Child Rape

[Hepburn]

Warren Jeffs is a perverted POS who marries female children and then rapes them. The latest atrocity coming out of his trial is that there is as tape ~~ yes, a tape ~~ of his sexual assault on one of his child brides. Even worse, others can be heard in the background listening to him assault this child and they do nothing ~~ absolutely nothing ~~ about this.

Let me digress for one moment: Back in the late 1960's and through the mid-1970's, I was married to a guy who loved to go deer hunting and his chosen spot was the St. George, UT, area. So once a year, we loaded up and obscene motor home and towed the obligatory 4-wheel driver behind it. (Note: He was a good hunter and we used the venison ~~ it was not merely a sport to him.) I knew about Colorado City way back then. This is 40-fucking years ago. I knew people in the St. George area who had taken in the male children who had been run out of the FLDS settlements so that the old men could have the young girls as their child brides. I saw some of these families on Sunday AMs who lived in the area heading to Temple with some old fart followed by multiple women and a ton of children ~~ all dressed in that way that we are seeing women and children at the Jeff's TX compound of Yearning for Zion.

I heard back then about the "bridal bed" and thought that this just could not be true: That to verify the consummation of the "spiritual union," there was a bed in the "Temple" where the child bride was first assaulted by her "loving husband." When the supposed authorities would come to check it out, the leadership would move everyone to the other side of the state line ~~ Colorado. And...of course...nothing happened because, as I was told back then, the compound would be alerted about the raids and everyone was gone when Utah authorities showed up at their doors.

:puke: :grr:

WTF gives with Utah and Texas that this shit has been allowed to go on for years and years???? And, better yet: WTF gives with the Federal Government that they don't get involved. This shit is going on across state lines. If I recall my H.S. civics one little bit, that gives the Feddies jurisdiction.

I am just totally appalled that for at least 40 years I know about, the Jeffs and his Daddy before him have been "marrying" and raping small girls and nothing fucking has been done about this. People are up in arms about Casey Anthony ~~ what about the thousands of small girls who have been raped and made mothers at age 12 or so???

My thoughts are along the lines of what one woman who had fled the FLDS said: This will not stop until they start arresting and prosecuting the mothers, too. That turned me off...but then I thought: Maybe that would give them the backbone to protect their children.

I am totally disgusted. How about you?

[WhiteTara]

1. Children and women have been considered chattel

for many hundreds of years and only now are we being able to break those chains. They began with the women of the 60s and 70s who stood up and their daughters who have been taught to stand up. Women are beaten, raped and sold and traded all over the country and world.

I'm glad you're angry and disgusted, use it to those people's advantage. Write letters, join together with like minded people and change the laws.

[ensho]

4. true

nt

[seabeyond]

7. +1. nt

[Hepburn]

9. The laws are there....

...the problem is enforcement.

Look at the issue of when Child Protective Services raided the YfZ Ranch back a few years ago. The children were returned...and the mothers allowed the conduct to continue.

[JustAnotherGen]

2. I'm with you

Freedom of religion does not mean freedom from laws to persecute criminal activity, Rekigious tenets end when they physically harm an innocent child.

[Shandris]

3. This sounds disgusting, but...I honestly don't know what you're talking about.

Do you have a link or something handy by chance?

Clarity edit: I understand the part about trafficking, obviously. I meant the examples from your first paragraph.

[Cid_B]

5. Try the google...

I recommend "Warren Jeffs" "FLDS" "lost boys" for keywords.

It is creepy stuff.

[Shandris]

6. Duh. /facepalm I haven't been up long enough this morning.

Off to check now, thank you Cid.

[Hepburn]

8. Try this link, too:

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/189454/20110729/warren-jefffs-polygamist-flds-lds-mormon-sexual-assault-trial.htm

The DA in opening statement said they had such a tape.

Also: The terns suggested to google, good ones, IMO.

:hi:

[Shandris]

13. TEN THOUSAND FOLLOWERS?!?

...
I'm not often shocked by the depravity of 'fellow man', but my god... Polygamy on its own is one thing; how can you possibly claim to NOT look at women as chattel and simultaneously believe in Polygamy? But the sheer magnitude of not only this 'church's' holdings, and the fact that seemingly every 'wife' here isn't old enough to BE a wife...yet they only brought 2 counts against him plus some proceedings in Texas? They pulled FOUR HUNDRED people out and all they could get was TWO CHARGES?!

Sorry for all the caps, but thank you for bringing this to our attention. I'm not sure how I missed it (although it does sound incredibly close to a Criminal Minds episode I saw once, and one that likewise shook me quite a bit), but I'm aware of it now.

I think I'm going to let my mind sort out the rest of this info in its' own time, because reading these articles+wiki has left me feeling ill to my stomach.

[Hepburn]

17. Two charges against Jeffs...however...

...there have been other prosecutions in the FLDS and I recall than some men have been convicted.

[CanonRay]

10. I give Texas credit for finally doing something

Utah and Arizona won't even try.

[Hepburn]

12. I agree.

That is pretty much what I saw all the times I was in the St. George area. It was just weird to see this go on. My ex had a buddy from when he was in the Army who had settled in the area. An Italian guy originally from NY City. I hung with the wife ~~ also Italian and from NYC. She has a shit load of info on the FLDS. The FLDS was friendly to this guy and his wife because he was a jeweler and a silver smith and he set some of the semi-precious stones they brought in for the jewelry they sold to tourists in their stores. So as outsiders, she and her hubbie knew a lot more than the general public. She helped the boys who were kicked out and some of them ended up back in NY with loving families.

I cannot believe that all these years this is still allowed. Makes me ill.

[Hepburn]

11. Lots of brainwashing going on, IMO:

Former child member, Wallm, who escaped Jeffs ~~ her statement on him:

When asked about life for the girls on Jeffs' compound, Wall said they're treated like they don't have an identity from birth.


"People have to really understand how these women are raised," she said. "... They really are just property to the community, and especially the men, and they're all about serving the men and fulfilling the men's life, and these women grow up with no rights really and no knowledge of what they should have as far as being a woman, having the rights of what we have here in America."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/07/30/earlyshow/saturday/main20085807.shtml

[seabeyond]

14. while i agree with you, it also works the other way. these men were boys

and they, too, were raised to believe this is so and the way god says it should be. and though we dont let the men off the hook as adults, raping children, nor should we with the mothers that were raised and are raising their kids to believe the same.

or else, the men get the same consideration

[Hepburn]

15. I agree on the Mothers...totally.

Like one ex member said ~~ it will not stop until the mothers are arrested. I would add to that: And their children permanently removed.

[MuseRider]

16. I believe from what I have read

that many of these mothers were the daughters before and know no different way to behave. They are sheltered from most of the rest of the world, forbidden contact with the outside. They are beaten and treated badly if they sway from the path they have been raised to believe is theirs. As all people do who see no way out if they don't like the situation they are in they either risk the punishment trying to escape or succeed in their escape or they seek to justify the situation they are caught in. I also have been given to understand that from the time they are toddlers the boys are taken in mainly by the men and taught the way they should treat women and the grown women, their own mothers, become nothing but chattel from the time they can understand the concept.

I am not condoning any of it but the women are caught. I would be beaten bloody constantly and trying to escape constantly because I do not have the temperament to even begin to live like that but there are many others who are different and would seek the justification just to be able to make it day to day. I certainly can't understand a mother allowing a daughter to be caught in the trap that is FLDS but if they are true believers because there is no way out or they just have been brainwashed to believe they deserve this kind of life it becomes more of a social ill than a crime. Maybe? I don't have a clue. I do know many many women, mostly my extended family, who believe in similar ways simply because they have been told their place and they justify it always.

The men? No excuse. They have all the power and they abuse it by treating the women, girls and boys the way they do. Why the powerful do not seek equality and justice is beyond me but it is the way humans seem to behave once they have the power. When God is in the mix it just gets worse because it is a familiar crutch and excuse to do whatever they please.

[Hepburn]

18. I have also heard interviews with those who have fled and they said that ...

... the sister wives would fink on them if they even said something adverse ~~ let alone tried to escape the FLDS.

Sick, really sick...:puke:

[MuseRider]

21. Competing for top wife?

The entire set up is f'ed up. The guys have it made there. Not only that, they get to be Gods when they die while the women continue to serve them.

**waiting for the snotty comments about how one wife is nagging enough etc or that the poor fellows have to work really hard to support all of them without one single thought as to who is to blame for their set up.

[Hepburn]

19. PROGRESS: FLDS prosecutions, plea deals keep courts busy

SAN ANGELO, Texas — The courts have been busy this year with prosecutions of member after member of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.

From March through November, five FLDS men received sentences ranging from six years in prison to 75.

Merril Leroy Jessop had the first trial of 2010. It ran March 8 through March 19 and resulted in the highest sentence so far, 75 years and a $10,000 fine for sexual assault of a child, a first-degree felony.

His trial was also the first to take place in San Angelo. Two trials preceding his in 2009 both took place in Eldorado.

more...

http://www.gosanangelo.com/news/2011/feb/26/flds-prosecutions-plea-deals-keep-courts-busy/

[MuseRider]

20. I have not kept up

so I am pleased to hear that Merril Jessop is out of circulation.

[Hepburn]

22. I will give ya an "AMEN" to that!

Jeffs and Jessop ~~ those names seem to be the worst of the worst.

[Hepburn]

23. More info on Jessop:

http://www.religionnewsblog.com/24187/flds-sect-member-merril-leroy-jessop-sentenced-to-75-years-in-prison

Seems to explain how and why he got the 75 years. Justified as far as I can see.

[Odin2005]

24. This fucking CULT needs to be shut down yesterday!

:grr: