100,000 people gathered outside Oslo's City Hall to hear the Prince and PM say this

[Ichingcarpenter]

Listen Oslo is a small city so this is massive.

Crown Prince Haakon to 100,000 people who have gathered outside Oslo City Hall:

"We must meet every day, ready to fight for the values we hold dear. Young people of Norway: You are our hope, our courage – you decide how Norway will be in the years to come."

He was followed by the prime minister, Jens Stoltenberg:

"We will not let fear break us! The warmth of response from people in Norway and from the whole world makes me sure of this one thing: evil can kill a single person, but never defeat a whole people. The strongest weapon in the world - that is freedom of expression and democracy. "


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jul/25/norway-attack-live-coverage-anders-breivik

[KamaAina]

1. Huh? Aren't they supposed to turn themselves into a police state?

That's what you do when you've had a terrorist attack, right? :sarcasm:

[Kaleko]

2. Only if it's a false flag attack.

[okieinpain]

3. we didn't do it after the okc bombing. just when people of a different

race do it.

[Ezlivin]

7. But, boy they tried

Further evidence of Clinton's hunger for more power is clear in his proposed antiterrorism bill. David Kopel and Joseph Olson recently observed in the Oklahoma City Law Review :

"The new terrorism bill defines virtually any crime as 'terrorism,' whether or not related to actual terrorism. 'Terrorist' offenses are defined as follows: any assault with a dangerous weapon, assault causing serious bodily injury, or any killing, kidnapping, or maiming, or any unlawful destruction of property. Snapping someone's pencil, breaking someone's arm in a bar fight, threatening someone with a knife, or burning down an outhouse would all be considered 'terrorist' offenses. Any attempt to perpetrate any of these terrorist crimes would be subject to the same punishment as a completed offense. Even a threat to commit the offense (i.e., 'One of these days, I'm going to snap your pencil') is likewise labeled 'terrorism.' The extra federal power created by the legislation is superfluous to genuine anti-terrorism. It was already a serious federal felony to make a real terrorist threat, as by threatening to set off a bomb, or to assassinate the president."

Clinton and Democratic congressional candidates this year are making political hay over the fact that the Republicans have not yet kowtowed to this particular Clinton power-grab.

Clinton's proposed antiterrorism legislation also greatly expands federal wiretap authority. The Clinton administration wiretap legislation would allow the use of illegal wiretaps in federal court and would also allow "roving wiretaps" — covering a large number of pay phones in the hopes of catching some lawbreaker. There is widespread fear among both liberals and conservatives that the Clinton administration could use the new wiretap authority to go after vast numbers of critics of government policy who pose no threat of violence.

Clinton's proposed legislation would allow wiretaps against suspected violators of any federal law. Jamie Gorelick, a deputy assistant attorney general, fanned such flames on May 3, 1995, when she told House International Relations Committee that tax protesters could be one type of "criminal" targeted by the expanded wiretap authority. Democratic Rep. Robert Scott of Virginia, questioning Louis Freeh on the same subject, asked, "Where would you have drawn the line to differentiate that tax protester from any other person that's just mad about paying taxes? I mean, are you going to subject them all to wiretaps to find out?" Freeh responded, "No, we wouldn't have the resources to do that." Yet, since the antiterrorism legislation will greatly expand the FBI's resources, far more tax protesters could presumably be tapped in the future. Private-property advocates who denounce the abuses of the Fish and Wildlife Service could be another easy target for the expanded wiretap authority.

The Clinton administration also announced that it had issued a new interpretation of the guidelines under which the FBI surveils domestic political organizations. The revised guidelines will give the FBI a green light to infiltrate far more private groups and political organizations. Assistant Attorney General Gorelick told the Senate Judiciary Committee that even "without a reasonable indication of a crime, a preliminary indication can be undertaken" and "you could use informants and you could collect information, and then determine whether you have reasonable indication for a full-fledged investigation."

http://www.angelfire.com/hi5/pearly/htmls/bill-terrorism.html

[Arugula Latte]

6. Also, you're supposed to go shopping (preferable for cheap China-made crap)

[iwishiwas]

8. Norway was under German occupation in WWII. They have memiors

of being oppressed.

[kestrel91316]

4. I heard that Crown Prince Hakon's wife's stepbrother was a security guard

on the island and was killed in the attack.

[AngryAmish]

5. I wonder if he is going to play "Little Red Corvette"

[sabrina 1]

9. I hope they are not descended upon by Michael Chertoff and

Giuliani with their Rapiscans and 'enhanced patdowns'. Every tragedy is a business opportunity for the 'security' manufacturers.

Ironic that the two guys who are most responsible for FAILING their country during a crisis, are the ones who are now 'security experts'.

Orwell would be proud.

[Ichingcarpenter]

10. The Prime Minster continued on saying this

'To the young I would say this: The massacre on Utøya was also an attack on the dreams that young people had of contributing to a better world.


Their dreams were brutally shattered. Your dreams can be reality. You can carry the spirit of this evening out into the world.


You can make a difference. Do it! My challenge is simple: Get involved! Care! Become members of a political organisation! Take part in debates! Use your votes! Free elections are the jewel in the crown of democracy.


By taking part you proclaim loudly your support for democracy.'