NRA statement on Giffords shooting

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"Our thoughts and prayers are with the victims of this senseless tragedy, including Representative Gabrielle Giffords, and their families during this difficult time. We join the rest of the country in praying for the quick recovery of those injured."

http://home.nra.org/#/home

[villager]

1. "...however, selling large ammo clips to the deranged remains, in our view, a fine idea"

n/t

[Kolesar]

2. Is that all?

My cubicle-surfer-filter blocks the url as "weapons".

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[Green_Lantern]

6. if more of the crowd ccwed it'd probably ended sooner...

nt

[KansasVoter]

7. Yes, and more of the crowd shot accidentally!

[Green_Lantern]

9. ccw requires same training cops get...

Would presence of police helped?

correction: in Arizona no permit is required

[KansasVoter]

10. BULLSHIT......

Many states require no training, some not even the need to fire a gun once! And COPS get way more training than one day! Post a retraction to your stupid post!

[krispos42]

21. Hard to say.

People tend to scatter when gunfire breaks out. Obviously, it could be worst. It also could have been better. If the CCW permitee had "only" shot 10 people before somebody returned fire, but that also killed two innocent bystanders, then yes, it would have been better.

BUT then we have an entire new discussion unfolding. Accusation of a cowboy mentality, or a "John McClane" wanna-be. Plus, the person who shot the assassin may now be in a boatload of criminal and civil legal trouble.

In fact, the attitude of some people and some states towards armed self-defense would have the permitee put in prison on the basis that the permitee was not in immediate danger and could have retreated to safety without discharging his weapon. Or, even if he didn't face charges for shooting the assassin, he would be brought up on charges for the bystanders.

Some political policies follow the "penny wise but dollar stupid" theory, and slamming good-intentioned people acting in a crisis means that in future crisis people may not act to expediently solve it, even if they could.

Many states have a "Good Sumerian" law, something to the effect of you're immune from prosecution if you try to help somebody in an emergency situation and screw it up or otherwise fail. If somebody has a heart attack and you try and fail to do CPR, they you're not responsible for the death. Of if you try CPR but accidentally break a person's rib and causing a fatal internal hemorrhage. Without that law, some people will not act in a crisis for fear of criminal or civil prosecution. That is in their own personal best-interest, but overall is detrimental to society.

:shrug:

After the Columbine shooting, police procedures nationwide changed. Instead of securing a perimeter and sending for a SWAT team, now the police charge in as soon as they arrive on scene to confront the shooters. When something like this happens, the best way overall to deal with it is to end it as soon as possible. Penny foolish, perhaps, if you're the first cop on the scene, but dollar wise.

One tool for stopping attempts at mass shootings is to give complete protection to those that try to stop them.

[iverglas]

8. Aha

Arizona essentially allows anyone and their dog to promenade around with firearms anywhere, anytime.

So if no one in that crowd was (a) carrying a firearm, and (b) willing to use that firarm to protect people at an event organized by a Democratic elected representative, it seems Arizona needs to go a step or two farther.

Only laws that require all "law-abiding citizens" to tote a firearm with them when they go to the mall, and to use it when necessary, will ensure the safety of the public, I think.

[Green_Lantern]

12. Maybe no one was carrying...

Why is that hard to believe?

[iverglas]

15. Exactly! What did you fail to understand here??

If someone had been toting a firearm around the mall, all this carnage could have been prevented or at least minimized.

Maybe somebody was, and just chose not to do anything.

So you need a law.

If you go to the mall, you MUST have a firearm on your person.
If you are in the mall when bad things start to happen, your MUST use your firearm to stop them.

This is plainly the only rational response to the firarms carnage in which the USofA is engulfed.

I am sure you will agree.



typo fixed

[Statistical]

17. One guy was carrying but he was in another store.

When he heard gunshots he ran TOWARDS the gunfire knowing he could help. When he arrived the suspect was in a physical struggle so he did the right thing and joined the struggle pinning the gun to the ground rather than fire into a crowd.

[rustydog]

20. WHAT!!!!! this is sarcasm, right? You could not be serious, right?

You are a police officer responding to a shots fired call in your extremely safe Mall due to everyone carrying.
The "bad guy" decided to rob Dunkin'donuts. the customer at Spencer's across the way sees this and draws down on the gunman and fires. The Annie oakley of Victoria's Secret sees the Spencer's shooter, decides he is the bad guy and opens fire with her S&W 357 (she loves old-style). A customer entering the mall hearing the shooting decides the Dunkin' donuts shooter is the bad guy and opens fire...who do the police confront first?

Jumping Jesus CHRIST. More guns in the hands of people who TALK a good fight is not the answer, it simply is NOT. I own guns, I am anti open-carry and I firmly believe in firmer gun control laws.

We need common sense, not heated rhetoric.

[Kolesar]

13. In fantasy-land ... eom

[Green_Lantern]

14. no...in a land where we can't imagine police being unarmed

nt

[Dappleganger]

18. She should have had security.

Just my opinion, armchair quarterback here. Still, at least one shot or two would probably have gone off in the crowd.

[Renew Deal]

19. I'm pretty sure the teabagger on MTP said that yesterday.

From Idaho

[CC]

4. If they can control themselves

and leave it at this they are actually doing it right. Now if all the other self-involved attention seekers could do the same.

[qb]

5. The NRA should STFU. Their contribution just pollutes this tragic situation.

[spanone]

11. how nice of them to 'include' the critically wounded congresswoman

[lpbk2713]

16. Basically a form letter.

They will use the same copy next time.

And needless to say, there WILL be a next time.