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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 11:56 AM
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In the end, Democrats will cave to do the right thing, and the Pukes will take advantage of it
And will suffer NO consequences for their actions.



Democrats, the chickenshit wing of politics, cluck cluck. This should have been done months ago. The President should have been on his soapbox in APRIL not July.


Booshe said jump, the Pukes asked how high.



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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 11:57 AM
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1. But there's one problem. Caving in to this is not 'the right thing.' nt
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fivepennies Donating Member (419 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 12:22 PM
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4. + 1
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louis-t Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 12:16 PM
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2. Repugs complained Obama didn't get in soon enough
now they're complaining he's messing things up and should back off. Whiny crybabies.
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 12:18 PM
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3. Dain, are you saying creating the greatest depression ever for playing politics
is the right thing???
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 12:31 PM
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5. No, the president should have stopped playing nice 4 months ago
it's not even the two minute warning now, it's 3rd and 10 on the 20 with no timeouts against the best political machine in history.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 12:33 PM
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6. Thank GAWD the "good cop" saved us from his unreasonable partner!!!!1!!!
That was close!
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 01:53 PM
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7. I disagree: I think the Dems will cave and do the WRONG thing.
But then the rest like you laid out.
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Parker CA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 02:08 PM
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9. Looking more and more like we're gonna be fully screwn. MSNBC claiming Reid's plan will be DOA
Edited on Mon Jul-25-11 02:09 PM by Parker CA
in Senate bc GOP will oppose as a block, and that will then leave Boehner's plan as only one standing having passed the House. Choice will then be whether or not to start over again at the last minute or for Senate to ram through Boehner plan and have Obama sign it. Obama has said he won't sign anything with short-term extension, but at the very last minute he may be forced to.
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sofa king Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 02:23 PM
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10. You should ask yourself who owns that debt we're going to default on.
"Wealthy Republicans" is one of the largest groups. And they bought the Republican Party fair and square. So if the teabaggers continue to get in the way, heads will start rolling.

We have no reason not to take this to the very brink, and even beyond. They have every reason not to let it happen, and are merely insulting the President's sense of responsibility by playing brinksmanship.

I am convinced that at this point, what's really holding up negotiations is the fact that the Republicans in Congress who really know what their options are at this point are afraid to tell their rank and file what they're about to get, which is a pinch less sand in the Vaseline if they ask nice.
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Parker CA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 02:41 PM
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11. Haha. Great last sentence. So what do you see as the resolution to this debacle?
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sofa king Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 08:21 AM
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12. I think the President just fired the first shot across their bow.
I've noticed that this President, when he's up to something particularly tricky, telegraphs his punch by casually saying he doesn't want to drop the other shoe.

Here he is hinting that he has another shoe, but doesn't want to drop it:

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/07/25/obama-working-without-congress-tempting/

But he is going to drop it. Soon, he's going to inform Congress that if he doesn't get the debt ceiling raised, he's going to invoke the provisions of NSPD-51, or a similar anti-terror provision from somewhere else, and begin using the authority the previous President claimed he had to "coordinate" the efforts of Congress, because it's Congress that created the emergency.

When confronted with a plan, a list of authorities largely populated by Republican-passed laws from the 00s, and an outlined plan of action that allows the President to do whatever the hell he wants, enforced by the nations' armed forces, Members of Congress are going to shit their pants. Most of them have no idea they already turned over this much authority to the White House.

What I don't know is what, exactly, the President wants. The obvious answer is he wants the debt ceiling raised. But he also likes to make the Republicans pay for any prolonged negotiation by using their greed against them and forcing them to sacrifice future electoral viability. That's why his own plans closed tax loopholes for the rich, because the Republicans will give away almost everything else to prevent that from happening. He's also more than happy to offer future concessions that can be easily reversed at a later time--like the health care compromise, for example.

So here's what a successful outcome will have: a two-year raising of the debt ceiling, so that the GOP cannot return to it before the election; some sort of "compromise" that will outrage the people here at DU but which will not go into effect until 2013, when the presumed overwhelming Democratic majority in Congress can walk it back, creating an impetus for Democrats to vote; and something else, a "penalty extraction" if you will, that the President will take away from the Republicans just because they're being assholes.

Last week the press mentioned that one of the big goings-on behind closed doors was Republican attempts to reverse the ass-whipping they got from the last "compromise" they reached, over tax cuts. That issue alone is going to kill them in the next election if they don't get the tax cuts further extended. That's the one thing the President won't relax. But he will definitely give them some hollow thing to beat on so that they too can claim they came away with something. Even that thing may be designed to blow up in their faces at the appropriate time.
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 02:05 PM
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8. What is 'the right think'?

The 'right thing' would be a perp walk for the rating agencies, just for a start.

What is done will be done for the benefit of the ruling class, all else is collateral damage.
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