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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 01:12 PM
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Kucinich To Do List:End Wars/Repeal Tax Cuts For Wealthy/Medicare For All/Human+Environmental Rights
Edited on Thu Jul-28-11 01:14 PM by kpete
Here is what we should do to avoid default: increase the debt ceiling with no strings attached.

Here is how to get out of debt: End the wars -- save one trillion over ten years. Repeal tax cuts to the wealthy: Save another trillion.

Medicare for All: end the four hundred billion yearly subsidies for health insurance industry.

Renegotiate trade agreements with workers rights, human rights, and environmental quality principles: save millions of jobs and billions of dollars.

The Fed creates money out of nothing and gives it to banks. Why should our country go into debt, borrowing from banks when we have the constitutional power to create money and invest in jobs?

..........

The Rest:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/07/28/999922/-We-are-the-United-States-of-America,-the-greatest-country-on-earth-We-don%E2%80%99t-default?via=siderec
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 01:15 PM
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1. Now post his 'done' list. n/t
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 01:34 PM
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12. Here
Obama
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timtom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 09:01 PM
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60. Yeah, and I like how we're still in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Obama's list of accomplishments is mighty, indeed.

And look where we are.
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crazyjoe Donating Member (921 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 03:28 PM
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41. good one :-)
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we can do it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 06:35 AM
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73. -1
:puke:
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 05:15 PM
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50. Nice...
:thumbsup:

Sid
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 06:40 PM
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55. That's because the Democratic poobahs don't support a liberal agenda
Dk is simply standing up for traditional Democratic Liberal Populism

Too bad the Democratic Party has abandoned such concepts

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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 12:14 AM
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64. He's manage NOT to be bought out by special (corporate) interests, served
his constituents so well in his own district that they keep reelecting him- hell, even two REPUGS that I know who live in his district always vote for him because they say "he always does whats best for his people". Dennis is the lone voice of nearly forgotten traditional Democratic principles; one of the last politicians who still speaks the truth and fights for the working people of America. That's quite an accomplishment on the heavily corrupted Hill.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 11:04 AM
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90. +1
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 11:47 AM
Response to Reply #1
93. yeah... lets look at the centrists' done list
to shut you up... great job they have done huh?
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VeryConfused Donating Member (725 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 01:19 PM
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2. Since he never accomplishes anything, why have a "to do" list?
those sort of lists are for people that do more than talk
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 01:25 PM
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5. Kucinich can't do much because he isn't heavily funded by the special interests.
With his seniority he should have been head of a Committee...but he was backroomed even when we had the power and those who brought in major funding and could help their fellow Dems got the choice Committee Heads assignments. It's about the money. And, that's why folks always want to call him fringe..because whatever he proposes isn't backed by the wealthy interests that conrol the Dem Party these days.

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VeryConfused Donating Member (725 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 01:29 PM
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8. If only you had a fraction of the understanding when the President doesn't give you everything you
want
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 01:38 PM
Response to Reply #8
18. what a ridiculous comment; gotta give you credit for the highly appropriate user name, though

:thumbsup:
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 06:37 PM
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53. Bingo
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msanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 12:16 PM
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99. Um, Look up the 111th Congress. He was the head of a committee. Look up the 112th.
He's the ranking member on said committee.
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msanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 12:14 PM
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98. You do realize that he was a head of a committee, right? Look up the 111th Congress,
And look up his current assignment. He defeated Towns, in a bruiser of a fight.

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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 01:27 PM
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6. Well, he hasn't "accomplished" getting us into more lost wars or keeping Bush's tax cuts.
Like someone we know.
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VeryConfused Donating Member (725 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 01:29 PM
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9. Funny you and I have accomplished the same thing as Dennis
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 01:31 PM
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10. Too bad the 3 of us aren't in charge as the person in charge has done the opposite.
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VeryConfused Donating Member (725 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 01:45 PM
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21. Too bad Dennis wastes a Congressional seat accomplishing the same thing we did
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 02:22 PM
Response to Reply #21
28. In this instance "not" accomplishing is a plus.
Whereas, the accomplishments of the busy guy in the White House has produced a long list of negatives...and casualties.
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VeryConfused Donating Member (725 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 07:35 AM
Response to Reply #28
77. Why do you delberately ignore our Presidents huge
and unprecedented list of positive accomplishments. What agenda does such a thing serve?
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 07:39 AM
Response to Reply #77
80. -1
:puke:
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OnyxCollie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 11:39 AM
Response to Reply #77
92. Why do you deliberately ignore our President's huge
Edited on Fri Jul-29-11 11:42 AM by OnyxCollie
and unprecedented list of negative accomplishments?

You know, like these:

Obama called on the former general chairman of the RNC to stop Spain's investigation of US torture crimes.

WikiLeaks: How U.S. tried to stop Spain's torture probe
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/12/25/105786/wikileaks-how-us-tried-tostop.html

MIAMI — It was three months into Barack Obama's presidency, and the administration -- under pressure to do something about alleged abuses in Bush-era interrogation policies -- turned to a Florida senator to deliver a sensitive message to Spain:

Don't indict former President George W. Bush's legal brain trust for alleged torture in the treatment of war on terror detainees, warned Mel Martinez on one of his frequent trips to Madrid. Doing so would chill U.S.-Spanish relations.



US embassy cables: Don't pursue Guantánamo criminal case, says Spanish attorney general
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/us-embassy-cables-documents/202776? INTCMP=SRCH

6. (C) As reported in SEPTEL, Senator Mel Martinez, accompanied by the Charge
d'Affaires, met Acting FM Angel Lossada during a visit to the Spanish MFA on April
15. Martinez and the Charge underscored that the prosecutions would not be
understood or accepted in the U.S. and would have an enormous impact on the
bilateral relationship. The Senator also asked if the GOS had thoroughly considered
the source of the material on which the allegations were based to ensure the charges
were not based on misinformation or factually wrong statements. Lossada responded
that the GOS recognized all of the complications presented by universal jurisdiction,
but that the independence of the judiciary and the process must be respected. The
GOS would use all appropriate legal tools in the matter. While it did not have much
margin to operate, the GOS would advise Conde Pumpido that the official
administration position was that the GOS was "not in accord with the National
Court." Lossada reiterated to Martinez that the executive branch of government
could not close any judicial investigation and urged that this case not affect the
overall relationship, adding that our interests were much broader, and that the
universal jurisdiction case should not be viewed as a reflection of the GOS position.


Judd Gregg, Obama's Republican nominee for Commerce secretary, didn't like the investigations either.

US embassy cables: Don't pursue Guantánamo criminal case, says Spanish attorney general
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/us-embassy-cables-documents/202776?INTCMP=SRCH

4. (C) As reported in REF A, Senator Judd Gregg, accompanied by the Charge
d'Affaires, raised the issue with Luis Felipe Fernandez de la Pena, Director General
Policy Director for North America and Europe during a visit to the Spanish MFA on
April 13. Senator Gregg expressed his concern about the case. Fernandez de la Pena
lamented this development, adding that judicial independence notwithstanding, the
MFA disagreed with efforts to apply universal jurisdiction in such cases.


Why the aversion? To protect Bushco, of course!

US embassy cables: Spanish prosecutor weighs Guantánamo criminal case against US officials
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/us-embassy-cables-documents/200177

The fact that this complaint targets former Administration legal officials may reflect a "stepping-stone" strategy designed to pave the way for complaints against even more senior officials.


Eric Holder got the message.

Holder Says He Will Not Permit the Criminalization of Policy Differences
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=7410267&page=1

As lawmakers call for hearings and debate brews over forming commissions to
examine the Bush administration's policies on harsh interrogation techniques,
Attorney General Eric Holder confirmed to a House panel that intelligence officials
who relied on legal advice from the Bush-era Justice Department would not be
prosecuted.

"Those intelligence community officials who acted reasonably and in good faith and
in reliance on Department of Justice opinions are not going to be prosecuted," he
told members of a House Appropriations Subcommittee, reaffirming the White House
sentiment. "It would not be fair, in my view, to bring such prosecutions."


The DoJ has also dropped all but two of its investigations into the CIA for torture.

Failure to investigate torture is a violation of the Geneva Convention.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 11:52 AM
Response to Reply #77
96. put down the Wall Street Crack Pipe
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 02:40 PM
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 01:36 PM
Response to Reply #2
15. This is how you treat the guy who voted for Obama's crappy health care plan, against his better
judgement because the President promised to "fix it later"?

Seriously?

What are wrong with his POINTS?

Those are EXACTLY the solutions to the problems we face.
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VeryConfused Donating Member (725 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 01:39 PM
Response to Reply #15
19. Points don't pay for groceries or the rent
points are a luxury for people who are well off and don't have need of things actually getting done
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 01:47 PM
Response to Reply #19
22. Points are debated by citizens. Character assasinations are for by those with nothing
to say.
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VeryConfused Donating Member (725 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 01:49 PM
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24. You are of course talking about the professional left and their attacks on our President
on that we agree
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 01:51 PM
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25. Do you think the rich should be taxed? Or the wars ended? Or that we should have Medicare for all?
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VeryConfused Donating Member (725 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 01:52 PM
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26. Yes like the President I think the rich should be taxed
as for wars there is only one left and that one is being wound down. As for Medicare for all, I wouldn't mind it or some other system that ensures everyone gets needed healthcare.
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 01:55 PM
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27. Good. Glad we could agree.
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lark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 12:26 PM
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101. Yes, certainly, the only things that can be done benefit the rich
why even care about working class since your hero certainly forgot about us the minute he won the presidency. If Obama doesn't pursue it, well that means it's not worth doing, right?

So, truth be told, you don't really seem to care about policy at all.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 03:47 PM
Response to Reply #19
112. Policies, that is what Kucinich is talking about, Democratic
policies. So you don't agree with Democratic policies then?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 03:24 PM
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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 04:47 PM
Response to Reply #38
47. And a darned dirty one at that.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 03:49 PM
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44. You just confirmed how bad this party is by your comment.
And reminded us that we have been mistaken in supporting Corporate funded Dems under the illusion that just having a mjaority was all that mattered.

The reason Kucinich cannot get the People's Work done is because WE were misled into thinking that just because someone has a 'D' after their name means they will work for US.

Thanks for the reminder that we must never make that mistake again. Kucinich needs real Progressive Democrats to help his work for the American People, and that, from now on, is where all of our efforts should go. All those who do NOT back people like Kucinich, who is a true Democrat, should be primaried. That is where my efforts will be going this time, unlike in the past.

Go Kucinich!! And thank you for all you do to try to do the impossible, force Corporate Funded morons to care about the American people.

We let him down by going along with the theory that any Democrat will do. Never again though. We've now seen it all play out and won't be fooled again.

Thanks for pointing that out btw!
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CBHagman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 09:19 PM
Response to Reply #44
62. When you've elected 240 progressives...
....to the U.S. Congress, call me.

But I suspect you never will.

On DU, I'm always seeing to-do lists and orgies of disappointment over people who haven't lived up to DUer X, Y, or Z's expectations.

Wishing and condemnation won't make it so. National dialogue, swaying public opinion, developing a groundswell of support -- hell, just getting more people to get out and vote -- and a lot more will make the difference.

Posting angrily on DU might be a start, or it might just be a way to blow off steam and alienate potential allies at the same time.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 09:31 PM
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63. We were on the wrong track for the past ten years.
We were told that voting for anyone with a 'D' after their name was all that was needed to get a majority. So, we did that. Then were told that some of those with a 'D' after their names were the reason why the President and the Dem Congress could not get anything done.

Still, we hung in there. In 2010 Progressives went out to vote, as they always do but Independents decided that if the Blue Dogs were the problem, what was the point of bothering to keep them in DC.

Then we lost the House. And the excuse was 'we don't have a majority'. But we DID have. What happened?

Now we get it! We know NOT to fall for the 'so long as s/he has a 'D' after their name, vote for them'. No, there were progressive Dems running against Blue Dogs. The leadership refused to support them. Our money was taken and put behind Blue Dogs.

That won't happen again. We have wasted time. But at least we know better now. No more sending money to the DNC letting THEM decide who to support. This time WE will decide, with our time, money and energy who deserves our support.

It will take time. We can't replace all of them and we are up against Big Corps, but at least we can better use our money and time to put behind people WE want.

You can either help or not. It's up to you. But I and so many others have had enough of the games they play. With a strong Progressive Congress it won't matter who is in the WH. We the people have to use our resources far more wisely from now on.
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disillusioned73 Donating Member (963 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 06:00 AM
Response to Reply #63
69. Preach it sister!!
I always enjoy your well reasoned, factual and poignant posts. It is always a good idea to remind the DLCers about their shortcomings and the fact that we have not forgotten.
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VeryConfused Donating Member (725 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 07:36 AM
Response to Reply #44
78. What an odd conclusion. Wanting to have results that help people
is bad in your view? I can see why you don't like the Democratic party
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 01:43 PM
Response to Reply #78
104. What an odd deliberate distortion of what was actually stated. I can see why
you're 'very confused'.
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VeryConfused Donating Member (725 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 02:12 PM
Response to Reply #104
108. I will yield to your vast expertise on distortion
after all practice makes perfect
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 02:32 PM
Response to Reply #108
109. You clearly have firsthand knowledge of the subject. How long have you
been practicing btw?
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VeryConfused Donating Member (725 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 02:36 PM
Response to Reply #109
110. I have been a practicing Democrat for many years
and you?
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 02:56 PM
Response to Reply #110
111. Plenty of practice I see.
That was pretty amateur though ... :eyes:

Go Kucinich!!
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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 05:51 AM
Response to Reply #2
68. funny how people always excuse obama whenever....
....."the votes just aren't there," but then jump on kucinich for not getting anything done. the situation is EXACTLY the same. the votes aren't there for his agenda. that doesn't mean he is wrong or that his positions don't resonate with the population at large. it means the rest of the democratic and republican politicians are assholes.

on top of that obama, as in the case of health care "reform" and now "deficit reform" lines up the votes for getting the wrong thing done.
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VeryConfused Donating Member (725 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 07:37 AM
Response to Reply #68
79. That's not true, I understand Dennis managed to drive Cleveland into
bankruptcy so I guess he did get something done.
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donf Donating Member (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 11:12 AM
Response to Reply #79
91. Nice right-wing talking point . . .
Now, for the facts of the matter:

"In 1978, Cleveland's banks demanded that he sell the city's 70 year-old municipally-owned electric system to its private competitor (in which the banks had a financial interest) as a precondition of extending credit to city government.

When Mayor Kucinich refused to sell Muny Light, the banks took the unprecedented step of refusing to roll over the city’s debt, as is customary. Instead, they pushed the city into default. It turned out the banks were thoroughly interlocked with the private utility, CEI, which would have acquired monopoly status by taking over Muny Light. Five of the six banks held almost 1.8 million shares of CEI stock; of the 11 directors of CEI, eight were also directors of four of the six banks involved.

By holding to his promise and putting principle above politics, Kucinich lost his re-election bid and his political career was temporarily derailed. But today, Kucinich stands vindicated for having confronted the Enron of his day, and for saving the municipal power company. "There is little debate," wrote Cleveland Magazine in May 1996, "over the value of Muny Light today. Now Cleveland Public Power, it is a proven asset to the city that between 1985 and 1995 saved its customers $195,148,520 over what they would have paid CEI." He also preserved hundreds of union jobs."

http://kucinich.house.gov/Biography/

So, in fact, Kucinich DID NOT drive the city into bankruptcy, a group of banksters did. He stood on principal, refused to be bought, refused to put private interests (or his own ambitions) over the public good, and saved the citizens of Cleveland almost $200,000,000 over the next decade. (Put that on your "done" lists, some of you! I'd like to see you do better.)

I really worry when I see members of our party attack our own because they are unaware of our history, and apparently, uninterested in the learning the facts. Its no wonder so many Democrats seem to be so clueless as what a Democrat, or a liberal, or a progressive actually is, and where the center of the political spectrum actually lies. And Kucinich has gotten as "little" done as he has because most politicians are craven, avaricious egoists, and couldn't give less of a damn what happens to the rest of us.
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VeryConfused Donating Member (725 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 12:19 PM
Response to Reply #91
100. Nice right wing tactic of disputing the fact with an disingenuous attack
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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 08:33 AM
Response to Reply #100
114. that's not what i read.
defensive much? sounded more like a logical and fact based refutation of what you posted. your calling it a disingenuous attack is EXACTLY the kind of projection we see as fundamental in republicans.

and way to ignore my (the) initial basic point.

anyway, you've got it all figured out: dennis kucinich is the source of all our problems, let's go after him.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 11:48 AM
Response to Reply #2
94. since your purpose here is to shit on the left
what other idiotic statements will you be making in the future I wonder...
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VeryConfused Donating Member (725 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 12:45 PM
Response to Reply #94
102. Here, you need to read this
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 01:54 PM
Response to Reply #102
105. read it yourself
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VeryConfused Donating Member (725 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 01:58 PM
Response to Reply #105
106. No point in reading is there
when you read there's always a chance you might accidentally learn something
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 12:02 PM
Response to Reply #2
97. One might wonder...
One might wonder from your perspective why even have convictions at all if they fly in the face of practicality and conventional wisdom. I imagine though, that should you allow yourself the time for thought, you'll come across a list of notable historical, artistic, and individuals of philosophies that indeed believed that the strength of their convictions were worthy enough to maintain despite setbacks. Men and women whose conviction changes the world (though it usually took much time, and I certainly empathize with those who feel that if it cannot be done in the here and now, it should not be done at all...)



on the other hand, I can certainly understand that anyone rather confused, holding few convictions, and even less strength of those convictions would simply throw their hands up at the first sign of defeat and call it quits, spending their time merely questioning the convictions of others... :shrug:
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qb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 01:20 PM
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3. If the rest of the Dems would show some spine & get on board then we'd retake the House
& get us out of this mess.
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VeryConfused Donating Member (725 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 01:22 PM
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4. Get on board the nothing but hot air express?
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 04:57 PM
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48. Why do you hate Democrats? nt
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 01:41 PM
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103. Not to worry, I think you're already on that train!
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dennis4868 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 01:29 PM
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7. bla bla bla...
good idea that every single dems believe in but how do you get anything constructive through congress with the repubs in charge....hello....A PRESIDENT IS NOT A KING, HE NEEDS TO WORK WITH CONGRESS NO MATTER HOW OBSTRUCTIONIST THEY ARE...so no matter what Kucinich says it is meaningless...easy to say what needs to be done, entirely different to get it done because of the repubs....
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 01:33 PM
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11. Someone should introduce the powerless one to his veto pen and instruct him on it's use.
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dennis4868 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 01:35 PM
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13. TO VETO WHAT?
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 01:36 PM
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14. Any bill that raises the debt ceiling that cuts benefits or other progressive programs.
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dennis4868 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 03:17 PM
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35. didn't know...
Obama was given a bill that passed both houses of congress that lifts the debt ceiling and cuts benefits....
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 03:20 PM
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36. Which doesn't mean he can't say he will veto such a bill instead of offering up "compromises".
Such as raising the age of medicare qualification.
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dennis4868 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 07:19 PM
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56. he already said that he is strongly against...
any cuts to benefits that impact seniors, the poor, and veterans....
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 08:32 PM
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57. Why, then, did he put raising the age for medicare benefits on the table?
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dennis4868 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 08:38 PM
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58. I never heard Obama say that...news to me and the world....
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Emelina Donating Member (47 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 03:26 PM
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40. How would Wall Street like him then?
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 01:37 PM
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16. Bull. As commander in cheif, he can end the wars tommorrow.
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Emelina Donating Member (47 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 03:25 PM
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39. Like end the war against Libya!
Why should we bomb Libya to benefit British oil firms?
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CBHagman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 10:33 AM
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87. "...entirely different to get it done...."
Bingo. Executive power only extends so far and in so many directions.

To pass legislation, you have to have the votes. This is part of the reason why I suspect history is going to be kind to Nancy Pelosi. It's one thing to make laundry lists, and it's quite another to deal with a wheelbarrow full of frogs who are jumping in all directions!

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Odious justice Donating Member (117 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 01:38 PM
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17. Wow. Kucinich actually has a good idea and a feasible one.
This isn't some far fetched Kucinichy nonsense. We should end the wars, and we can. We can and should re-negotiate are trade agreements.

But, in order to do that, we would need a Democrat in the White House and a majority in congress. That's never happened! Oh...wait..right. Sorry...what we need is Democrats who are actually ok with being Democrats when it means that they have enough votes to win. Instead we have folks who want to be the "Chicago Cubs" of politics, the lovable losers who keep on trying.

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Zenlitened Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 03:04 PM
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34. ...the "Chicago Cubs" of politics...
LOL!

:applause:

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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 01:39 PM
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20. I say Kucinich, if you can't raise cash, get elected? take a hike...
don't waste our time!
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 01:48 PM
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23. You don't want to end the wars? Or tax the rich?
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 12:16 AM
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66. Translation: be a corporate whore. nt
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 06:15 AM
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72. Exactly........nt
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 02:23 PM
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29. Repeal Tax Cuts for the Rich (let it expire)
*End stupid Wars

*medicare for ALL

*Renegotiate Trade Deals


That seems so familiar.
Now WHERE have I heard ALL that before?

Oh Yeah,
Those are Obama's Campaign promises from 2008!
(substitute Public Option for Medicare for All),

and some people here have the "audacity" to attack Kucinich for repeating Obama's Campaign Promises????
That is SICK!

:rofl:



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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 02:26 PM
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31. The same people complain about kneekerk busting of Obama.
:crazy:
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dana_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 03:29 PM
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42. but it doesn't fit their agenda now
and the agenda is to support Obama no matter what. Kucinich has been consistent. People say that he hasn't accomplished much but that's because his views (that are consistent with the old Democratic platform AND that a majority of the American people support) are to the left of most of the Dems in congress now. If we could get more representatives to support him, he would be accomplishing a hell of a lot!
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 06:33 PM
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52. I agree.
That statement that "Dennis hasn't accomplished much" says MORE about the sorry state of the Democratic Party
than is says about one of the few remaining "Democrats" in Washington.

What Dennis advocates here were Obama's Campaign Promises in 2008!!!



"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans.
I want a party that will STAND UP for Working Americans."
---Paul Wellstone


photo by bvar22
Shortly before Sen Wellstone was killed



"By their WORKS you will know them."





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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 07:48 AM
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82. Empty promises apparently. So why believe anything Obama says? Seems his actions say it all.
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disillusioned73 Donating Member (963 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 06:04 AM
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70. Great points...
things that make you go.. hmmmmm
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 07:44 AM
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81. Love it!
:bounce:
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Lucian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 02:24 PM
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30. Sounds like a great plan.
Like a real Democrat.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 02:43 PM
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Emelina Donating Member (47 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 03:22 PM
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37. Isn't the legislature going to gerrymander his district away?
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Demstud Donating Member (288 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 03:52 PM
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45. Yup. Rumor is he's heading to Washington State.
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Emelina Donating Member (47 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 03:53 PM
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46. As long as we keep him.
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hulka38 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 03:40 PM
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43. That is extreme left wing craziness.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 07:18 AM
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74. Those are also Obama's Campaign Promises from 2008.
Just substitute "Public Option" for "Medicare for All".
The Public Option was supposed to "open the door" for medicare for All.

In fact, that WAS the core of Obama's Platform in 2008:

*Renegotiate Trade Treaties
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LtbLEKHsi0&NR=1

*End the WARS

*Open the door for Single Payer with the Public Option
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acc6Wn_BWlk

*Discontinue the Bush Tax Cuts
(Do I really need a video for this one?)

...but NOW, that is all "Left Wing Craziness"?


---bvar22
Cursed with a memory
I can remember ALL the way back to 2008



"If we don't fight hard enough for the things we stand for,
at some point we have to recognize that we don't really stand for them."

--- Paul Wellstone


photo by bvar22
Shortly before Sen Wellstone was killed






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hulka38 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 07:29 AM
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76. I've just learned to never leave off the sarcasm tag
on a political discussion board.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 07:48 AM
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83. LOL.
No.
You just caught me before coffee this morning.
:hippie:


Spurious Blue Link of Shame


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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 05:02 PM
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49. Novel concepts that will obviously never occur
to tptb.

Somebody posted this reminder yesterday; I thought it was timely.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFabLp-Jcbg
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Altoid_Cyclist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 09:44 AM
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84. I prefer to think that those concepts DO occur to TPTB.
They seem to spend a great deal of time making sure that none of them see the light of day. We are in a lot of trouble with the corporations having (seeming) control of all 3 branches of what used to be OUR government. I really hope that I'm wrong about the Executive position, but past events make me think that it's quite likely.

That's one reason that I don't understand the logic(?) behind tossing insults and derogatory comments at the genuine Democrats who actually try to hold President Obama's feet to the fire just as he implored everyone (D's included) to do.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 11:01 AM
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89. The logic?
It's to discredit those who make corporate party members look bad, of course.

:(
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Prometheus Bound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 05:19 PM
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51. Ending the wars would save a lot more than 100 billion a year.
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Waiting For Everyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 06:39 PM
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54. He's 100% correct.
Edited on Thu Jul-28-11 06:40 PM by Waiting For Everyman
(Note to self: delete the word "right" from vocabulary.)
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 08:55 PM
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59. Dennis Kucinich voted against the climate change bill
Congressman Dennis Kucinich (D-OH) today issued the following statement after voting against H.R. 2454, The American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009

July 2009: House passes landmark climate change bill

September 2009: Boxer, Kerry Set to Introduce Climate Bill in Senate

October 2009: Kerry-Boxer clean energy bill: Chairman’s mark and EPA analysis released

November 2009: Boxer Statement on Committee Passage of S. 1733 – The Clean Energy Jobs and American Power Act

Unfortunately, by the time the bill got to the full Senate, it was attacked from all sides. Close = no bill.

No bill equals progressives won?

There is a difference between fighting for change and standing in the way of it.

Hey, at least Kucinich stood his ground.

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 12:15 AM
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 07:28 AM
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75. Stop projecting! The
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 10:20 AM
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86. O.K. - Now, how about this (very important) one:
Edited on Fri Jul-29-11 10:30 AM by Amonester
Business owner called: (Ed Show, with Dennis Kucinich)

“I am a small business owner. Most years I make over $250,000 a year, and you know
republicans keep on saying they can’t tax the wealthy, they’re the job creators. Ed, THEY’RE WRONG.”

As a small business owner, I am not a job creator! The MIDDLE CLASS in this country are the real job creators, those people making $30,000, $40,000, $50,000 a year. Ed, you know two-thirds of our economy is driven by consumption. That consumption is not being done by the top 2%. It’s the vast middle class. People listening have to understand that businesses exist to create profit. You have to make businesses hire by creating DEMAND for their goods and services. We have a DEMAND PROBLEM in our economy, NOT a cash problem for businesses. Business owners, wealthy people, they DON’T need more cash.”"


E.S & D.K. on MSNBC video: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/43921037#43921037


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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 10:49 AM
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 03:29 PM
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115. your corporate sellout dems in name only are all worthless losers
Edited on Sat Jul-30-11 03:30 PM by fascisthunter
who have helped destroy this party and country... this man you despise is everything your side could never be, honest, intelligent, compassionate and courageous., a real democrat who represents the majority of people. You have nothing to offer...
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steelmania75 Donating Member (836 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 06:08 AM
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71. that's just common sense crazy talk.
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joanbarnes Donating Member (204 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 09:46 AM
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85. This is My President speaking!
If the Dems won't support Kuchinich, he should rep our third, "Progressive" Party.
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John Thorpe Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 02:01 PM
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107. Tax Cuts Do NOT Create Jobs
The idea that cutting taxes magically creates jobs is a lie. We need to hammer this home over and over again until people get it. This Reaganomics BS is a religion, and I think we ought to be the Inquisition...

http://www.benzinga.com/news/11/07/1817692/cutting-taxes-to-create-jobs-is-a-lie
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 04:23 PM
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113. Gee, that guy would make a great President.
He has common sense.
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