Which plan offered up in Washington to screw you over do you support?

[mmonk]

Feel free to give your reasons for wanting to get screwed in that particular way.

[valerief]

1. My backside is too sore to choose. nt

[mmonk]

4. I'm putting on rubber pants and a tight belt myself.

[dkf]

2. The funding can't keep up with the payouts so this isn't screwing us but

Being straight with us and not promising more than the system can handle. It helps to give us the lowdown on what we can expect to receive.

[mmonk]

15. The plans I've seen would further contract the economy

prohibiting a solution.

[dkf]

17. We need real growth, not the kind produced by overspending what we have.

[mmonk]

20. You are a supply sider I see.

Can you explain why the tax cuts haven't worked? Can you explain why the budget cuts haven't worked?

[dkf]

25. Cutting taxes when you aren't paying your bills is idiocy.

It's one thing to support short term stimulus packages, which probably are most efficient if distributed to those at the bottom. It's another to use that to artificially boost growth and let it go on til the debt and interest payments get out of hand.

[mmonk]

27. I saw an estimate where all the budget cutting by the states has cost

around 1 million jobs so far.

[dkf]

30. Well you could say that if the US loaned Greece $1 trillion dollars

Greece would grow jobs.

But would you as an investor want to do that?

This whole thing has turned into a debate on if the US can pay it's obligations given our dysfunctional politics.

[Coyote_Bandit]

3. The

Throw the Sorry Bastards Out plan.

I'm not feeling like any of them have earned the right to retain their cushy jobs.

As far as I'm concerned if the nation goes into default they are all frickin failures.

[RKP5637]

6. Yep! I go with the "Throw the Sorry Bastards Out plan." The bullshit

going on is unfathomable.

[Doctor Hurt]

5. Reid plan

because it doesn't try and screw us again in a few months.

[woo me with science]

16. Yes it does. Reid's plan includes the Super Congress.

The Super Congress is a blatant strategy to gain accolades for avoiding SS and Medicare cuts now, while putting into place a structure that will decrease our ability to defend ourselves from such cuts in the near future.

If you put a Super Congress (Read: twelve of the most powerful representatives of the moneyed interests in Congress - you can bet your life Sanders or Frankin will not be on this panel...) in charge of cutting the debt, you are inviting more draconian cuts than we can even imagine with the system we have now. There is a reason they are trying to put into place a committee to fast-track and shove through legislation targeting the debt and entitlements. The use of this committee process will allow pushing through of legislation that would not be passable in the regular representative process. It would be crazy and naive to hand over DEBT REDUCTION to a Super Congress in this political climate.

Wake up and look at who we are dealing with. We are already fighting like hell to protect core programs that should never, ever have been on the table in the first place. To suggest that handing debt reduction over to a Super Congress would be just like using a committee for any other purpose, at this time and in this political climate, is beyond all logic and comprehension.

I will say it again: people need to wake up and realize who we are dealing with. The Republicans are out to bring the country down, but too many Democrats are also disturbingly prepared to soak the poor for the benefit of the wealthy (did you see madfloridian's post about Hamiltonian Democrats? http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... ).

The situation of our poor and elderly is so precarious, and the voices defending them so few and far between, that to remove debt reduction from the ENTIRE Congress and put it in the hands of a moneyed few will be signing a death warrant for these programs. We are not getting the Reid plan. The President wants a "compromise," which will likely mean cuts in entitlements PLUS the Super Congress to ensure that future cuts are easier to push through.

We have entered a very dark age for protection of the most vulnerable among us.

[Doctor Hurt]

24. my answer is my answer.

you disagree, fine. but you have failed to changed my mind.

[gratuitous]

7. Why, the sensible one, of course!

It's the only reasonable choice for all good Democrats, and unless you're a dirty fucking hippie or some radical leftist, you must agree. If you don't the Bipartisan Ghost of David Broder will rise from the grave and haunt you, which is no better than you would deserve.

[Bonhomme Richard]

8. Maybe we need the Great Condom March to happen in DC.

If a million people showed up with condoms to give to the congress and senate screaming "Please use these while you are screwing us" how could the media ignore it?

[mmonk]

12. Or giant ones we could put on our heads.

Wonder if we would get press coverage?

[valerief]

19. Love that idea. But how could the media ignore the incredibly massive antiwar protests before

the Iraq war? And yet, they did.

[marions ghost]

22. creative!

Maybe the press wouldn't ignore it. :shrug:

[fivepennies]

9. THIS ONE

Kucinich's Bill to Restructure the Federal Reserve
Posted by: Robert Malin in Banking on December 22, 2010

Dennis Kucinich has prepared a bill that will return control of the monetary system to Congress as it is clearly stated in the constitution. This presents an opportunity for Libertarians led by Ron Paul to get "Constitutionalists" on board with the Progressive Caucus to end the mismanagement of our currency by a banking monopoly, and to reinvest that money into America to repair the damage that the the "Federal Reserve" has done to the economy. We need to move away from a debt based monetary system.

http://rifuture.org/kucinichs-bill-to-restructure-the-federal-reserve.html

Oh wait, that kind of bipartisanship isn't one of our choices.

[Rex]

10. None, I've completely given up on the whole thing.

I expect to get fucked over by richer people then I. That is the plan and always was the plan.

[Poll_Blind]

11. The clean debt ceiling raise + letting the Bush Tax Cuts expire, for th $3.8 Trillion WIN!

Explained very succinctly by my incredible House Rep., Peter DeFazio HERE at the DU Video forum.

PB

[mmonk]

13. That's not one of the ones that would screw us over.

[Poll_Blind]

21. Exactly! That's the only one I'm entertaining at the moment- the others are too...

...dismal to think about..

PB

[csziggy]

28. That is what I have been asking for

Every time I call my Representative and Senators. Problem is I am represented by a Blue Dog (Bill Nelson) and two Tea Baggers (Steve Southerland and Marco Rubio), so getting what I want from them is hopeless.

[Poll_Blind]

31. Jesus, sorry to hear it! Having DeFazio and Wyden as my reps have really spoiled the shit out of me

It's one of the things I really love about Oregon, aside from all the nature, excellent weed, women of loose morals and D&D players.

:)

PB

[csziggy]

33. I can only hope that the Tea Partiers will sour people on Republicans

And they will be voted out next time around. But I'm not holding my breath!

[Parker CA]

14. The one line bill that simply raises the debt ceiling. Nothing more. I can dream, right? nt

[damntexdem]

18. The 14th Amendment, let the Dubya tax cuts die a natural death, and no program cuts.

Oh, wait -- I don't think that approach would screw me over at all.

[ljm2002]

23. Di Fazio's plan...

...do nothing. Let the Bush tax cuts expire. Voila! $3.5T in savings, problem solved.

He had a couple other things in there too, but I'd be willing to just accept this.

[rucky]

26. I prefer to get shagged later, please.

[Warren Stupidity]

29. peas stop

[Raine]

32. Just bend over and unpucker, it'll go easier on you

because we're all going to get a screwing over of biblical proportions one way or the other. x(

[Prometheus Bound]

34. I love that subject line.