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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 02:07 PM
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Poll question: How much do you trust Obama and Democratic Party leaders to look out for your interests?
Edited on Tue Jul-26-11 02:14 PM by yurbud
It's sad that this question even has to be asked, but after a decade of bowing and scraping before the GOP even when the Democrats controlled both chambers of Congress, failing to even attempt to block the worst abuses of the Bush adminstration, and when handed a mandate by the voters in 2008, the new president bent over backwards to include the ideas of the party that was repudiated at the polls in his proposals, it has to be asked.

And for the ''Are you going to vote for a Republican?'' crowd, it's still a year before the election, so this is more like a wake up call than a Dear John letter.

Democratic leaders fecklessness is unlikely to attract swing voters and is likely to depress Democratic voters turn out, whereas clear proposal based Democratic principles, and digging in their heels and doing everything possible to make them happen would have the opposite effect.

I hope Obama is re-elected, but only grading him on a curve against Republicans.

So how much do you trust Obama and the Democratic Party leaders to look out for your interests and those of your friends and family?
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jorno67 Donating Member (906 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 02:09 PM
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1. 40% for the Dems - 0% the rethugs
so I'm 60% unrepresented at best...
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 02:16 PM
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2. sadly, I can RELY on the GOP to screw me in exactly the ways they say.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 02:25 PM
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4. And you can rely on the Democrats to roll over and play dead while the GOP screws you
Sometimes, it's even Democrats participating in the screwing. FDR Democrats seem to have gone the way of the Dodo bird. Sad.
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SusanaMontana41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 11:54 PM
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14. +1. eom
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 02:23 PM
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3. Other: It's a crap poll. n/t
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 02:32 PM
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5. Trust? 0% for both. Democrats more likely to act for me, not about trust.
(Almost) all politicians work for "the man," not for the people. Democrats, if given the choice, would elect to slaughter us much more humanely.

--imm
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project9 Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 03:28 PM
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11. Trusting Ourselves, taking our lives into our own hands
I simply refuse to be taken in by all this back and forth, all
this bickering about issues ranging from healthcare to tax
shelters for the rich, right up to and including the budget
proposals to cut medicare, medicaid, and social security.
It's not for real; it is a phony diversion. These are not
stupid people.  Immoral, greedy, egotistical, liars, perhaps,
but not stupid. All involved know what is at stake here, and I
am not at all convinced that it is racism or anti-liberalism,
elitism, conservatism, or left or right wingism that is
fueling these ongoing battles.  These “isms,” after all, are
phony separations we use to alienate ourselves from one
another because we don’t like ourselves all that much.
appear to be tools that are being used to distract us, to keep
us from seeing what is going on beneath the fiction published
in the newspapers, or shown on TV news shows. I think the
corporations are taking the money and running.  I think they
have a plan and all this posturing being done by both
democrats and republicans is designed to condition us to
accept a much lower standard of living.  We are not going to
convince them to stop, not with the vote alone. I mean, by no
stretch of the imagination can Obama be called a liberal.  Any
more than we can call the Republican's claim to
"care" about the "deficit" authentic or
patriotic.  The capitalists have simply removed their masks
because now they have helped to create a massive pool of low
paid workers overseas and they can snub their noses at us. 
Old forms of racism and classism are again rising to the
surface and are being allowed to influence policy making. We
must consider that no president or boss ever came to the aid
of workers or any struggling groups unless their goal was to
keep the country from moving so far left that it wasn't
capitalist anymore. They never wanted to give us the
concessions we won, too often with our lives.  Looking back,
it appears to have been a mere tactical retreat until the
"need to belong," so rampant in all of us, was
soothed; and this was evidenced by how much we bought into
the McCarthy era, anti-communist scare and lined up on the
side of the people that had been starving, cheating, even
killing us only a couple of decades before.  

We keep blaming the two parties, the Tea Party, and everyone
else except ourselves.  All "using" is a two-way
street. If they used us to fill their coffers, what were we
using them for?  I submit that we were desperate for them to
allow us the opportunity to become one of them even though we
knew what they were capable of.  We mistake the force they
wield for real power and we covet it, try to become a part of
it, hoping that it will rub off on us and we won't have to be
afraid anymore. Had we (labor, civil rights, etc.) not been
so anxious to "fit in" with a system that had no
problem starving and killing Native Americans, Blacks, and
White workers and poor people, and doing so with the go ahead
from the highest court in the land, perhaps this would not be
happening to us now. We live in a country, a world, where
people have to be hypervigilent just to stay alive.  We have
to fight with these people for everything from clean air,
water, and safe nuclear reactors (if there was ever any such
thing), to decent food, jobs, and healthcare. What does that
say about them?  About us?  Why is this death camp
environment acceptable to us? Why are we still champing at
the bit to become and/or remain a part of such a rat race
political-economic model?  What kind of society allows or can
accept that one must vote, demonstrate, sit-in, boycott,
rally, be investigated, do jail time, or even be killed,
simply to keep someone else from killing them off?  Kill them
off with low wages, processed food, no universal health care,
the outsourcing of jobs, the flight of whole companies
overseas, racist drug policies, privatized penitentiaries
whose main job is to make a profit by filling the jails with
inmates readily available for labor exploitation and
scientific experimentation; or with bad air, water, and the
list just goes on and on.

We act, all of us, like a collective battered woman.  If we
knew of a battered wife being abused and beaten by her
husband, the way we are being beaten and abused by the
capitalists we would urge her, strongly, to leave.  We would
whisper among ourselves our total amazement at the fact that
she won't leave; that she would rather stay even though we
know that her husband is probably going to kill her
eventually.  Yet, we try and try to manipulate our own
conditions, just like the battered woman, so we can stay. 
She tells herself that he will change.  We tell ourselves
that capitalism can change; that the violence against us and
others that it perpetrates and perpetuates is something that
can be negotiated, even though all evidence has been to the
contrary, and capitalist disasters increase in depth and
frequency, as they have always done. We treat the brief
periods of prosperity like the rule rather than the
exception, just as the battered wife treats the gifts and
affection she receives following her increasingly severe
beatings as the rule rather than the exception.  We even
admire the capitalists, and many, many of us wish to follow
in their footsteps--even though they are killing us with
every policy they enact. We make no move to take a long hard
look at our own dependence on the down-side of capitalism,
and how our codependence sets us up to fail; and, we can
always blame the capitalists, democrats, or republicans for
whatevver happens. Without them we would have to become
responsible for actually developing our own resources and
creating new life models.  We would be the experts, not the
politicians, the capitalists, nor the "smart"
people.  We need to begin to question our own values and what
it is we believe in, and to honestly begin to accept the
probability that capitalism is too weak, too dependent on
despair and inequality to ever bring about the kind of world
that is so necessary to the health and well-being of us, our
planet, and the surrounding atmosphere.

I believe we are, like the batterer and the battered, in
terrible pain, and so we hurt each other over and over again
as we spin round and around on this merry-go-round of denial
and delusion which has convinced us we are powerless to
change ourselves enough to precipitate a real change in our
world.  Our relationships with ourselves and others reflect
this, so how could our governing bodies not be that way as
well. They are not separate from this phenomena; in fact the
government is the culmination of our codependence on pain and
the artificial remedies for it; two of which are "being
accepted and celebrated," and the accumulation of wealth
as a "proof" of our worthiness. The way in which we
treat oursslves and each other is the only barometer to
measure who we are; not wealth, SAT scores, positon, class,
or money. These are delusions that keep us blind to
ourselves.  There are as many obssessive-compulsive
behaviors, addictions, and OCD's as their are people.  In
fact, more.  So is the reason for the condition we find
ourselves in just the "fault" of the capitalists? 
Or do we enable their self-abnegation with our own?

I do not hate the capitalists.  How can I?  How can we? For
they and we are far too similar to honestly hate one another.
We all opt for the elitism and self-hatred (believe me they
are the same thing) that capitalism nurtures and perpetuates.
 But, like the batterer, the capitalists are killing us, and,
like the batterer, when there is nothing else to buy, or to
take that will numb their pain, they will kill themselves, or
force us to do it, for they are perhaps even more self-hating
than we are.  Why would you destroy the world you have to
live in?  Why would you set yourself up for some kind of
violent reaction from the people you are hurting?  This
doesn't sound like mere greed, but something much worse, much
harder to discern, and even harder to overcome.  We have to
decide if we are going to enable them just because we don't
want to take our lives in our own hands and at least refuse
to cooperate with the enforcement of policies that are
tantamount to Nazi Death Squads in their outcomes, both
actual and perceived.  If we continue to do this then we will
just make them weaker and they, in the long run, will not
thank us for this. Nor, should they. The time passed for
negotiation after the Civil Rights Movements and other
Grassroots movements of the 70's. We can no longer opt to
"get in," but develop the courage to "get
out."  We have to have courage to learn how to love
ourselves and from that learn to love others in a real way,
and then we will begin to love the earth, and the whole of
our environment. Only then will we take care of it and
ourselves. Love is naturally democratic, naturally fair,
natually intelligent, naturally giving and nurturing; and we
must build a practical life model with this fact as its
foundation.  

It is up to us now.
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 11:48 PM
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12. Welcome to DU!
--imm
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 02:43 PM
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 11:54 PM
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15. Sure, if you disagree with the 13-15th and 19th Amendments.
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-11 01:08 PM
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17. enjoy that koolaid...
:eyes: :rofl: :rofl:
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 02:44 PM
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7. Other: 0%. nt
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dmallind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 03:02 PM
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8. Exhibit 1 to refute the "there are no fringe leftists at DU" spiel.
Since parties to the left of Democrats have not garnered more than a handful of percentage points at best for many decades, and currently a majority of DUers seem to barely, if at all, see any reason to trust them more than Rebublicans, this screams out the question: just how small is the fringe if these people are not on it?
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 03:11 PM
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10. I think the fringe is in Washington, listening to those who write checks and later give them jobs
instead of those of us who voted them into office.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 12:56 PM
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24. the way our system is set up, it's very difficult for third parties to get on base without
being ''spoilers'' for several elections, which the party they are most likely to replace will use as a club to beat them back.

Unless one or both of the two major parties is severely out of touch with voters or evolving economic elites, as happened with the Whigs before the Civil War, they are unlikely to lose their perch.

On the other hand, right now it looks like both of our major parties are imploding, one with extremism, the other with standing for nothing, and both from profound, systemic corruption.
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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 03:03 PM
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9. I stopped trusting ALL politicians on ALL subjects years ago. n/t
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 11:52 PM
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-11 04:14 AM
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16. 0% anymore I'm looking out for myself
I don't trust anyone but myself.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-11 01:16 PM
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18. In a democracy, the people aren't supposed to trust politicians.
A good many of our current problems stem from "trusting" our alleged public servants in a sort of "Father Knows Best" avoidance of our responsibility to hold them accountable.
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-11 07:48 PM
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23. In a republic, though, you have to trust the politicians you elect
You don't get to vote on stuff yourself, just the people who will decide. Everytime you cast a ballot for someone you are trusting that they will comport themselves in a manner consistent with the way they presented themselves and their beliefs and policy positions during the campaign. Quite frequently during a term of office, politicians will be casting votes on matters that DID NOT come up and were not debated during the campaign. For example, beginning the incremental cutting and 'wind down' of Social Security. Nobody in 2008 who voted for in the Democratic primaries, could have know that this would be an issue in 2011. But here we are.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-11 01:17 PM
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19. Other.
Somewhere between 1 and 3%.
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-11 01:25 PM
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20. Right now? I do not trust O or leadership.
And that scares the crap out of me. :(
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-11 05:15 PM
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21. 0% at best but the TeaPubliKlans are so deep into negative territory that absolute
zero seems like sitting on the surface of the sun.
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-11 07:43 PM
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22. I trust certain Democrats. When you make it "Obama and the party leadership"- that's tough.
I'm tempted to say you are tarring quite a few good people, who aren't named, with a brush deserved by only a few, who are!
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