Would it be better for Democratic candidates, & for America, if Obama were to not seek re-election?

[Faryn Balyncd]

[gateley]

1. "Not just no, but HELL No!" :-) nt

[Tippy]

14. KICK and re-peat..."Not just no, but HELL NO"

[joeybee12]

2. Oh God, YES! His shitty "leading" has put Dems in the bind of trying to

support him and distance themselves from his shitty "leading."

If you thought 2010 was bad....

[newmexicodem]

3. Perhaps

As a Hillary Clinton supporter....I agree.

Don't think Hillary will run again but perhaps someone with guts such as Al Gore or some other progressive who ain't afraid to speak up.

It seems Obama is a lightning rod who has the Tea Party folks angry and who has Progressives angry as well for compromising too much

[robdogbucky]

35. "...such as Al Gore or some other progressive who ain't afraid to speak up..."

:thumbsup:

[undeterred]

4. The answer to that depends on so many things.

As frustrated as I am with him right now, I am not sure who else is going to step up and run that I am going to be happier with.

All the wrong people want this job. People who are stupid, filthy rich, and morally bankrupt want this job. (At least on the Republican side.)

There has not been any Democrat or third party candidate who has come forward and said that they are interested in running against Obama for the presidency and its already a little late for that.

Obama is brilliant and he is a decent human being. Who else wants the job that is electable and is going to do better?

[Faryn Balyncd]

38. agree

on all counts



:hi:

[tularetom]

5. Depends on who they would nominate in his place

Looking at the possibilities I'm not at all sure we can do any better.

[awoke_in_2003]

34. unfortunately, I think you are right...

which is why I voted no.

[TBF]

6. I agree with Sanders - a primary would be useful if only to reframe the dem platform,

which is little more than republican lite at the moment.

[Donnachaidh]

16. Who's to say we won't get a tsunami of utter bullshit from O if this happens?

Remember -- he was *the candidate of hope and change* during the last election. Three years later, we know that was manure. I don't think this country will survive if we listen to *I promise THIS time I'll be better* speeches.

:shrug:

[TBF]

19. We're going to get that tsunami whether we want it or not -

at least with a primary challenge we might have a shot at saving social programs.

[Donnachaidh]

22. I'm not sure I agree with what you're saying

If everything goes as planned, even with a primary challenger, Obama gets voted back in. Are you saying that he will *suddenly* get a conscience and not continue his gutting of the social safety net so he can build his *legacy* as the *bipartisan president*? Just because someone primaried him?

Do you really believe that?

He promised a liberal utopia in his first run. EVERYTHING we *wanted* was to be found in his speeches. EVERYONE thought *this is it -- we start repairing the country with this man.* And THAT thought carried his ass into the WH.

Three years later, we have double digit unemployment while Wall Street buys new corporate jets. We have terrorists in Congress demanding the country go off the cliff -- while Obama and that chinless f*ckwad doing backroom deals to put the tax burdens even more on the middle class and the poor.

So a *primary* is going to put the fear of God into BO enough to get him to play nice? :sarcasm:

Sorry -- don't mean to be cold and stubborn about this. But I'm one of those folks on medicare that he just stomped on. I think I have more than a little right to be frigging angry.

And what was that old saying -- fool me once, etc., etc.

[TBF]

30. No I agree with you - my only thought was that he may not survive the primary challenge.

The bots are very confident, but they are dealing with inside the beltway optimism. They have no clue how pissed off this country is right now.

[Donnachaidh]

32. from your lips to Dog's ear

We really need a primary candidate that has no problem highlighting the *gutting while calling it something different* tactics of this administration. The only one I can think of with cajones THAT big is Alan Grayson.

Although I'd personally love to see Bernie get drafted into the run. He's the one who speaks softly, but kicks ass with regularity.

[sasha031]

7. he has done such damage to the Democratic Party

I think it would be best.

[Motown_Johnny]

8. No, it would guarantee an (R) President for at least 4 years

and give the Tea Partiers even more power, claiming that they had driven Obama out of office.

[CakeGrrl]

9. A non-issue. He's running again. End of story. -nt

[Autumn]

10. Yes n/t

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

11. Yes. Maybe we could have a liberal to vote for. Hopefully, a liberal will primary him.

[customerserviceguy]

12. Had to put myself in the unsure category

On one hand, we're going to lose in 2012 with Obama as our nominee, I'm pretty certain of that, unless the Republicons nominate someone who looks really scary to the independents. That would certainly be Bachmann, but it could be Perry, Rachel Maddow's had his number ever since Newtie's staff went back to the Perry camp. If Romney manages to survive the fundies and get the nomination, it would be tough to get the mushy middle to be afraid of him. I'm not really sure if anybody else has a chance.

On the other hand, there is very precious little time for another Democratic potential nominee to gear up the money, organization, etc. to start winning caucuses and primaries just a half year away. It would be messy, and possibly produce a brokered convention that could look pretty ugly. Imagine if Edwards had not been a snake, and had gathered up about a quarter to a third of the delegates last time, neither Obama nor Clinton would have had enough to win.

[Ohio Joe]

13. No

Yet another in what is becoming a very long list of amazingly stupid ideas.

[LWolf]

15. Yes. nt

[EC]

17. Why on earth would we ever want another repub in office

now? If we can't get a good strong levee, wouldn't we at least sandbag and try to hold the flood back? Would we really want a repub from the types of repubs we have now in office? In four years, hopefully the tps will have been exposed as extremists and more moderates will win the day...those I can live with unhappily - but I could still live. With extremists we'll be done, the U.S. will be a third world country with no regulations and polluted to the brim.

[TheKentuckian]

33. They are about all extremist, there are no moderate Republicans of any numbers, anywhere.

and

It is better to have a unified and determined minority to oppose than a majority that collaborates.

Obama is implementing as much of the Laissez Fare and corporate agenda than ANY Republican including Reagan and Bush. He inhibits Democratic resistance to Republican policy and often is generating Democratic support for the Republican agenda by starting with essentially the last Republican position and "negotiating" toward the new TeaPubliKlan positions in order to meet the "halfway" (or more), dragging the whole party and brand with him.

His "concessions" he gets from the TeaPubliKlans is to come off the new extreme position a hair or two. Only with the Wealth Care and Profit Protection Act was he able to stay near or maybe slightly improve on the previous Republican position which was the Gingrich/RomneyCare fiasco created by the Heritage Foundation and pushed by Bob Dole but he had to do that without a solitary vote and with accepting hundreds of TeaPubliKlan amendments which will certainly booby-trap the thing to hell and back beyond it's innate suckitude and corporate welfare/too big to fail creating built in failure.

Obama is killing liberalism more than Reagan and BushCo ever could. This dude is a traveshamockery and a gremlin in the gears.

Shame on our elected for not standing up to him and blocking his goofy and plausibly treacherous bullshit.

[Major Hogwash]

18. No, instead cancel the 2012 elections saying we can't afford them, and declare himself king!

"It's good to be the king!" ~ Albert Brooks

[Kalidurga]

20. I don't know who these people are

that keep saying Obama is going to lose in 2012. The GOP doesn't have a single person that can beat Obama in a head to head election. The only one that comes close to beating him is their Generic Republican, so if he or she runs we might be in trouble.

[Major Hogwash]

26. My dad told me a long time ago back in the 1960s, the only time that you can trust a Republican

to keep his word is when they start throwing dirt over him!

[grantcart]

21. now that's a poll Republicans love.

[NYC_SKP]

23. +1

Sad but true, grantcart.

:thumbsup:

This reply is not a reflection on the posting member or the poll, merely an observation that the strategy known as "Divide and Conquer" works as well in politics as it does in battle.

:patriot:

[Donnachaidh]

24. must be fun dragging that dead horse around. n/t

[Starbucks Anarchist]

25. No, that would be stupid.

[jwirr]

27. NO

[steve2470]

28. I said no.

I hope I'm wrong, but I don't think a 100% "verifiable progressive" democrat can get elected in the current corporate media milieu. It would be 1972 all over again. I hope I'm wrong.

[Scurrilous]

29. A million times yes, yes, YES!

Do it for America Obama!

[Faygo Kid]

31. Not sure. Will he name Alan Simpson or Jeffrey Immelt to the vice presidency?

Surely a blue collar guy like Biden has outlived his usefulness.

[dameocrat67]

36. The best hope and change he could deliver!`

He is really a crappy president. I am so sorry I voted for him.

[Lyric]

37. Gods yes.

If he were to voluntarily bow out for "health reasons"? Yes, yes, YES. It would be win-win--we get rid of him, without dealing our election chances a death blow.

At this point, all we need to do is run someone who's reasonably SANE and we're going to win--after all, look at the "competition" on the other side. Crazy Eyes and Quitterella sure aren't gonna make it--the 'Thugs don't have a single strong candidate right now. This is the perfect opportunity to elect a REAL progressive, and we might not get another one for a looooong time.