The Republicans HAVE to damage our credit...

[sfwriter]

...think about treasury sales the last few years.

Interest, or our cost for money has been flat. In high crisis, it even went negative. People threw money at us. The market so many of those Randriods love has set the cost of borrowing obscenely low for us. If they DON'T smash our good credit, they can't break the government. One has to come first and the other follows.

If you are a Tea Party traitor, then this is the course you HAVE to follow. If you want a corporatocracy of faschist state, then this is what you MUST break.

-Sandy

[napoleon_in_rags]

1. Oh, stop you.

Honestly, I am so not afraid of the Tea Party. I am not willing to embrace the narrative where we freak out and start worshiping Reagan because he was so "liberal" compared to the modern right. I not willing to be taken by a psychological manipulation that is this completely obvious.

Here's the deal: Shadowy international corporate forces are damn close to total control of our government. If that control becomes total, than I stand with the Tea Party in their stance that the whole piece of shit should be burned to the ground. To me the leftist cause is a moral one, stating that the old, the disabled, the elderly and children should be taken care of even at the expense of young and able. This moral cause doesn't involve lobbyists, military industrial contractors, or a vast surveillance apparatus. In fact, if all these things were gone, we could achieve our moral cause at a fraction of the price people are currently paying in taxes. So while I care for the needy, I don't feel that invested in the status quo, and neither should you IMHO.

[sfwriter]

2. Oh, I'm not invested in the status quo...

Just describing the quickest way to a Norquist style win.

You can't have that with everyone from China to our own social security and even Wall Street plowing money into the government. It simply won't break while it is the safest place to put cash.

Breaking the credit worthiness is the next step in shutting it down.

I look at the nations that haven't slacked off on their commitments to the poor and notice they are quite peppey compared to us.

http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D9OOJG2O0.htm

I'm starting to think ALL debt crisis is Disaster Capitalism at work.

[napoleon_in_rags]

3. Disaster capitalism is the divine cause of the immoral screwing their own asses.

Trust me, my day to day life, my career, is very invested in aid continuing to flow to the needy. My whole career has been defined by caring for various parts of that population.

But at some point, you have to ask, what happens if they make good on those threats? What happens if certain aid gets cut off?

That question is the same as the question: "How good are Americans as a people? How willing are we to sacrifice a bit to help those worse off?" And my bottom dollar is on the fact that we are VERY good, my bottom dollar is on the fact that we a good and moral people in this country. And that means that we will find a way to give that aid, even if it means defaulting on payments to garbage corporations.

And that's the thing here. This garbage is willing to bet that people will put it first, and they won't. Any default will vastly damage the status quo, the mountain of crap companies who eek out a living pushing crap on people will be the first to go. These shit ass financial products like bank accounts that make their profit off overdraft fees will the dinosaurs to this asteroid level extinction event. These corrupt pieces of shit will be flushed down the toilet.

I guess what I'm trying to say here is that our moral values, the values of the left, have a real resiliency to them: They have emerged over time, they have been tried by fire and found to be true. The have emerged and will emerge again. We don't have to be afraid of another test. Its the companies based on lies and their "stock values" that need to be afraid here. I say is challenges must come, let them come. :)

[Kahuna]

4. The leftist cause is the moral cause, but you'll stand with the tea party?

:wow:

[napoleon_in_rags]

5. No. This is a "get in the car and your dead" situation.

I'm referring to something I heard a law enforcement guy say, "if you get in the car you're dead", meaning that if somebody comes up to you with a gun and tells you to get in the car, your best shot at survival is to say no, and get shot right there.

That's a pretty good metaphor for the situation we're in right now. The car is the "sensible middle of the road" republicans, the gun is the tea party. We're headed to the same destination as far as cuts either way, but I hear people around here falling into what amounts to a good cop bad cop game, freaking out at the "crazy" tea party and embracing the "sensible" middle of the road Republicans. Basically what I'm saying is I don't buy it. I'm not afraid of the Tea Party. I'm not afraid of the bad cop. My sense is, let them do what they're going to do so everybody can see it. My sense is, its time for everybody to put their cards on that table, because we need SOMETHING, ANYTHING to break us out of this status quo.