Obama just endorsed Reid plan

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Obama just endorsed Reid plan

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Obama just endorsed Reid plan
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[WhiteTara]

1. uh oh. There goes that plan.

The pukers are definitely going to scream NOOOOOO.

[Ruby the Liberal]

2. Fine. They break it, they own it.

[CakeGrrl]

9. Which is why this is being done. The R's obstruct like clockwork.

I'm sure this was discussed between POTUS, Reid and Pelosi last night.

The R's have been programmed for unilateral opposition to this President since he took office.

And it's now being used to show everyone that they're willing to drive the economy off a cliff rather than change their attitude.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

16. Republicans are already saying it's going to be a no to Reid's plan.

They didn't even wait for Obama to sign on this time.

GOP aides did express confidence that the Reid plan will not be able to get 60 votes in the Senate and that by the end of the week, the Boehner plan will be the only game in town.

As to Boehner's plan, they're not happy with it either.

Senior GOP aides also appeared nervous about selling the Boehner plan to the GOP caucus and deferred any question about whether they can get 218 GOP votes in the House for it.



In a sign of possible trouble, Heritage Action, a conservative group, immediately pooh-poohed the plan.


"Based on preliminary reports, we are skeptical this proposal rises to the occasion," Heritage Action’s CEO Michael Needham said.

Full article: http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-money/budget/173285-boehner-two-step-proposal-includes-vote-on-balanced-budget-amendment

Round and round she goes; where she stops nobody knows!

[Amonester]

36. See my reply #3.

Right on the money (again).

If the President doesn't invoke the 14th (ASAP), or caves to the hostage takeR$ plan, the world's greatest depression ever will begin (I'm afraid to be right on the money, again).

So that leaves no other solution than the 14th (and I am happy to be right on the money, again).

[Buns_of_Fire]

44. Not 60 votes in the Senate to pass?

Well, here you go, Harry. Remind them that it only takes 51 and let 'em filibuster their asses off right in front of God and the networks and Wall Street and the Kochs and everybody. We'll warm up the pitchforks...

[Lone_Star_Dem]

45. Yep. They want theater? Well, then give it to them!

It would be the best thing that could happen to us.

[woo me with science]

42. Say NO to Reid's plan with a Super Congress.

That would be postponing the theft of Medicare and SS, while adding a mechanism that will eliminate our ability to defend ourselves from future assaults.

[Amonester]

3. I 'smell' another 'No' from the hostage takeR$

coming soon.

[Raven]

4. He's going to invoke the 14th A remedy, I think.

[GumboYaYa]

19. I agree. He is setting them up to do it.

and the American people will support him when he does it.

[tularetom]

5. Gave the GOP everything they said they wanted, huh?

And here's the thing they wanted most. They now get to run anti Obama ads for the next year and a half portraying Obama as the guy who destroyed Social Security and Medicare.

And Mr 12 Dimensional Chess has played right into their hands.

[Parker CA]

8. Except SS and Medicare aren't in the Reid plan. nt

[lumberjack_jeff]

10. The Reid plan does not cut SS. n/t

[jtown1123]

24. Let's not be too hasty...what about the "super congress" provision? That's troubling for SS &

Medicare.

[lumberjack_jeff]

26. True. n/t

[mzmolly]

47. What about the ability to filibuster?

ONE person has total control as it is.

[woo me with science]

50. +10000

[sharp_stick]

18. Perhaps checkers is more your speed

the Reid plan doesn't include anything about SS or Medicare.

[leveymg]

33. The 8th Dimension Zen Chess Master is a myth. I'm glad it gives you comfort

as Obama and the Senate leadership trade away what's left of the New Deal to keep the bonds traders happy.

[WhiteTara]

20. Rumors move faster than the speed of light.

Most of the nastiest come from Fox/Murdoch. It's hard to keep up.

[cottonseed]

21. Poop

[Renew Deal]

31. SS and Medicare aren't part of the Reid plan.

And the republicans actually voted for destroying Social Security and Medicare.

[Parker CA]

6. MSNBC was discussing that Reid plan is DOA in senate bc GOP will oppose as a block. This

will then leave the Boehner plan as the last plan standing, having passed the GOP-controlled house, which will force Obama to either acquiesce and fold on his promise to veto any short-term bill, or to start over at the last minute which would likely cause default.

GOP seems to have really spun this one around on us.

There's still the 14th amendment option, but I've heard so many opposing views on this that I'm not close to certain that it's even a viable option.

[gateley]

13. Interesting - I wonder what will eventually transpire - if anything. At this

point I hold almost zero hope that they'll reach an agreement, and like you, I've heard conflicting reports about the 14th. The legal "experts" can't even agree if it's do-able or not.

What a mess!

I hate Republicans!

[Parker CA]

17. Epic shit show. I don't see any other options than the Boehner plan or the 14th. I'm sure if Obama

goes the way of the 14th, the GOP will scream treason and begin impeachment immediately. I wish there was a more clear consensus on the legality of it as a means to resolving this mess.

[Renew Deal]

30. There is another option.

They pass a clean bill. Raise the limit without anything attached to it. It's the only thing they seem to agree on.

[Parker CA]

35. That'd be ideal, but the GOP has proven imcapable of even acknowledging that option.

[gateley]

38. Ed was just saying that Reid's plan doesn't touch The Big Three,

so that would keep it "off the table" until after the election. Frankly, I'm okay w/that since they're not messing with SS/Med/Med, and it seems it's the ONLY plan that leaves them alone!

SO confusing!! :eyes:

[Renew Deal]

29. Why is the fact that the Boehner plan is probably DOA in the Senate ignored?

:shrug:

[Parker CA]

34. Apparently by their logic it's bc at that point it will be the only alternative to the 14th option.

Rock and a hard place I guess.

[karynnj]

48. I think this is what will utimately be used to trigger the use of the 14th amendment

Obama is not usurping the Congress' power, he is, at the last minute, following his own oath of office rather than allow the country to suffer a huge catastrophe. In an odd way, Obama is almost in a domestic/economic version of CIC here. - and yes, I know I am treading on very very thin ice. If Obama signals Democrats he has a solution if they do not accept the Republican ransom demands, Obama will be in this incredibly scary position.

However, the alternative is scarier. The Republicans will continue to "take hostages" for every single must pass bill. With one House, with a smaller majority than we had 2 years ago - when we also had the Presidency and the Senate, they will completely take over the government. No one voted them this power. It may take drastic action to show them it doesn't work. This is bolder than Obama has typically been, but he has a case to explain his actions to teh American people.

Let's hope he read "If you give a mouse a cookie ...." to Sasha and Malia. Let's see "If you give the Republicans billions of spending cuts", he will probably ask for changes in Medicare. Then he will look to take more money out of social security. Then he might want ask that capital gains not be taxed. (For those who did not read this to kids or who were not the kids it was read to - http://www.amazon.com/You-Give-Mouse-Cookie-Give/dp/0060245867#reader_0060245867 )

[DainBramaged]

43. Republicons want to KILL your Grandma

film at eleven

[karynnj]

46. No - the Boehner plan would have to pass the Senate - and no way does it get 60 votes

The idea that because it passed one House it is the last plan "standing" is not true.

The reason the 14th amendment might be used is that it is becoming obvious that NOTHING can pass both Houses.

[mmonk]

7. But he will be given some sort of rendition of the Boehner plan

when all said and done.

[The Straight Story]

11. One more link: White House backs Senate Democrats' plan to raise debt ceiling - NBC News

http://www.breakingnews.com/

[gateley]

12. I heard a snippet on Thom Hartmann with that reporter who's got

a British accent, and I THINK they were saying that Reid's plan is okay? I may be wrong (because I'm at work and my stealth technology faltered), but did anybody else hear that?

I'll go see if it's on his website yet.

[blkmusclmachine]

14. Let me guess Boner's response:

NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO

[AndyTiedye]

41. They Are the Party of NO

They want to wreck the economy so they can profit from their ultrashorts and
have their minions in the Mighty Slime Machine (MSM) blame it all on Obama.

[City Lights]

15. Woo-hoo!

:puke:

[Booster]

22. You forgot to add "and I didn't even read it."

[thereismore]

23. If the repigs say no to this, it will become clear to even the stupidest man (Hannity) that

what GOP really wants is to destroy Medicare and SS, and are using the debt "crisis" to do it. If they say no, I think the Pres will have to use the 14th and get a big win for himself and the country.

[Kingofalldems]

25. Russert's son just proclaimed Boner's proposal

will be the last one standing. And how did he arrive at this? The repubs told him.

[Renew Deal]

27. It's going to be amusing watching the republicans run from that plan.

:popcorn:

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

28. But, of course he did. It's the Third Way map to the Third World.

God forbid we tax the rich.

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[Sheepshank]

39. "blissful glee"

I see it used at freeperville frequenty.

Cut out that crap. Make a sensible statement spattered with some facts.

[liberal4war]

40. What I stated is true. You don't remember the elation back in 2008 that captured many on the left?

They sure bought into the Hope and Change bs. Two plus years later and the excitement has turned into disappointed. However, some people still can't accept reality.

As for "freeperville", I am assuming you mean the the Free Republic. Why on Earth would you hang out at that shit hole?

[Sheepshank]

51. r-i-g-h-t -- NOT!

I am not disappointed. You come here and presume to lay that on me? Speak for yourself and cut out the crap where you presume everyone is in lock step with your false assumptions

Still calling you on your bullshit...

...and as for your pathertic attempt to pretend you barely know freeper mean Free Republic and then know it's a cesspool, tells me all I need to know about you and your motives. Good luck with your stay here.

[Yavin4]

37. Horsefeathers: "I'm Against It"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7cry-4pyy8

[L0oniX]

49. "it's so easy even a "caveman" can do it"