Grade Obama's Presidency

[XemaSab]

:shrug:

[muffin1]

1. "D"

[cantbeserious]

2. Caving In To Wall Street, War Policy, Willingness To Cut SS And Medicare

= F

[KittyWampus]

16. Well, Newbie. You must not've followed politics lately. Dems/Obama enacted Wall Street reform,

We're moving out of Iraq and Afganistan at expected rate if not earlier and the cuts to SS/Medicare haven't happened yet.

But it's just another day seeing some new DU'ers who joined just to trash Obama and Democrats.

[cantbeserious]

36. Not A Newbie - Just Look At How Watered Down That Reform Was And Who Is Employed At WH

eom

[Raine]

41. I believe it's against the rules to call out posters over their post count

just because you disagree with them.

[piratefish08]

55. $16 TRILLION to Wall Street - Not ONE Person in Jail

$16 TRILLION to Wall Street - Not ONE Person in Jail
$16 TRILLION to Wall Street - Not ONE Person in Jail
$16 TRILLION to Wall Street - Not ONE Person in Jail
$16 TRILLION to Wall Street - Not ONE Person in Jail
$16 TRILLION to Wall Street - Not ONE Person in Jail
$16 TRILLION to Wall Street - Not ONE Person in Jail
$16 TRILLION to Wall Street - Not ONE Person in Jail
$16 TRILLION to Wall Street - Not ONE Person in Jail
$16 TRILLION to Wall Street - Not ONE Person in Jail
$16 TRILLION to Wall Street - Not ONE Person in Jail


Fuck. I hate having this touted as a victory.

:banghead:

[grahamhgreen]

3. This latest move pushes him into the F category, IMHO.

[KittyWampus]

17. LOL! You've trashed Obama since Day 1. Never acknowledge any progress nor focus any negativity

on Republicans.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

4. You left out (R).

[SammyWinstonJack]

7. HA!

:spray: :thumbsup:

[L0oniX]

26. +1

[yourout]

5. D right now.....F if he guts SS.

[coalition_unwilling]

6. 'D' for Below Average. 'F' if this debt-ceiling deal cuts Social Security and

does not raise taxes on the wealthy.

[XemaSab]

8. From four months ago:

http://election.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x810198

[dogman]

9. W

Still at War, still have tax cuts for the Wealthy, still Waiting for change.

[OmahaBlueDog]

10. I'll give him an A-

Maybe B+ would have been a better pick.

The wars are being wound down, which I knew at the outset would be slow

He got HCR passed, which so many other Presidents have tried to do and failed. Hoefully, if it gets through the courts and gets implemented, it will lead people to eventually realize that single payer makes more sense.

He made the right decision and got Bin Laden. We still have a problem with Al Quaida, but with Bin Laden gone, I'm hoping we can start to heal and put 9-11 behind us on this 10th anniversary.

Kagan and Sotomayor were both very good SCOTUS picks.

I think he got the stimulus wrong. He would have been better off with a program that put a trillion into buying out and re-working bad homeowner loans, and putting $500B into job retraining for the unemployed.

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[Better Believe It]

50. Obama should have proposed 500 billion for job retraining for the unemployed? What jobs?

500 billion for public works jobs would have been good by President Obama is opposed to WPA and other direct government created jobs as a conservative principal he subscribes to.

[OmahaBlueDog]

51. One source says there are 3M unfilled jobs without skilled workers to fill them

I personally believe the number is higher.

-snip-

There was no shortage of eye-popping statistics at CGI’s jobs summit here in Chicago on Wednesday. But as the second day of the conference begins, perhaps the most shocking stat I've heard so far is that there are more than three million job openings in America today.

“Posted job openings… are being filled only half as fast as they were filled in every previous recession since World War II,” said former President Bill Clinton.

If all the posted jobs in America were suddenly filled, the unemployment rate would fall by at least 3 percentage points—enough, perhaps to make a significant psychological impact, both for the business climate and for voters in the 2012 presidential election.

read more at: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/06/30/cgi-s-surprising-statistic-of-3-million-unfilled-jobs-in-the-u-s.html

There's been a seismic shift in the way our economy works. Sending workers off to do WPA type infrastructure work is a band-aid approach to the issue. They'll work for a year or two, and then deal with the reality that their manufacturing or construction job is gone and is not coming back soon. Workers need to be retrained to perform the jobs that are out there now.

[Selatius]

53. A WPA program would work, provided it is aimed towards long-term goals.

I disagree that such a program would be a "band-aid" approach if the money were spent on, say, building from scratch a national mass transit grid centered around high speed rail and mass transit buses, something that would help us kick off the oil addiction. The amount of construction jobs created in such an endeavor would be huge, and on top of that, permanent jobs would be created to both maintain that transit grid and also to operate the trains and buses and ensure timely scheduling. Another would be building recycling plants on a national scale to re-use the things we throw away and factories to mass-produce solar panels. Trade policy would have to be rethought at the same time to protect and build up American industrial manufacturing capacity, but that's trending towards a different topic.

[Kablooie]

12. I expect that in 2012 we will get Romney as president.

Unless we can get someone other than Obama.
The GOP is dragging the whole country into their swamp and no one seems to be able to do a thing about it.

[OmahaBlueDog]

13. The irony: Romney could win, but won't get the nomination

Ditto Huntsman

My bet is that they're going to nominate someone like Bachmann, or Rick Perry. I hope I'm wrong, but if they see Obama as vulnerable, they'll go as far to the right as they can get away with.

[trayfoot]

20. I hate to say I think you are right!

Obama has really lost a large percentage of his base. I don't know, at this juncture, how he gets that back. Let's just hope the dems (real dems) can be elected to a majority in both houses.

[99 Percent Sure]

32. Yet, when they had majorities they

did nothing with it. They don't listen to we the people either.

At this juncture, I'm giving ALL of them, including the President, the side-eye and throwing shade on ALL of them on both sides of the aisle. Don't get me started. Please.

[Scurrilous]

14. F -

Seriesly hugh disappointment.

:cry:

[John Agar]

15. As of now, an F.

Maybe at the 11th hour he can pull out a D.

[mvd]

18. Down to C. Might be generous because I'm still grading..

on a curve and other circumstances he's dealing with. I must add that Boehner and McConnell get F--.

[KittyWampus]

19. I'd say B+, but that's because I'm in the Reality based community not an idealouge

[mvd]

21. I think I'm seeing reality. Just because we differ doesn't mean..

I'm an "ideologue." That term should be reserved for the Tea Party and anyone wanting 100% satisfaction. I had him at B- until recently.

[joeybee12]

22. And in your reality George W gets an A+!!!

[KittyWampus]

29. No, and the fact you'd flat out lie about me says volumes about yourself.

[tcaudilllg]

25. You mean an ISTP with a humility problem.

[GSLevel9]

60. wow you're an easy grader!!! Name on the front of the paper accounts for 50% of the grade? nt

[readmoreoften]

63. You mistake being capable of thinking as ideology. Blindly following a politician is pathetic

and has nothing to do with "reality."

[steve2470]

23. I said "Incomplete"

I was tempted to vote "C", but I'm willing to wait until January 2013 to deliver the final grade.

[mvd]

24. That's reasonable. I gave him a grade because the term is more..

than half done. He still has a chance to raise the grade back up.

[steve2470]

27. I agree with you about McConnell and Boehner, complete F's ! nt

[99 Percent Sure]

28. D+ but I would have given him a C-, if I'd

had the choice.

Look, I listened closely to President Obama's stump speeches and concluded as early as February 2008 that he was more right-leaning than either HRC or the Big Disappointment, all of whom I considered the top 3 for the nom and eventual White House win.

If you check his record as an Illinois rep, you'll see that while he was a man of ethics, he was also pretty conservative. His short time as US senator was pretty right-leaning (read, bipartisan) as well.

Not that I have anything against bipartisan because it is a good thing when the ones with whom you're working compromise are of noble character, rather than backstabbing haters.
I don't hold the escalation of the Afghan war against him because he never wavered on this during the campaign. I don't hold the Guantanamo detention camp non-closure against him because he's tried, and reality often bites once one takes office.

These are only 3 of more than a few issues about which I have no beef with the president.

There are, however, at least 2 major beefs I hold against President Obama: Rahm and Geithner and, most important, his failure to live up to what I deem his most important statement of his election night speech -- "We may not always agree, but I will always listen to you."

I don't know who the 'you' was of whom he said he'd listen but, so far, he hasn't listened to we the people on jobs creation, on health insurance reform, on prosecution of the domestic terrorists cousin Darth Cheney and the sociopath Dim Son, on shoring up Wall $treet in the face of their continued abysmal failures, nor on debt ceiling/budget talks.

In fact, in 3 years, he's rarely listened to progressives on his supposed side of the aisle on any issues directly affecting our households daily. This is why I grade him as barely passing, even taking into account that we were already Wily Coyote suspended off the cliff when he took the oath of office on that bitterly cold day of 1/21/09.

[taught_me_patience]

30. "D" it was a "C" before this debt ceiling negotiation

He gets an

A on GBLT issues
B on economy
C- on environment
D- on Iraq
F on Afghanistan
F on Lybia
F on debt ceiling negotiation

[TheKentuckian]

31. Granting that most Presidents are fucking gawdawful, I'll give him a D and pray he holds it

but believe he is paddling into F and F- territory with his constant push for Catfood and his crappy civil liberties policies.

He's another crappy Reaganite President doomed to fail, if you believe he should be improving the lot of the people, sustaining the nation, building toward a better future, holding the powerful accountable, and giving a voice to the voiceless.

[99 Percent Sure]

34. +1. eom

[whatchamacallit]

33. Ha, love the sly 'W' option :D n/t

[Danger Mouse]

35. I've had him at a low B throughout much of his president. He is now at a D in my book.

Just too many disappointments. If his handling of the debt ceiling crisis produces positive results, of course, I'll raise it. If not...

[XemaSab]

37. .

:pals:

[Danger Mouse]

39. Hey, it's my favorite bird nerd.

:pals:

Did you say what grade you'd be handing out?

[XemaSab]

44. No

:D

[Liberal_in_LA]

38. A plus for effort

[Blue Owl]

40. "D" and that don't stand for "Democrat" either

:mad:

[Raine]

42. I never thought there'd be a day I would have to grade a Democratic President so low. nt

:-(

edit: typo

[kid a]

43. B-

[RoadRage]

45. "B" = BETTER THEN ANY REPUBLICAN

By a Million Miles...

People always seem to forget on this board that we DO NOT live in a vaccum. If McCain was president.. would we be doing better? How about with Palin.. 'cause surely after 2 years she would have seen to it that he fell down some stairs at the white house or something...

Is he perfect? NO. The "perfect" DU candidate isn't ever going to get elected in this country.. so comparing him to Kucinich, etc. is just rediculous.

[Skittles]

46. I'll give him a D, only because of his Supreme Court picks

otherwise, he fucking STINKS

[Urban Prairie]

47. C, I dunno that much of what really goes on in DC, and of the past 30 years, 2/3 were GOP Rethug

and 8 were mostly a "Blue Dog" riding atop a tech bubble. Obama was elected after dim-son, who had 8 years to royally fuck up the US, I try to keep that in mind.

Could have done better and maybe worse, lazy and indifferent non-voters last fall may have helped the teabaggers gain a foothold in Congress, instead of a toehold, IMO.

[mvd]

49. I'm not going to give him below a C until the end of his term..

when I can most evaluate. But the deal today keeps him at C, maybe C- now. If he cut SS or Medicare to the point they hurt beneficiaries (cuts I still think might come,) that would be the thing that gets him a low grade.

[roamer65]

48. C-

Only because it seems he preserved SS, and Medicare from cuts, other wise I would have given him a failing grade.

[deacon]

52. He went from a b- to a solid d- in my book. He's lost a load of credibility. n/t

[myrna minx]

54. I gave a D because I like his SC picks, otherwise I would have given him an 'F'. n/t

[LetTimmySmoke]

56. He's still a senator.

[XemaSab]

59. Like how?

:shrug:

[LetTimmySmoke]

65. I was referring to his disposition, not the office he technically holds.

[RedCloud]

57. Another F here. We did not elect a RW!

Restore where we were right before the JFK assassination. Then Mr. Obama you can truly play "moderate".

[Douglas Carpenter]

58. I voted C because because no other viable Democratic Candidates would be allowed to do much better

The current political/economic realities of the American body politic simply does not allow for progressive government. That is why today's Democratic Party is way, way to the right on economic issues to the Republican Party of Richard Nixon. That is why both Bill Clinton and Barack Obama pursued a Reaganite economic agenda - Just as across the waters Tony Blair pursued a Thatcherite economic agenda.

I do agree that given the economic collapse of 2008 and the mandate for change that swept President Obama into power - he had the opportunity to boldly push a progressive agenda. But I really didn't expect that of him. If the political power brokers of the Democratic Party and the Czars of the American media ever believed for one single second that he was a real progressive or even an old-fashioned New Dealer - they would have never, never, never, never allowed him to emerge as a viable candidate. He would have been marginalized from the beginning and declared an unstable and unelectable left-wing nut.

[NeedleCast]

61. B-

Still more stuff that he's done that I like than don't like.

[Cali_Democrat]

62. C-

[B Calm]

64. D for being a Dino