House vote on the Reid Bill: Brought up under a rule requiring a TWO-THIRDS MAJORITY

[ProgressiveEconomist]

for it to pass!

Boehner and McConnell are taking no chances that a sane debt-ceiling increase will pass.

Before the Senate has had a chance to vote and amend the Reid bill, Boehner brings an early version of it to the House floor. But under a rule that guarantees it cannot pass!

Meanwhile, in coordination with Boehner, McConnell FILIBUSTERS the Reid bill, so that it cannot come to a simple majority vote before the House sends it down the tubes.

And the media are not reporting on these aspects of what is going on in Congress this weekend. You have to watch C-SPAN and C-SPAN2 to see for yourself!

WHAT'S YOUR OPINION?

[Autumn]

1. Give the fuckers what they want and let it

crash and burn. There is no way in hell any thing can be passed those bastards DO NOT CARE. They are all fucking crazy.

[CarmanK]

4. NO< we cannot go gently into the GOOD NIGHT. this is the plan!

Frustrate, confuse and defeat, that is the TPARTY NATION's goal. And the TPARTY PATRIOTS IN THE HOUSE AND THE SENATE want to achieve. Destroy the US of AMERICA and rebuild it in their image. They are a greater threat to the Union than the confederacy. The dems must find a way to address this irresponsible behavior and OBAMA must act to save our country from this disastrous path.

[Autumn]

6. The Dems are not looking to find a way to address

this irresponsible behavior. Obama insists on a bipartisan bill.

[nadinbrzezinski]

7. Just like Fillmore did

Yep...

[Lorien]

10. I don't know what Obama's game is, but he's better stop playing it

and fast. The repug's are NEVER going to sign on to a "bipartisan" bill.

[Marnie]

19. He keeps playing their game on their field by their rules

and losing.

How many years before he figures this out?

He is a babe in the woods compared to the Republican gray beards who have been planing this debacle at least since Nixon, who they had planned to elect president for life, until he got caught by Watergate and his support eventually tanked.

[Ruby the Liberal]

21. Please don't refer to the Hezbollah wing of the Republican party as "Patriots"

Thanks.

[Coyote_Bandit]

2. My opinion?

I resent this game of chicken and all the idiot participants.

I think they should all lose their jobs.

[flamingdem]

3. Keep us updated on C-Span happenings if you can thanks nt

[nadinbrzezinski]

5. The media report?

You silly rabbit.

:-)

They want to make this man a one termer, and at least to me this one termer don't really fight back.

But that long night is almost here

[MadHound]

8. Good,

Thus, when we come to the penultimate moment of this crisis, sanity will prevail. In last minute desperation the Congress will pass a clean bill on the debt ceiling, or the president will step in and invoke the 14th amendment solution.

Either way, these odious cuts that are being trotted out as some form of "victory" will be thrown in the trash. At least until the next "crisis".

[Amalea dQ]

9. Can we pressure Congress to pay back their unearned pay raises?

I am trying to find information as to the pay raises Congress voted for themselves during the GW Bush administration. If any of you have a listing of the House and Senate bills during the period, I would greatly appreciate a listing of them. I am particularly interested in how each Representative and Senator voted on their respective bills during the period. I, as a taxpayer, am not inclined to reward an abject failure of leadership with pay raises. Taking this country from a 200 plus billion dollar surplus to a multi-trillion dollar deficit in eight years is precisely such a failure. Frankly, I believe the policies of indebting and subsequently impoverishing the nation was planned for and done on purpose in order to starve social security, medicare and medicaid. Others may not believe in the purpose of those programs, but I believe they are and have been useful, necessary, and in keeping with the Preamble of the Constitution as it relates to "promote the General Welfare" of the nation. I am a veteran to took the same oath as the President, members of Congress, and the Supreme Court. To "preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign or domestic". I believe that the first three words of the Constition do not read "We the Corporate Industrial Complexes", and that those who do are the domestic enemies of our Constitution. Unlike those who sit in the temples of our government, I will keep my vow. Corporations are not people. Never have been, never will be.

I know that Congress gave themselves pay raises for 7 out of the 8 years of the GW Bush administration, while "We the People" were losing hundreds of thousands of jobs monthly. I'm calling on everyone to call their favorite congressional target and demand that they pay back every cent of their pay raises AND return their salaries for ALL of Federal Government back to the year 2000. If government is spending too much then government should participate in the pain they are responsible for inflicting.


Can anyone out there help me obtain the information I seek?

[polmaven]

11. I don't believe that is correct.

The Boehner bill would have required a 2/3 vote because it contained a Constitutional amendment provision. It was, of course voted down. The Reid bill will require a 60 vote margin for cloture, then a simple majority if cloture is achieved.

On edit...The House is now debating the Reid bill, and is voting on suspension of the rules before they can vote on the bill itself. T suspension of the rules does, in THE HOUSE, need 2/3 vote. (for an unknow reason, I completely missd your reference to this being in the House, not the Senate...Sorry!)

[ProgressiveEconomist]

13. Not correct? That the House vote today requires a TWO-THIRDS majority?

See post #12 below. Cynically, Boehner brought up an early versio of the Reid debt-ceiling bill under "rule suspension", a procedure designed for quick action on non-controversial measures such as naming postoffice branches. The C-SPAN vote screen, which you may see on MSNBC or Fox News, says at the top,

"HR 2693--

Brought up under suspension rules--

Needs 2/3 majority to pass"

Clearly, YOU are incorrect to suggest the title of this thread is inaccurate in any way.

[polmaven]

15. You're right.

And I apologize...I actually read the title incorrectly. See my edit.

[ProgressiveEconomist]

17. Thanks for being so forthright and so quick to correct your mistake. Peace.

[ProgressiveEconomist]

12. Nancy Pelosi, wrapping up just before the sham vote: Boehner said, 'We've done our LEVEL BEST'

'We've done our LEVEL BEST'

Pelosi: "Is this ON THE LEVEL? To bring up a $2.4 trillion bill under suspension of the rules, with 20 minutes debate on each side..."

"Is this our BEST?..."

IMO, this was the best speech I ever heard Pelosi give. But how many Americans ever will see it?

Debbie Wasserman-Schultz (D-FL) also gave a memorable floor speech during the Democrats' allotted 20 minutes.

[BattyDem]

18. I totally agree ... that was her best speech EVER!!!

She was on fire! :applause:

[lsewpershad]

14. There must be

a nuclear option out there. If refreaks were in O's position they would have found or created it from whole cloth. Why are Obama and the democrats acting like chicken shit?

[spanone]

16. so far, 4 democrats in the house have voted against reid proposal/edit. now it's 5

edit. now 6...and not a single thug going the other way

up to 7.

8 and counting

NINE

ten faithful dems.....:sarcasm:

ahhh.....eleven already

now twelve

back to eleven

[Waiting For Everyman]

20. K&R I saw that too on C-SPAN2 as well, and no the media isn't reporting it.

The 'Thugs like to manipulate technicalities in outrageous ways because they KNOW the public doesn't understand it. Neither do the talking heads, for that matter.

A Reuters article that came out last night though seems to indicate that Obama has it chilled out with the rating agencies until the middle of August. Link below:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1610938

I'm not sure but, it seems like if the 'Thugs do intentionally crash through the debt ceiling with the public and "the whole world watching", it may not damage us as much as they hope (or at all). Obama might be in a position to calmly veto if he has to, and watch the 'Thugs hair catch on fire.

That's what I read from it anyway, I could be wrong.

[ProgressiveEconomist]

22. Wekk the rigged House vote is in: 246-173 against the unamended, undebated Reid bill

How many Republican House members might have broken with the Party line had the vote not required a two-thirds majority? There was absolutely no readon for any Republican to stick his or her neck out when the defeat of the Reid bill was a certainty anyway.

And how many House Rs would have voted differently if in addition they'd already seen a Senate vote in favor of the Reid bill, by simple majority with 53 Democrats and four or six Republican Senators in favor?