That bill is going nowhere

[malaise]

I just saw Nancy - vote it down Nancy!!

[AtomicKitten]

1. If it screws with the social safety net - JUST SAY NO!!!

[KittyWampus]

4. It doesn't.

[EFerrari]

7. Yes, it does.

If the committee fails to reach $1.2 trillion, it will trigger an automatic across the board spending cut, half from domestic spending, half from defense spending, of $1.5 trillion. The domestic cuts come from Medicare providers, but Medicaid and Social Security would be exempted. The enforcement mechanism carves out programs that help the poor and veterans as well.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/07/reid-agrees-to-major-debt-limit-deal----heres-what-hes-signed-off-on.php

[woolldog]

12. what do you think the chances are

that the super-committee being set up won't recommend changes in social security, medicare, and medicaid in November? Honest question, because I believe the chances of them not recommending "entitlement reform" are exactly zero.

[EFerrari]

16. I think you are being optimistic.

The GOP is at this moment trying to whittle down the defense cut provision per TPM.

@TPM Talking Points Memo
GOP Seeks To Weaken Defense Cuts In Key Part Of Debt Limit Deal http://tpm.ly/peRGRT


http://twitter.com/#!/TPM/status/97806570234187776

[woolldog]

21. True.

There's a chance that they'll like the triggers so much they'll sabotage the committee intentionally.

[bowens43]

18. LOL!!!!

You're kidding right......

Here's what we'll get, cuts to medicare, social security and no tax increases.


Obama and Reid are giving away everything. There is a very good chance that the Republicans will contriol the House, the Senate and the oval office after the 2012 election.

They may as well be killing the elderly and the sick themselves.

[flamingdem]

2. I know what you mean, her expression of eeesh nt

[KittyWampus]

3. She'll vote for it. It doesn't touch Entitlements & cuts get stretched out over many years.

It's the Teabaggers who might kill it off.

[EFerrari]

5. It' s been pointed out to you that you're wrong about that.

But maybe Nancy will hold out. I doubt it, but maybe she will.

[Big Blue Marble]

6. What are you saying that it does not touch entitlements?

The special commission that will be appointed is required to cut entitlements, .... or entitlements will be cut.

[originalpckelly]

8. I know, it's just bullshit the people who are stupid enough to fall for it all believe.

We are so fucked here.

[readmoreoften]

10. They're nor stupid. They are intentionally obscuring the debate. This is how they do it.

[KittyWampus]

14. The stupid people are those who can't see the reality through their hatred.

[Donnachaidh]

19. nice smoke job

:eyes:

[Big Blue Marble]

27. Where did I say anything about hatred?

My concern that significant numbers of people will see their lives dramatically diminished or even cut
short by these cuts. The emotion I am feeling right now is fear, fear for our country and our way of life.

[KittyWampus]

13. Not one thread about the potential deal says that.

[EFerrari]

25. I put the link for you in #7. n/t

[BzaDem]

23. No, this is not accurate for the most part. If the commission doesn't agree, Medicare benefits, SS,

and Medicaid are EXEMPT from cuts (along with programs for the poor like food stamps). The only thing in the trigger that is technically entitlement spending are limited cuts to providers, which were likely coming anyway due to HCR.

If the commission doesn't agree, then there will be nearly a trillion of defense cuts, but no entitlement benefit cuts.

[Big Blue Marble]

29. Do you really think that cutting payments to providers

does not impact beneficiaries? Why are they called providers?

Cuts will mean reduced services in a profit-driven health care system. Who will be impacted by those cuts
in service? The providers or the Beneficiaries?

[in_cog_ni_to]

9. I agree. The Black Caucus and Progressive Caucus BOTH refuse to support it.

Who's left? The RWers, Teabaggers and Faux Dem Blue Dogs?

I feel the 14th Amendment coming on.

[malaise]

11. Ellison is on M$NBComcast now n/t

[in_cog_ni_to]

15. He's not about to support that crap bill! That rocked!

:loveya:

[flamingdem]

24. What are the numbers on any discussions of Medicare and SS? nt

[EFerrari]

28. I put a link in #7 to a run down. n /t

[spanone]

17. the neanderthals won't vote for it

[bowens43]

20. lets hope the left and theright

cooperate to kill this piece of shit

[Hello World]

22. The Elite have painted themselves in a corner, if the left and right hold firm

for if no deal can get through, we are heading for default, and then the rich, will start feeling the pain the rest of us already have.

However, I would like to think that they would be forced to just pass a CLEAN bill that only raises the debt ceiling like they should have from the start.

Have they over-reached?

[EFerrari]

26. Maybe. I hope so. n/t