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HipChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 09:51 PM
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ABC reporting tentative deal made to raise debt ceiling

http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2011/07/white-house-republicans-strike-tenative-deal-to-raise-debt-ceiling-.html

ABC News has learned that Republicans and the White House have struck a tenative deal to raise the debt ceiling before the Aug. 2 deadline. It's not done yet, but here is the framework of the tentative deal they have worked out, according to a source familiar with the negotiations:

Debt ceiling increase of up to $2.8 trillion
Spending cuts of roughly $1 trillion
Special committee to recommend cuts of $1.8 trillion (or whatever it takes to add up to the total of the debt ceiling increase)
Committee must make recommendations before Thanksgiving recess
If Congress does not approve those cuts by late December, automatic across-the-board cuts go into effect, including cuts to Defense and Medicare.
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 09:53 PM
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1. K and R
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 09:54 PM
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2. One sacred cow for GOP (defense), one for Dems (Medicare)..... just might work

....but also I would automatically rescind Bush tax cuts as a trigger.
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CelticThunder Donating Member (460 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 10:09 PM
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20. Disgusting capitulation (as usual) by Obama. If he runs for a second term, he will lose.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 10:16 PM
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24. He's already running for a second term... are you that oblivious?
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CelticThunder Donating Member (460 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 07:45 AM
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29. You are the oblivious one.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 03:56 PM
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30. Dude... he filed the paperwork.. he's officially a candidate... he's already running.

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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 09:54 PM
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3. Well yes, I guess taxes could never be put in there
I mean we need to protect the rich...
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 09:55 PM
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4. So...the republicans got EVERYTHING they wanted
including a Super Congress (calling it a "special committee" doesn't change what it really is).

Not only that--we get to do this all over again...

And we walk away...totally fucked over by a coven of cowards.
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11 Bravo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 10:01 PM
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7. Yeah, the Repugs were begging for cuts to Defense.
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ProgressiveEconomist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 10:01 PM
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8. "We get to do this all over again" I read the OP as saying not til 2013, given the $2.9 trillion
debt ceiling increase.

Sounds like the penalties for not finding another $1.8 trillion in cuts by Thanksgiving are automatic cuts to Defense and Medicare--NOT another debt ceiling vote.

We'll be going through another BUDGET figth soon in any case. IMO ANYTHING's better than anoother debt-ceiling vote before the 2012 elections.
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 10:04 PM
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13. No, that's ludicrous BS. For one thing, there is no "super congress."
Calling it that doesn't negate the fact that anything it recommended would still have to go through Congress and the White House to be enacted.
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kelly1mm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 10:20 PM
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25. The Super Congress had to go through both houses as well. How
is the special committee different? Many here pointed out, when asked about the constitutionality of the super congress that is is/was simply a joint select committee.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 09:59 PM
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5. Special committee to recommend cuts of $1.8 trillion
The blade of austerity will remain hanging over our heads.

Thats pathetic.
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Chan790 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 10:03 PM
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12. Who picks the committee?
I'd fully support it if we chose three good solid liberals and insisted that Rand Paul be a GOP member but Paul Ryan be excluded.

Such a committee would have little chance of agreeing on anything but savings resulting from ending the wars and the war on drugs...and that might add up to nearly $1.8T over 10 years.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 10:05 PM
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14. Wars alone are more than half of the $1.8 trillion... letting Bush tax cuts expire is the rest
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Ruby the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 10:00 PM
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6. Triggered cuts to Medicare, nothing about the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy
That sounds fair.

:sarcasm:
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 10:01 PM
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9. They end on Dec 31, 2012... unless congress acts to extend them


If Obama wins re-election, the Bush tax cuts are gone.
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potone Donating Member (359 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 10:01 PM
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10. This is a lousy deal.
It means that we will go from being held hostage by the tea party Republican House members to being held hostage by a special committee, and one that will not consider any tax increases. Even if the Bush tax cuts aren't renewed, the damage caused by the cuts will remain. Why is this an acceptable solution?
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 10:02 PM
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11. Because GOPers will do anything to prevent defense cuts

....
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Ruby the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 10:06 PM
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17. And the ratio of defense cuts to medicare cuts is what, exactly?









Exactly...
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 10:05 PM
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15. No, it's not. You just imagine it is. nt
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 10:14 PM
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22. Amen. Just invoke the 14th and be done with it. Repugs wouldn't dare to try to "impeach"
Obama for it, because the public would turn on them in a nanosecond. Obama would be seen as the hero and adult in the situation.
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CleanGreenFuture Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 10:05 PM
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16. That sucks.
Edited on Sat Jul-30-11 10:06 PM by CleanGreenFuture


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spartan61 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 10:06 PM
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18. I just might be asking a dmb question,
but I'm going to ask anyway. Last Dec. bush's tax cuts were extended. Can they still expire or are they going to be untouched with this new tentative deal? Just because the repukes don't want "revenue" and there is no revenue in the deal, is that the end of the tax increase talk? Does this mean that the wealthy are off the hook for any tax increases?
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Ruby the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 10:07 PM
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19. Off the hook, yes. They expire in Dec of 2012 unless extended
but no revenues have been included in this "deal". Only cuts.
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 10:12 PM
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21. Apparently Obama's secret strategy was surrender...
:grr:
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 10:15 PM
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23. Darn it, that made me laugh.
Might as well. I'm watching Idiocracy again very soon.
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 10:21 PM
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26. It is 44D chess, so maybe it will work...
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sad sally Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 10:23 PM
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27. The Republicans and the White House?
Is there a Party not represented here?
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 10:26 PM
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28. * * * * * thinkprogress RT @samyoungman: Dem familiar with situation disputes ABC report * * * *

thinkprogress
RT @samyoungman: Dem familiar with situation disputes ABC report

http://twitter.com/thinkprogress/status/97502157829447680

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