. And considering how far fallen celebrities can fall, the later penalty could last for the rest of her life.

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AsahinaKimi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 07:59 PM
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They didn't arrest Bill O'Reilly for Dr. Tiller..
They won't arrest Sarah Palin for this either.
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arthritisR_US Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 10:31 AM
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124. yep, they just leave the carnage for the rest of us to clean up :( n/t
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 07:59 PM
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4. You can't arrest people for stupidity unless there is
a law stating that, and I don't think Arizona has any other laws she could be arrested by.
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NuclearDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 08:01 PM
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7. They could arrest her for criminal negligence
If it turns out this guy WAS inspired by Palin and the Tea Party, and had taken that poster of hers to heart, she could very well faces charges.

I mean, seriously, what could she have REASONABLY expected was going to happen by putting up a poster like that in a highly-charged political climate where many of her constituents have carried guns to rallies or made death threats?
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 08:47 PM
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46. You need to read a law book or two. Unfortunately you will be disappointed. nt
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 10:28 PM
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85. What jurisdiction would the charges be filed in?
Arizona? The place she made whatever comments you're thinking of?
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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 01:28 AM
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97. Short of his saying "I was inspired by Sarah Palin and the Tea Party", how would a prosecutor ever
be able to prove that?

And if he was inspired by the Tea Party, which Tea Partier would you wish to see indicted?
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Xenotime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 10:07 AM
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118. ...you indicte Sarah Palin...duh
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 08:03 PM
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10. Well if there were a charge it would be
Depraved Indifference...

To constitute depraved indifference, the defendant's conduct must be 'so wanton, so deficient in a moral sense of concern, so lacking in regard for the life or lives of others, and so blameworthy as to warrant the same criminal liability as that which the law imposes upon a person who intentionally causes a crime. Depraved indifference focuses on the risk created by the defendant’s conduct, not the injuries actually resulting.

In one case, People v Register, 60 NY2d 273, 469 NYS2d 599 (1983),while exploring the meaning of "depraved indifference recklessness" the Court of Appeals ruled that intoxication is not a defense or excuse to "depraved mind murder," although it may be to intentional murder. Its analysis started with distinguishing reckless manslaughter from the "depraved indifference recklessness" necessary for murder:

"to bring defendant’s conduct within the murder statute, the People were required to establish also that defendant’s act was imminently dangerous and presented a very high risk of death to others and that it was committed under circumstances which evidenced a wanton indifference to human life or a depravity of mind. . . . . The crime differs from intentional murder in that it results not from a specific, conscious intent to cause death, but from an indifference to or disregard of the risks attending defendant’s conduct."

But the only thing that is going to result from this is no one will do anything about the hate speech and gun "metaphors" and it will get worse.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 08:13 PM
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14. Is everyone who uses "in my sights" language equally liable? (nt)
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NuclearDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 08:20 PM
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18. The public figures that get all the attention, yes
Some armchair warrior sitting in his basement posting the occasional violent message on FR wouldn't have the same reach as Palin.

But that ACW could still be held liable if the guy read his post and acted on it.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 08:23 PM
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19. So, you want every politician who has used gun-related language in speeches arrested?
Really? Who would be left?
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NuclearDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 08:26 PM
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26. I want the most pathological among them disappeared from the public eye
Gun-related language in politics simply gets people killed. At best, it's unacceptable, and at worst, it's depraved indifference murder.
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Zanzobar Donating Member (276 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 09:05 PM
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60. What about your handle?
NuclearDem seems somewhat violent. How far are you willing to go to get your ideas across?
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NuclearDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 12:40 AM
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91. Huh?
I've been using "nuclear" in my account names and emails since I was 11.

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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 01:41 AM
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104. ...
:rofl:
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 08:49 PM
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47. Is that what she said?
Edited on Sun Jan-09-11 08:53 PM by walldude
I thought she said "Don't retreat reload, see my PAC page" and then you got to her PAC page and there is a list of names with locations and crosshairs on them. Followed by this quote: “In the battle, set your sights on next season’s targets! From the shot across the bow – the first second’s tip-off – your ………leaders will be in the enemy’s crosshairs , so you must execute strong defensive tactics. You won’t win only playing defense, so get on offense! The crossfire is intense, so penetrate through enemy territory by bombing through the press, and use your strong weapons – your Big Guns – to drive to the hole. Shoot with accuracy; aim high and remember it takes blood, sweat and tears to win.”


But hey I concede I guess that's the same as using the phrase "in my sights".


On edit: If you believe this was all just an innocent "mistake" then tell me why they chose war, guns and violence as their metaphors? Were sports metaphors taken? Academic metaphors?
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 07:59 PM
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5. Hopefully this will shut her up
That would satisfy me.
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GoCubsGo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 10:04 AM
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117. Not only that...
This will likely cut off her cash cow, as nobody wants to be caught financing this kind of shit in light of what just happened. I'd be even more satisfied knowing that her puke would eventually lead to the end of her undeserved fame and fortune. For Fraudzilla, that would be far more painful than prison time.
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Zywiec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 08:01 PM
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6. Wow - Can't wait to see the result to this... n/t
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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 08:02 PM
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8. Putting out a rifle crosshair scope on someone is absolutely NOT protected free speech.





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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 08:13 PM
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13. OK, when did she put a crosshairs on someone?
Let me make clear what I'm asking.

I'm not asking "when did she put crosshairs over a place on a map?"

I'm asking "when did she put crosshairs on someone?" I agree that doing that is not protected speech in some cases.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 10:19 PM
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77. She clearly stated that the 20 crosshairs were aimed at
20 DEMOCRATS. Then she put up a map eliminating three of those PEOPLE because they were retiring. Places don't retire, PEOPLE do.

I think it's clear what and who those crosshairs were aimed at. Gaby Giffords certainly believed that one of them was aimed directly at her. I hope one day we get to hear what Rep. Giffords thinks now as I am hopeful she will fully recover.
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FourScore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 10:22 PM
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81. They were in districts carried by Republicans in 2008 - not retiring.
Edited on Sun Jan-09-11 11:09 PM by FourScore
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 12:10 AM
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90. Okay, my point still stands. That map was about people.
She let it be known they only had 17 of the 20 Democrats to worry about. Those are people, not just places. There is now way to get out of this for her, even when someone twists themselves into a pretzel, as the commenter I responded to just did, trying to defend her.
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FourScore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 10:46 AM
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126. Oh, absolutedly. I agree with you 100%.
I just corrected the "retired" statement because I had it wrong earlier myself. That's all.
:hi:
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FourScore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 10:20 PM
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79. Interesting question.
Edited on Sun Jan-09-11 11:11 PM by FourScore
You are right that she did not directly put crosshairs over a name or photo. But she did give an explanation of the map, saying that those were democrats in districts the Republicans carried in 2008 -- and, thus, needed to be "targeted".

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FourScore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 11:08 PM
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89. Take a look at this.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x158543

The names are listed under the crosshairs, so it's pretty clear.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 08:03 PM
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9. Sure thing. She's the Charles Manson of the 21st century. Many other media hatemongers s/b
arrested, too.
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SheilaT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 08:06 PM
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Name the law she broke.
We don't arrest, or shouldn't be arresting, people just because we don't like what they say or stand for. I agree, she shares responsibility for what happened yesterday, but we can't go off just putting in jail people we don't agree with. That's what dictatorships do.
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Very_Boring_Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 08:17 PM
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16. Incitement to riot, incitement to commit violence
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 08:25 PM
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24. I recommend you read the following Supreme Court case
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Phentex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 08:24 PM
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22. Wears white after Labor Day...
;)
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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 08:32 PM
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33. By your logic, SheilaT, we shouldn't restrict or regulate pesticides.




After all, the effect of pesticides is indirect and can you actually prove that a pesticide was specifically the cause of someone getting cancer? Have you ever stuck a microphone up against a cancer cell and gotten him to say, "The pesticide made me do it"? So by your logic all pesticides should be unrestricted.


On the other hand, Palin had an actual rifle scope crosshairs symbol right on her SarahPac website right on Giffords district with Giffords specifically named on the page. Have you ever heard of the term "incitement"? What do you suppose it means? Or do you think that people arrested for incitement didn't do anything wrong?


What's this -----





Holiday decorations?








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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 08:41 PM
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41. Video - here's Gabby Giffords saying Palin's words have consequences ---




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tTDiZZYCAs



Are you implying Giffords was just bellyaching or something?


Again: Incitement is NOT protected free speech.




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Kievan Rus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 09:45 PM
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69. Incitement to commit murder, inciting a riot
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 01:34 AM
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101. Inciting violence, sedition.
Edited on Mon Jan-10-11 01:45 AM by Jamastiene
Sedition for putting out a hit on a United States Congresswoman. Inciting violence for the violent rhetoric and imagery that led to an assassination attempt on a United States Congresswoman by one of Palin's followers.

Yes. I'm serious.
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Mojeoux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 03:38 AM
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110. They put teens in Juvie for having scull pictures in their notebooks.
This goes on all over in schools since the Columbine tragedy.
Don't lock her up, just make her wear a muzzle, like the circus grizzly bears do.
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SheilaT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 10:23 AM
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121. Considering all of the right wingers out
there, like Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, etc, who have EXPLICITELY called for assassination of public figures (including Obama) and not one of them has been arrested, quite frankly Palin's crosshairs stunt is small potatoes.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 08:06 PM
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11. Arrest her for what charges? Unrec for hyperbole. Hold her responsible for hate speech/rhetoric, but
I don't know what she could be arrested for.
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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 08:49 PM
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48. Arrest her for incitement to murder against a specific individual she explicitly named.



Oh wait a minute. Gabby Giffords is not specifically mentioned in the GOP's copy of the Constitution. I guess that means it's okay for Palin to threaten her....



Yeah right.........




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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 08:59 PM
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54. That would be nice. Probably never happen, but I'd like to see her held liable beyond
Edited on Sun Jan-09-11 09:04 PM by uppityperson
"oh now I can't get elected". I'd like to see hate speech, hate rhetoric, oh I don't know, limited in some way. I don't know how to do that either.

Not your enemy here, please tone it down. I am so fucking tired of "you are with us or against us" first from shrub, now from here and there. Dichotomous thinking has really contributed to the hatefulness, is part of the hateful rhetoric and I don't like it. It doesn't have to be "oh never mind all is fine" or "arrest her". Seriously.

Thank you.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 08:08 PM
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 08:14 PM
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15. oops, sorry, i meant to rec this and hit unrec by mistake. just wanted to let you know.
...my error.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 08:18 PM
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17. Checking in!
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 08:23 PM
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20. Incitement to commit mayhem, or whatever else they can stick on her.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 08:24 PM
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21. no. just no. sometimes duers scare me.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 08:26 PM
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25. +1
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 08:27 PM
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27. Too fucking true, cali. Too fucking true. nt
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 08:32 PM
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34. +1. nt
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 08:25 PM
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23. It's offensive to even consider that.
Evidently I'm working from a different definition of Progressive than some folks. :puke:
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patrick t. cakes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 08:28 PM
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28. +1
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Kaleva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 08:28 PM
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29. Unrec'd.
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Texasgal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 08:29 PM
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30. She will never be arrested... for this anyway.
To me the court of public opinion works much better. There are many of Americans who find her hate speech dangerous. She'll never get around this. She's toast.
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maritimer Donating Member (37 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 08:30 PM
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31. The families and wounded should be able to sue and
Go after Palin's deep pockets. That'll put a damper in her day.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 08:31 PM
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32. Right. Kill the witch! Kill the witch! Mob hysteria is so much fun to watch.
:eyes:

You're just giving into the same kind of eliminationist irrationality that fires up the Right. Is that really where you want to go?

Unrec.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 08:33 PM
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35. +1 and evidently it's right where quite a few duers want to go.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 08:40 PM
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39. I swear, sometimes DU is nothing but a mirror image of FR.
All reptilian brain all the time, and nary a frontal cortex to be found.

:sigh:
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NuclearDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 08:41 PM
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40. I'm sorry but...
Edited on Sun Jan-09-11 08:43 PM by NuclearDem
Are we exactly wrong to demand justice be done against someone who without pause or backwards glance has REPEATEDLY and recklessly incited her base to violence through heated rhetoric? Since these people aren't ever going to realize that their nonsense has real world consequences, something has GOT to shut them up before more innocent people die.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 08:46 PM
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45. Justice? She's broken no laws, period.
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NuclearDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 08:53 PM
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49. A competent DA could very easily make an argument for depraved indifference murder
Very well could do the same thing against most of FR, Kelly, and Angle. Why do you think Rimjob and Kelly took their websites down last night?

Look, all you need to prove depraved indifference is that the person accused of it acted with such a reckless disregard for human life or safety that they could carry the same liability as the person who actually committed the murder.

From Uslegal.com: "Depraved indifference focuses on the risk created by the defendant’s conduct, not the injuries actually resulting."

Risk from Palin's conduct: inserting gun-related language and implying that a Congresswoman was to be "targeted" through crosshairs, even if just politically. A fair number of Palin's constituents have demonstrated intent or potential to act violently even before that image came out, and I strongly doubt Palin didn't know about that.

There you go. Guilty of depraved indifference murder. That's equivalent to second-degree murder in most jurisdictions.
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 08:56 PM
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52. Not a jury on Earth would return a conviction.
DAs don't file on quixotic whim.
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NuclearDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 09:00 PM
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55. Quixotic whim being the murder of six people and the attempted murder of a Congresswoman?
I'd rather see it go to trial before I start judging whether a jury would convict.
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 09:02 PM
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57. Quixotic whim being the notion that
you'd convince a dozen jurors that a map with a bunch of crosshairs on it rises to the level of incitement to murder. DAs don't file unless they're damned sure they have a chance of winning.
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NuclearDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 09:04 PM
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58. It's not just the map though
You can go to any one of Palin's gun metaphors and her refusal to denounce violence to show guilt. The map simply is the one that puts Giffords into the picture.
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OneTenthofOnePercent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 12:45 PM
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140. Refusal to speak or denounce something IS NOT an admission of guilt.
Edited on Tue Jan-11-11 12:47 PM by OneTenthofOnePercent
Remember, in the court of law there is a presumption of innocence. The state has to PROVE guilt. Furthermore, even if you could prove that silence is admissible evidence for confession to guilt (a laughable concept), the fact that the such past silences are exhibited by Palin herself would mean that such evidence would be self-incriminating... which is also inadmissible.

The best DA's in the nation might be able to file such a case somewhere in the US... and any C+ law student would be able to easily defend such a case for an acquittal. There is no case against palin... no laws were technically broken.
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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 01:32 AM
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100. First, a Grand Jury would have to return an indictment. I don't think that would ever happen. n/t
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 09:07 PM
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61. bullshit of the first order. gad, where do you come up with this shit?
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NuclearDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 12:41 AM
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92. Same place you're getting the idea Palin should get off scott free for this
Edited on Mon Jan-10-11 12:58 AM by NuclearDem
You got an actual counterargument to it, or are you just going to call me an idiot?

What's your alternative? We sit around talking to them about this? We've got to shut up the militia movement and the right wing terror movement NOW--and since Palin won't listen to us when it comes to common decency, it's about time she answered to the law. Even if the charges don't stick, maybe just being charged at all with second-degree murder might make Palin think "Gee, maybe this violent imagery isn't good for me OR this country, maybe I should knock it off!" And then she can convince her followers, who'll actually listen to her, to knock it off as well. It's time to show the right we're not fucking around when it comes to our lack of tolerance for violence.

We shut the militias up too late in the 90s--we had to put a truck bomber on trial and sentence him to death before those assholes disappeared for ten years. If we don't take legal action NOW to shut them up, we're going to have another Oklahoma City. We're going to have more murders. We're going to have more death threats.

Believe it or not, some of us here are actually interested in seeing justice done, not just some political hit job on someone we don't like.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 03:50 AM
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112. except I don't believe she should get off scot free. I believe she should be
held accountable in the court of public opinion.

There are no criminal charges to be brought against her.
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NuclearDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 04:00 AM
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113. I think it needs to be a mix of both, but I'll just agree to disagree on this
Sorry, didn't mean to sound like an asshole earlier, emotions are just running high on my end I think. :)
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Texasgal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 08:54 PM
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50. I know for myself
that I don't believe she is directly involved, but I DO believe that her hateful speech is inciting the tea party.

I believe that she is indirectly polarizing our country politically.

I don't believe that she should be arrested. I do not believe that she is directly accountable.

I think there is a difference. She didn't pull the trigger, but she has been successful in dividing us.
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Imajika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 08:38 PM
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36. Utterly ridiculous...
Do you even know if Loughner was even slightly interested in Sarah Palin or anything she or her PAC had to say?

Your not really suggesting Palin be arrested for that stupid "target" list she put out are you? While utterly tasteless and in keeping with what one might expect from Caribou Barbie, it is certainly not grounds to charge her with anything. Do you even have a clue whether Jared had even seen this "target" list? I somehow doubt it.

Some of the stuff I've seen on DU since this assassination attempt has been beyond idiotic.

Sometimes crazy people do crazy things. Period. Sad, but true.
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Very_Boring_Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 08:39 PM
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37. Lock her up. She is now the leader of a terrorist organization.
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 08:42 PM
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42. It's stupid when the Right throws that shit around.
It's even MORE stupid when we do, because we're supposed to KNOW BETTER!
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 08:40 PM
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38. You can't spell "terroristas" without TEA.
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Zywiec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 08:44 PM
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43. The greatest, current post on DU which states Sarah Palin put a hit out on someone
Edited on Sun Jan-09-11 08:45 PM by Zywiec
has over 330 RECs, but now no one thinks she should be arrested?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=greatest_threads

:shrug:

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Balbus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 09:42 PM
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67. Just means that more stupid people have looked at that thread than this one.
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udbcrzy2 Donating Member (572 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 08:45 PM
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44. Her attorney probably already started liquidating her assets n/t
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johnnyrocket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 08:54 PM
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51. Right, a civil lawsuit! That could work!
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 08:56 PM
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53. Time we learnd that 'no action' = tacit aproval n/t
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 09:02 PM
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56. Unrec - Sarah did not pull the trigger - condem her - yes, arrest her - silly.
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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 09:10 PM
Response to Reply #56
62. Oh really, Jillan? Why condemn Palin if she did nothing wrong?



And if she DID do something wrong, what would that be if you are so sure she bares no responsibility in the murder?


Hm?




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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 09:48 PM
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71. Exactly what charges should she be arrested on? She's not the one that committed or plotted this
crime.

Did she stir up emotions in crazy people? Most likely, but I don't believe she can get arrested for that.
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NRaleighLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 09:05 PM
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59. She needs a national "ignore", not arrest. Any publicity, any mention is too much.
She certainly incites hatred. And likely violence.
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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 09:15 PM
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63. NRaleighLiberal, are you suggesting that with the right wing noise machine in this country,




if we just ignore Palin, she will just magically disappear?




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NRaleighLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 10:13 PM
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76. I am not saying it is possible...I am saying that it is my sincere wish.
I can dream, can't I...
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Politicalboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 09:15 PM
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64. Let's start by
Writing to TLC and tell them our disgust that they are still showing her TV show after this tragedy. Tiger Woods had an affair (affairs) and look what happened to him. She needs to be shunned and if enough complain to TLC maybe they will no longer show that bitch on TV every week. She still gets money for reruns. This bitch needs to be shut up forever. Sure wish some hacker would hack tonights show. LOL!

http://tlc.discovery.com/

http://corporate.discovery.com/contact/viewer-relations/
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 09:20 PM
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65. You're a little late. Her show wasn't renewed for a second season, the paperwork was done 2 days ago
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Politicalboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 09:40 PM
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66. Yes I know that
They do show reruns, and it seems to be on every time I change the channel. I catch it by her voice. LOL! Like fingernails on a chalkboard. And from the TLC line up, it seems to be one more than once in a day. Just because of this tragedy in Az they shouldn't show tonights show. It's a 2 hour show. I guess the last for the season. Well I wrote to them. Look at all the endorsements Tiger Woods lost over his sex life. This deserves that and more. Granted TLC should have known better. The map with sights on them have been there for a long time.
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tnvoter Donating Member (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 09:43 PM
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68. agree.
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Kievan Rus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 09:46 PM
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70. +10000. She should be arrested for incitement to murder.
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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 09:57 PM
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72. I just had the strangest dream.



I dreamt that I had started a "be nice to Republicans" club. I had taken a nap. But when I woke up, I discovered that it wasn't a dream after all and I really HAD started a "be nice to Republicans" club!

The proof? Some of the "Let's not pick on Palin" posts above in this thread I just started!

I must be entering an alternate reality......

Or maybe it's just DU self-immolating itself.........



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Nye Bevan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 10:10 PM
Response to Reply #72
74. If you don't want DUers to defend Republicans
don't start threads containing embarrassing, ridiculous hyperbole that more reasonable DUers feel forced to counter.

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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 10:20 PM
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78. Nye Bevan, you have a very tortured definition of human responsibility.





You seem to think that unless Palin was personally holding a smoking gun she bares no responsibility in this.





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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 10:27 PM
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83. In terms of legal responsibility, that's basically the standard
Incitement charges really aren't made unless the inciter deliberately and explicitly convinces the agent to commit the crime.

It would be impossible to prove Sarah Palin actually wanted anyone shot, which is the crucial element of the crime. Come to think of it, even I don't think she actually wanted someone shot.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 10:34 PM
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88. +1
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NuclearDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 01:09 AM
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94. It's not that she actually wanted someone to be shot
It's that she was aware of the dangers of that sort of language and her knowledge that many people following her have violent tendencies, but she still wen through with the violent imagery anyway.

Wasn't she the VP candidate when people were screaming "Kill him!" and "Traitor!" about Obama during the campaign? She's gotta know some of her followers would literally put a Dem in the crosshairs if they had the chance, and they might very well see that map she put up as a nudge in that direction, or a subtle encouragement from their leader to carry out those acts. God knows she hasn't ONCE condemned violence.
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 09:19 PM
Response to Reply #83
135. I think she did want someone shot
Shoot with accuracy; aim high and remember it takes blood, sweat and tears to win

PALIN: "To the teams that desire making it this far next year: Gear up! In the battle, set your sights on next season's targets! From the shot across the bow -- the first second's tip-off -- your leaders will be in the enemy's crosshairs, so you must execute strong defensive tactics. You won't win only playing defense, so get on offense! The crossfire is intense, so penetrate through enemy territory by bombing through the press, and use your strong weapons -- your Big Guns -- to drive to the hole. Shoot with accuracy; aim high and remember it takes blood, sweat and tears to win. http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=375184908434

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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 10:32 PM
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86. Thank you, that was very well put. (nt)
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 01:49 AM
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105. Exactly. nt
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 01:32 AM
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98. "don't arrest her" does not = "let's not pick on palin"
Onward with the dichotomous thinking.
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philly_bob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 10:09 PM
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73. Do not agree on arrest. Would like to see House Resolution. (nt)
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 10:12 PM
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75. No. But she should get her ass sued!!!
I'm not sure there is anything to arrest her for. Definitely lawsuit potential, though.
Take OJ Simpson, for example. The criminal case against him lost, but the civil suit was successful.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 10:22 PM
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80. I can't think of any criminal charges that would stick.
Unfortunately.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 10:26 PM
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82. I don't care if she's arrested, I'd prefer to just end her public career
that would make me happy
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Zoeisright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 10:28 PM
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84. You bet. She needs to be made an example of. Arrest Angle, Brewer, and
the other nuts who have deliberately called for gun violence over the past 3 years.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 10:33 PM
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87. In!
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timtom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 12:47 AM
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93. Without a doubt.
Consequences for all and sundry...not just some.
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begin_within Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 01:12 AM
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95. You betcha.
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ProudToBeBlueInRhody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 01:25 AM
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96. If there is proof he ever saw that website.....
.....or linked to a board that had that posted, I'd be all for it.

If he didn't, then there's nothing there.
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 01:32 AM
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99. She was warned to tone down her violent rhetoric by the Secret Service already.
Yet, she continued to incite violence. It happened. She should be arrested for inciting violence at the very least. Putting out a hit on a United States Congressswoman is against the law too. Sounds like treason to me.
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 01:36 AM
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102. no
she should be shamed by popular opinion, but I don't think she should be arrested.
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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 01:49 AM
Response to Reply #102
106. So, Fishwax, is it your testimony then that Palin did nothing wrong? Then why shame her?



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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 12:40 PM
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127. how did you get that from my post? Your second question makes your first seem silly.
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 01:37 AM
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103. What a ridiculous post. nt
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ohheckyeah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 02:00 AM
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107. And just what would the charge be?
Not something made up but a real, prosecutable charge?

Frankly the OP is just plain silly.
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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 02:57 AM
Response to Reply #107
108. How bout incitement to murder?


Palin mentioned Giffords by name and put a rifle scope target on her district.

Is that so hard to understand?


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Nye Bevan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 10:27 AM
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122. In 2008 Obama mentioned McCain by name, and said "if they bring a knife, we bring a gun".
So if someone had shot McCain and used this statement as justification, you would have called for the arrest of Barack Obama, right?

Right?
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ohheckyeah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 07:26 PM
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132. I understand
I just don't think it will happen or hold up in court.
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Betty Karlson Donating Member (902 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 03:02 AM
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109. Check. n/t
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ffr Donating Member (84 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 03:47 AM
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111. A class action suit should be sought.
Have you seen the feeding frenzy on Fox? This works to their betterment too. More viewers, more ad time. Win. Win.
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HopeHoops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 09:54 AM
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114. K&R - if she was dark-skinned, she'd already be in prison.
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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 10:03 AM
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115. SIGN THE PETITION TO INDICT PALIN
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Xenotime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 10:04 AM
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116. Yes. Arrest her.
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bullwinkle428 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 10:10 AM
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119. I'm content with making her utterly irrelevant on the American political scene.
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eowyn_of_rohan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 10:21 AM
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120. This is an example of Over the Top LW rhetoric that gives the RW fodder to use against us
Edited on Mon Jan-10-11 10:25 AM by eowyn_of_rohan
While I ABHOR Palin's "vitriol" (along with Coulter's, Beck's, Limbaugh's etc , plus that of the entire freakin' tea bagger "party"), you cannot "arrest" any of them because there is no proof of direct cause and effect, no one thing or person is completely to blame, and because our Constitution allows us Freedom of Speech. Calling for Palin to be arrested makes us look as ignorant as the RW'ers...

adding:
Please read the Supreme Court case (Brandenburg v. Ohio, 395 US 444 (1969)) contributed by onenote at post #24
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 10:30 AM
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123. I don't think they'll arrest her.
I do think she should get the Code Pink treatment, though.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x147541
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laruemtt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 10:32 AM
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125. Get her! n/t
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Benedictine_09876 Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 12:44 PM
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128. GUILTY - GUILTY - GUILTY
Edited on Mon Jan-10-11 12:45 PM by Benedictine_09876
SARAH PALIN, JESSE KELLY, SHARON ANGLE, JOHN BOEHNER, ANN COULTER, RUSH LIMBAUGH, RUPERT MURDOCH, GLENN BECK AND FINANCIAL SUPPORTERS OF THE RADICAL RIGHT AND THE TEA PARTY, INCLUDING THE KOCH BROTHERS.

GUILTY OF:

a. Inciting Violence against United States Government Officials
b. The Terrorist Act of using threats of violence for the purpose of political intimidation
c. Violating United Nations Security Council Resolution 1624(expressing views that foment, justify or glorify terrorist violence in furtherance of particular beliefs, and seek to provoke others to terrorist acts.

The "Official Convention Souvenier Shopping Booth" at every Republican Convention since 2004 has featured buttons and bumper stickers that state:

"If They Take Our Guns How Can We Shoot Liberals?"

Why has the Republican Party has been allowed to sanction violence against Americans for nearly 10 years?

Extreme? To a person with mental instability- that is easily all the sanction they need. That is why people who have state or media power have always in the past been careful with words. They know their words carry extra weight- and to a mentally unstable person that sanction can be transferred.

GREAT IMAGES ON THIS - FREE FOR USE.
http://keepgovernmentout.blogspot.com/2011/01/palin-reloads-aims-for-giffords-sept-29.html
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 01:05 PM
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129. No
Edited on Mon Jan-10-11 01:16 PM by izzybeans
We will become them, then.

She took part in a widespread climate of aggression. We can not lock up an entire segment of our political sphere, all of whom used the same violent rhetoric. If it turns out he was a big Palinite, then this should be made public and Palin should be confronted in public over public airwaves.

Public shaming is the best we can do in a free society.
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workinclasszero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 01:16 PM
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130. She should be sitting in a cell now
But in the fascist kochland we live in Sarah will still be putting out kill orders on Fox and Hate radio 24/7.
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ItNerd4life Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 01:20 PM
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131. Democrats IQ drops to that of Republicans. This post is sad. nt
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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 11:16 PM
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136. Sounds like highly generic cheek turning on your part, ItNerd4life.




Are you aware that there are laws in this country? Or are you making them up too?







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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 12:32 PM
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139. And look who's talking.



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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 07:28 PM
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133. No. She'd be made a martyr and her followers would really go nuts.
Civil suits would be effective; take all her money.
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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 08:28 PM
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134. Her followers would really go nuts???? Good thing that hasn't happened yet........





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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 11:18 PM
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137. Investigate
it's reasonable to ask for an investigation, then we'll see.
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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 12:37 AM
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138. Good idea.



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Shining Jack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 01:11 PM
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141. Put her in the slammer....
For her protection? :evilgrin:
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cleanhippie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 01:13 PM
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142. Arrest her for what?
If there is a legitimate charge, I am all for it!
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