Russian Roulette... that is what these people are playing

[nadinbrzezinski]

but they forgot one thing... you may pull the trigger many times... and get a click... but sooner or later you are going to chamber a live bullet....

But this is what they are playing...

And by extension we will get shot too...

[kywildcat]

1. They stand to lose nothing in this

this falls entirely on our backs. The elected officals (and the people who have never held office who have orchestrated this charade) will lose nothing. Their pay is secure, their futures assured. They may not be in politics forever, but they will be much more comfortable than us. And this is why they feel so entirely comfortable playing russian roulette. In the end-it matters not one whit to them.

[nadinbrzezinski]

4. Wrong actually, they will lose, in some cases

more... it is just that they do not get this. We could have the kind of social unrest people read in history books... and I mean the kind of social unrest that makes the 1960s looks like a walk in the park. This is part of the problem, these people, for the most part... don't remember... the people who were alive for the last go around are mostly dead.

[kywildcat]

8. the average person=

the joe the ignorant plumber-who voted these morons in will be impacted-but not deeply. They really haven't as much as they think-so the fall to nothing is short for them. The politicians who are elected will not be impacted at all. Their benefits secure, their pay. They've moved their money offshore already and have set up the tax code to protect themselves. Uprisings-well, frankly-as a populace-we're entirely to complacent to bother.

[nadinbrzezinski]

9. Americans do not know what a default means

it's never happened. But yes, joe the plumber will be impacted, and fast and deeply... so will be the politicians. The ones who are fully insulated from this are in the level of a Bill Gates... and if things get dicey can always fly to more secure places.

I have tried to explain this, since I've seen one close up in an economy hundreds of times smaller... but I guess at this point it falls in the category off... people won't get it until they live through it. Oh and it is something you survive through...

[zappaman]

12. It means

our credit will be downgraded for the first time in history.
the ensuing the damage would reverberate across the globe.
I'm an American and I know what a default means.
and I'd be willing to wager that a great many Americans know what a default is.

[nadinbrzezinski]

13. Oh it goes beyond that... but that's ok

I won't bother. As I said, you need to live, rather survive, through it.

Suffice it to say a downgrade is just the tip of the virtual iceberg.

[zappaman]

15. sure it does

and I'd be willing to wager that a great deal of Americans know that too.

[nadinbrzezinski]

17. Yep, mostly those who came from economies that went through it

or have family in such countries.

You are correct on that one.

Or those who work in high flutting economic institutes that have designed a few of those rescue packages over the years. Read Perkins for that. But common knowledge? No,not really... and I will add... it is not the people's fault...

[kywildcat]

19. And I fall into 2 of those catagories

you've just identified. I'm fully aware of most (but not all, by any means) of the implications. I hear about them daily. Americans are not prepared to pick up pitchforks and hit the streets. The decimation of the middle class ensured that we are more concerned with making rent-paying for food etc.. than in taking the time to understand what is happening-and why. The Teaparty would never have gotten a toe hold had our population not been systemically dumbed down. We have neither the attention span nor the interest to understand the nuance of the argument.
And knowing thiste politicians have gorged themselves at our expense. The high net worth individuals and families already have their strategies in place and their money moved.
If the US actually defaults-it'll be hell for us, and of course as always for the poor-but not for the politicans or the uber high net worth families.

[nadinbrzezinski]

20. And that is where unleashing those forces

comes in. Wisconsin is just a foretaste and a pikers walk...

Hang in there... and since you know what I am talking about... really hang in there.

[hifiguy]

2. They don't care

even though there are bullets in five chambers. The vast majority of the baggers are some weird sort of dominionist nihilists, when you come right down to it, and basically believe in what Jeff Sharlet called "jeebus plus nothing." These sick fuckers want to destroy everything in the world.

[nadinbrzezinski]

5. That I agree with, ideocrats are looking forwards to this

as they believe they will be able to rebuild in the ideal world they hope to build.

[RKP5637]

7. And most IMO would like to bring our world to an end so they can float off into

heaven in the rapture. IMO the baggers don't remotely see the world as we see it. We would like to make the world a better place for all. They want to make the world a better place for themselves and to some that includes bringing on the rapture.

[hifiguy]

10. They are delusional on an epic scale

and belong in high-security laughing academies. Mentally, they are as completely fucked up as a left-handed football bat. There is no reasoning with the insane. Unfortunately they are a perfect representation of a very significant slice of this country's populace.

[nadinbrzezinski]

14. Yep, you are dealing with IDEOCRATS

[zappaman]

16. name calling goes both ways

if we start to degrade people by calling them "ideocrats", they'll just call us "pseudo-intellectuals".
where does it stop?

[nadinbrzezinski]

18. They are... and I will use the frame, live with it

or not, I don't care at this point, I really do not care what you think at this point. I will use it... FRACKING PERIOD!

Oh and let me add a few of the real insults that have been used by them over the years.

Democ-RAT.

Lib'rul

Cut and spend socialist

Elite

Latte Drinking Lib'rul

Limousine Liberal...

I will no longer be "better" than them, live with it or not I really do not care, or give a damn what you think.

[RKP5637]

3. Yep, they are playing Russian Roulette with the revolver aimed at us. These

guys aren't going to lose anything in the big picture no matter what happens. Life will go on and one can be sure their assets/asses are well protected. It's a cock show.

[nadinbrzezinski]

6. Actually they could unleash forces

that they do not understand. And that is my point. That said, they do not care.

[RKP5637]

11. That is well said (as usual)! They could unleash forces they don't understand and

worse that they could not control. I'm sorry, I don't have the link now, but recently someone posted a study on DU that even if illogical, really illogical, sometimes it only takes about 10% of a population really believing some lunacy, and eventually just about the entire population will believe the lunacy.

And as you said, they don't care, they just do not care. That, is pathetic and dangerous. These are very unstable and dangerous times.