So Loughner bought the gun in November...

[boston bean]

Was it right before the mid term elections, or right after. I have not been able to determine that.

But either way it goes to show political motivation, imho.

Also, he doesn't seem to believe in the bill of rights, but he pleads the 5th???

[malaise]

1. After the election -November 30

http://www.frumforum.com/shooters-gun-was-purchased-legally
<snip>
The Washington Post reported late Saturday that Loughner purchased the gun Nov. 30 from the Sportsman’s Warehouse in Tucson.

[boston bean]

2. Thank you for the link Malaise.

[Junkdrawer]

3. Looks like his candidate (Tea Bagger) lost, so he went after Gifford. n/t

[TheCowsCameHome]

4. One cop in Boston said on TV last night

It's easier to buy a gun in AZ than buy an iPod.

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[Tesha]

6. What forms do you have to fill out and what background checks do you have to...

...endure when buying from a private firearms seller?

(and please answer the question *WITHOUT* trying to skate
away by saying "but that's not how Loughner bought his!".
If he had been balked at a professional dealer, under current
law, he would simply have gone to a private seller.)

Tesha

[LAGC]

7. And if we banned all private sales?

You don't think he would have stolen one or obtained one off of the black market?

Face it: when someone is that intent on doing harm, they WILL find a way.

The only thing that could have prevented this tragedy is if Jared got access to some quality mental health care.

[Tesha]

16. I just find it amusing that gun folks always whine about how many laws we have...

...regulating gun purchases when it turns out that,
once you look at the laws, they're a carefully crafted
network of Swiss cheese, full of deliberately-inserted
loopholes like the fact that anyone can buy a gun privately
from another party with no regualtion whatsoever.

Tesha

[beevul]

17. Its not a deliberately-inserted loop hole.

"the fact that anyone can buy a gun privately from another party with no regualtion whatsoever" is not a loophole.

The federal government does not have the authority to regulate private sales.

Ask yourself in GD if you don't believe it.

States may or may not be able to, based on a few different things, but generally the populations of most states say no.

/shrug

[Tesha]

28. If you think, for even one second, that "the Federal government doesn't have the authority to...

...to regulate private sales", try privately selling some
marijuana to someone.

Tesha

[Kingofalldems]

10. So a private sale has no background check?

How about gun shows?

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[itsrobert]

8. If you put it on credit

And how much of a background check was conducted for him to get the gun and ammo? Not very thorough at all. They missed the fact he was taking drugs. Thrown out of college for disrupting classes and acting in a threatening manner. Rejected by the Armed Forces. Mentallly unstalbe rantings. So, I am thinking the background check for the weapon/ammo is not even as stringent as the credit check for the IPOD.

[Lurks Often]

9. Do you even have the slightest clue about what you are talking about?

The ONLY thing (as currently reported) he had a criminal record for was misdemeanor drug possession which was dismissed after he paid the fine and took the court ordered program.

The college did not file charges against him.

Being rejected by the Armed Forces is not a crime.
Ranting is not a crime. And who gets to decide if the ranting is mentally unstable? You? The government? Me? (Thanks, I'll take a pass on that job)

Nice to see you advocating the invasion of privacy and the violation of free speech.

[itsrobert]

12. I have conducted background checks

So I know how to do them the right way and I know how some take short cuts. Thank you very much.

[Lurks Often]

15. Do you now?

If you have conducted background checks you should have known that he had nothing that would have triggered a flag in the NICS background check.

The only thing he was ever found guilty of was a misdemeanor drug possession charge which was dismissed from his record on completion of the court ordered drug program.

[itsrobert]

23. Maybe that's the problem

Relying solely on NICS. Maybe we should have higher standards when giving people ready access to deadly weapons?

[Statistical]

25. Maybe a better solution would be a more comprehensive mental health system

so more cases ARE put into NICS.

[Lurks Often]

26. NICS works pretty well

If you are convicted of a felony, convicted of violent misdemeanor or have been involuntarily committed to a mental institution you don't get to buy a gun (legally).

Exactly what higher standards do you propose that won't violate one or more of a person's constitutional rights and that will hold up in a court case?

[NickB79]

19. Have you conducted background checks for firearm purchases?

As in reviewing the 4473 (Yellow) sheet required to purchase a firearm from a legal gun dealer? I have, and there are no "short cuts" to take on it. Unless it is filled out in it's entirety, you cannot proceed with the phone-in background check.

[Statistical]

20. So you admit to violating federal law?

How exactly did you allow felons to pass a background check.

[itsrobert]

21. Nice try

But your deductive reasoning process has to be more than If parts of A = parts of B and parts of B = parts of C than A = C. False conclusion on your part.

[Statistical]

22. So it was all BS. There are no "shortcuts" on NICS check. n/t

[itsrobert]

24. So it's the system

I have done background checks, for clearances. Which are more stringent obviously.

[blondeatlast]

11. NWMT.

(Not worth mytombstone)

[ProgressiveProfessor]

14. It no easier that Arizona and they are even cheaper in Boston back alleys

[Lurks Often]

27. Considering the crime rate in Boston

maybe he's full of shit?

On edit: He bought the gun from a FFL, so the sale was subject to Federal law and there was nothing in his record that would have prevented a sale.

[cbdo2007]

18. So he wasn't planning the assassination since 2007....he's been planning

it since the election.

It does sound like he may have some weird obsession with Giffords but there is nothing so far saying he planned to kill her before Palin's crosshair map. I feel pretty strongly that she pushed him over the edge on this, which we may find out once they finally get into his parents house.

[deminks]

29. Where did he get the money for the gun?

They are not very expensive, but was he working? How did he learn how to use it? How many people knew he had it? I have more questions than answers.