I support President Joe Biden

[bananas]

The vice president is sometimes called "impeachment insurance".
Clinton was impeached, but not removed from office - they wanted Gore less than they wanted Clinton.
If Dubya Bush was impeached, we would have had Cheney as president.
If Poppy Bush was impeached, we would have had Dan Quayle as president.
If Reagan was impeached, we would have had Poppy Bush as president.

Clinton left office with very high approval ratings despite being impeached.

If Obama is removed from office, we get President Joe Biden - I have no problem with that!
That's the worst case.
More likely, his approval rating will skyrocket.

Obama can go down in history as the President who let the crazies drive the country into default,
or he can go down in history as the President who gave in to the crazies,
or he can go down in history as the President who saved the country from the crazies.

It's his choice.
What do you think he will do?

[bigwillq]

1. gotcha

nevermind


edit:

Had Biden as subject line
and a
:shrug:
in the body

[provis99]

2. Biden was beloved by the DLC.

http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?contentid=253240&kaid=85&subid=108

He'd cave to the Repubs in an instant.

[bananas]

3. Not the best choice for impeachment insurance, but I don't think he'd cave. nt

[elleng]

10. ...

:thumbsdown:

[Tx4obama]

4. So what does impeachment have anything to do with?

President Obama has not committed a crime and he is not going to commit a crime.

So, what are you talking about?

If you are thinking that Obama will be impeached due to invoking the 14th of the US CONSTITUTION - that is not going to happen.

Using the U.S. Constitution is NOT a crime.

'To impeach' means to bring forth charges.

What you do think the 'charge' would be?

Do you think that anyone in their right mind is going to compose articles of impeachment with the charge against The President being 'USING THE CONSTITUTION' ???

LOL

[CarmanK]

6. It is up to the Republican controlled House to IMPEACH!

This republican controlled house would spend another year attempting to IMPEACH Obama, and like Clinton they may well find him innocent. They have no shame this TPARTY NATION GANG of thugs. They are only interested in Obama failing and anything they can do to stall creating jobs or doing the real work of a legislator, the better for them. they are delusional and arrogant and with that lack of reality, they think they can WIN and beat Obama and the dems. Their goal is to establish a TPARTY NATION that wants to eviscerate govt, destroy the social safety net and open borders for movement of free trade. With access to so much money, the TPARTY NATION can undermine the US constitution. the SCOTUS is on their side. there is nothing business can do that will offend the loyalties of this Supreme Court to their corporate masters.

[Tx4obama]

9. The House would have to present a 'charge'

what do you think that 'criminal charge' would be?

In the case of Clinton, he was charged with 'lying under oath' which IS a criminal offense.

Again, what would the House charge Obama with?


Btw, the House did not spend a year 'trying to impeach' Clinton.
The House did 'impeach' Clinton. To impeach means to bring forth charges, charges were brought forth.
Then it was the Senate that held the impeachment 'trial', which Clinton was not found guilty.

[bananas]

8. Thanks, you're right, but some here are repeating the Teabagger threats

Also, it's possible the teabaggers will ignore the law and the constitution and vote to impeach him anyway.
So I'm presenting the worse case.
And based on the votes so far, it's not looking good for Obama's legacy.

edit to add:
For example see the first sub-thread here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=1603711&mesg_id=1603711

[Jack Rabbit]

13. My good sir . . .

. . . these are more or less the same idiots who impeached President Clinton for a blow job. They'll impeach President Obama for jaywalking if they can't find another reason. And, just like 1998, they'll once again wonder why the people aren't getting in line behind them.

[Tx4obama]

14. First of all, I am female :)

Secondly, the impeachment charge that was brought against Clinton by the House was for 'lying under oath' which is a criminal offense.

Unless President Obama were to commit a crime, I do not see the House being able to find any 'charges' to file against him - the republicans don't have a leg to stand on.

[bananas]

18. The Supreme Court has used the 14th Amendment to enforce payment of debt

csziggy has pointed out there's already a precedent for invoking the 14th,
this backs up what you're saying (and I agree):


From another thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=1604720&mesg_id=1610295

csziggy (1000+ posts) Fri Jul-29-11 08:37 PM
Response to Reply #45

76. The Supreme Court has used the 14th Amendment to enforce payment of debt

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=1608934&mesg_id=1610166

That shows a precedent for using the 14th to enforce payment of government debt. That decision is crystal clear.

That link goes to a different thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=1608934&mesg_id=1610166

csziggy (1000+ posts) Fri Jul-29-11 08:15 PM
Response to Reply #16

34. The 14th Amendment has been used against Congress, also

In Perry v. United States (1935), the Supreme Court ruled that under Section 4 voiding a United States government bond "went beyond the congressional power."<49> Legal analyst Jeffrey Rosen has argued that Section 4 gives the president unilateral authority to raise or ignore the national debt ceiling, and that if challenged the Supreme Court would likely rule in favor of expanded executive power or dismiss the case altogether for lack of standing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution#Validity_of_public_debt

The Fourteenth Amendment, in its fourth section, explicitly declares: 'The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law , ... shall not be questioned.' While this provision was undoubtedly inspired by the desire to put beyond question the obligations of the government issued during the Civil War, its language indicates a broader connotation. We regard it as confirmatory of a fundamental principle which applies as well to the government bonds in question, and to others duly authorized by the Congress, as to those issued before the amendment was adopted. Nor can we perceive any reason for not considering the expression 'the validity of the public debt' as embracing whatever concerns the integrity of the public obligations.

We conclude that the Joint Resolution of June 5, 1933, in so far as it attempted to override the obligation created by the bond in suit, went beyond the congressional power.
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?navby=case&court=us&vol=294&invol=330#354

[awoke_in_2003]

5. puff puff pass. nt

[gateley]

7. Other: I'd be thrilled with Biden as POTUS, but I'd hate to see

it happen.

Biden was right about Afghanistan, he knows how to deal with the Congress, he's pragmatic and doesn't let people push him around. He also has a gift of disagreeing with someone without putting them on the defensive (I've seen him shred Lindsey Graham and Lindsey was almost like a puppy, loving the attention).

I know he's done some stuff that he shouldn't have, and that some people (including me) can't forgive, but all in all I think he'd do well as POTUS.

HOWEVER, I'd prefer seeing it stay as it is now - I think it's the way it should be.

[Fearless]

11. In the very least he would rally the troops.

[Kaleva]

12. Considering that Dems control the Senate, removing Obama from office is pretty iffy

[bananas]

16. Then Obama should have nothing to worry about. nt

[readmoreoften]

15. In all scenarios he'll start the dismantling of SS, Medicare/caid.

He'll go down as the Democrat who ended the whole point of the Democratic Party.

[woo me with science]

17. Biden is intimately connected to the banks,

and they are the ones who are driving all of this.

His largest contributor, for a very long time, has been MBNA.

He would be just as, if not even more dangerous than, our current Trojan Horse President.


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We desperately need to find and support principled Democrats for the White House and both houses of Congress.

[Odin2005]

19. Biden is owned by the credit card companies.

[trayfoot]

20. Right now, I do NOT support anyone in D.C.

with the exception of Bernie Sanders!

[onenote]

21. the argument against invoking the 14th amendment has nothing to do with impeachment

It has everything to do that its legality is so uncertain that it likely would not stave off the downgrading of the nation's credit rating and all of the bad things that would result from that.

[bananas]

22. See post #18: The Supreme Court has used the 14th Amendment to enforce payment of debt

There's already a Supreme Court precedent, it's the law of the land.