What will all the chicken-littles say when more than half of Dems in House vote for the deal?

[scheming daemons]

Including a large chunk of the progressives?


And what about when nearly all Senate Dems vote for it?



What has emerged so far of the deal has been actually pretty good.

- Social Security untouched and not "on the table".
- Bush tax cuts to expire as scheduled on Dec 31, 2012.
- 1.2 trillion in discretionary spending cut over 10 year ($120 billion a year.... less than 10% of budget... a big chunk of this from the wars winding down).
- Triggers more adversely affect defense than Medicare, if they kick in.


The tea partiers are apoplectic over this deal. More Democrats will vote for it in the House than Republicans.

[Davis_X_Machina]

1. By suppertime tomorrow...

...there will be only thirty seven real Democrats in the country<1>. Not in the House, in the country.

<1> Figure based on the speed at which people on DU are reading each other out of the Party, and straight-line extrapolation.

[KittyWampus]

2. BTW, you can cut Medicare costs by bargaining for drugs. So Progressives WILL support this.

[dsc]

4. On what planet do you think the GOP will let that happen

seriously?

[maryellen99]

15. this is why I still think we will default nt

[DURHAM D]

26. Not just GOP - don't forget Obama made that deal with the big

drug companies and didn't even tell Pelosi for weeks.

[eleny]

11. And when big pharma stamps it's collective foot - you think Dems won't cave?

Let me hold my side.

[MadHound]

3. I will say what I've said all along

That the American people will suffer and the American economy will tank. You do not undertake the largest spending cuts in history during the middle of an economic crisis and expect your economy to grow.

More people are going to lose their jobs, and this economic crisis will deepen, and millions of people will suffer.

[scheming daemons]

9. If the cuts are back-ended toward the end of the 10 years, then it won't hurt as much as you think

[MadHound]

18. Big if.

And even if they are, you are simply putting off the pain. Due to the fact that this president and Congress have refused all along to do the right thing when it comes to the economy, namely a large WPA style jobs creation program, we're in for a lost decade economically ala Japan. So, ten years from now, when we're barely climbing out of the hole we've dug, we get hit over the head with the shovel of these cuts. Not smart, not smart at all.

Especially since we still have the option for a clean bill, or the 14th amendment on the table.

Oh, and why are you including the expiration of the tax cuts as part of the deal. They are going to expire anyway. Some deal eh.

[salvorhardin]

5. Source please?

I've been seeing contradictory information all day long.

[scheming daemons]

12. That is what ABC has been reporting... if they're wrong, then they're wrong....

...it is what I am going by.

[salvorhardin]

20. I'm not saying they are wrong

I've just been seeing all kinds of contradictory shit claimed for this, as far as I know, still secret deal. I sincerely hope ABC is one of the ones that has it right.

[William769]

6. We shall see.

[Logical]

7. I will love that deal! And obama knows SS cuts would have sunk him!

[tkmorris]

8. It'd be helpful if you didn't call people names. Thanks!

[still_one]

10. You really think this will pass in the house? /nt

[scheming daemons]

13. If Nancy can deliver 100 to 120 Democrats, then yes.

[still_one]

19. I don't think the Democrats will be the problem. It is hard to distinguish teabaggers from the

current republican party in the house

Maybe I am wrong, we will know by tomorrow

[LaydeeBug]

14. We will say that it's a raw fucking deal on a made up crisis, because THAT'S JUST WHAT IT IS. nt

[joeybee12]

16. The Repukes got everything they wanted, and yet the sycophants spin

this as a victory...how much lower can you lower that bar?

[scheming daemons]

21. Really? Go read some RW blogs... they are up in arms...

Worse than DU is.

[Ozymanithrax]

22. They are priming the pump for the next big capitulation...

It is a game of Limbaugh...
How low can you go.
How low can you go.

[scheming daemons]

24. They are calling for Boehner and McConnell's heads... *THEY* are using the word capitulation more

than DU is.

[alsame]

32. They are too stupid to realize this will affect them too. You think

the RW doesn't love SS, Medicare and Medicaid?

Right now they are treating this like a big game, with winners and losers, because they've been programmed to do so. It's childish.

As long as they can call this a loss for Obama, they're happy. But just wait until the day they find out they can't get their SS...then they will realize they've been had.

[sendero]

29. That doesn't mean SHIT...

... and if you don't know that I don't know what to tell you.

There shouldn't have been ANY DEAL, no other president has had to GIVE AWAY THE STORE to get the debt ceiling raised - it has always been a perfunctory action in the past. This is happening to Obama because he is seen as WEAK by the opposition for GOOD REASON.

Trying to make this into some kind of victory for Obama will only work with the stupid and the willfully ignorant.

[Ozymanithrax]

17. I will say to them, "Screw you and the donkey you rode in on..."

I did not vote for a Teaparty
I did not vote for a Teapublican.
I did not vote for a Republican.
I did not vote for a KGR (Kinder Gentler Republican).
I voted for a Democrat.

If it looks like a Republican,
and votes like a Republican,
it's a Republican.
And I will not step in it again.

If it said it is a progressive, it is a LIAR.
If it said it is a liberal, it is a LIAR.
If it said it is a Democrat, it is a LIAR.

It is a Republican.

[Poll_Blind]

23. Exactly what the reps have been saying- that Obama makes shitty backroom deals with Repukes and...

...that the House and Senate Dems are under the gun to accept the President's "deal" or whatever the current crisis is will explode.

Reid: 'I'm the Senate majority leader. Why don't I know about this deal?'

Focusing on Obama, Conyers continued. "We want him to know from this day forward that we've had it."

But you knew that already! Let us know how that works out for you and your buddies!

:rofl:

PB

[DURHAM D]

27. Yep - like I said last night,

Obama and the Republicans have the Democrats in a vice.

[Enrique]

25. i dont think thats the deal

for one thing, I dont think the Bush tax cuts expiring is guaranteed.

[DCBob]

30. Apparently Obama said today he would veto any legislation that included a provision to extend..

the Bush tax cuts.

[Enrique]

33. so it would depend on Obama keeping his word

its not written into the deal. that i believe.

The OP says the lapsing of the taxcuts is part of the deal. That I dont believe.

[durablend]

31. Yea, didn't we hear that story...um...before?

Republicans will yell "BOO!" and the tax cuts will be extended (if not made permanent)

[sad sally]

34. A post (yours) that speaks the truth. Who in their campaigning-mode mind

will touch the subject of increased taxes for all in 2012? Not congress, not the president - the cry will be "now is not the time to raise taxes." The Bush/Obama tax cut will become permanent until a new lower tax rate for millionairs and billionairs can be hashed out.

[City Lights]

28. Who are the "chicken littles" to which you refer? eom

[whatchamacallit]

35. Since this was all unnecessary, and nothing more than Shock Doctrine Kabuki

I'll say the cowards who voted for it - and their smarmy apologists - are traitorous assholes.

[readmoreoften]

36. Your spin is so outrageous it's not worth responding to.

[LonePirate]

37. The Bush tax cuts already expire on 12/31/12. How exactly is that a sweetener for Dems?

[Enrique]

38. good point

the only way its a sweetener is if its assumed that Obama would have extended them again otherwise. Is that the assumption everyone is working from?

[readmoreoften]

40. What!? Obama's minions give him credit for fabricated wins due to lack of authentic wins?!

Impossible. :sarcasm:

[Ikonoklast]

41. Theybcould be used to hold other legislation hostage if still in force.

Like before, and now.

It will no longer be a bargaining chip.

[philly_bob]

39. You're right, but tone of your OP is hostile. (nt)