Family Members of Loughner blockade themselves in Their house

[MadBadger]

Family members of the suspect in the Gabrielle Giffords shooting on Monday blockaded themselves into their home north of Tucson and were refusing FBI agents' entry.

At about 12:25 p.m., agents began banging on the blockade built with 4-by-4 double-thick plywood, yelling, "This is the FBI. Let us in." The blockade is preventing access to the front porch of the home.

Some agents were sent behind the house, and media representatives could hear the agents talking with someone from inside the house.

It's not immediately clear why the family of Jared Loughner were preventing law enforcement entry. Loughner remains in custody and has an appearance in federal court later Monday.



Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2011/01/10/20110110gabrielle-giffords-shooting-suspect-family-barricade-brk10-ON.html#ixzz1AfJsEook

[seabeyond]

1. interesting. nt

[mbperrin]

2. Could be an odd background.

Blockade is an interesting word.

[justiceischeap]

3. Maybe the entire family is paranoid and he isn't mentally ill but acting on learned

behavior. I guess that could still make him mentally ill but maybe he comes by this through nurture.

[MadBadger]

5. Thats what a neighbor kind of inferred

That he was just as reclusive as the rest of his family

[EFerrari]

9. He got his DNA somewhere. I hope no one gets hurt. n/t

[Drale]

4. Sounds like hes family might be

one of Palins Anti-government fanatics as well? I could be wrong, but what other reason is there not to allow the FBI, I assume with a warrant, in? Unless they are doing something illegal in there like cooking up meth or something.

[snagglepuss]

6. Wouldn't have police immediately entered the home to collect

evidence after the arrest?

[Vinnie From Indy]

8. WTF?

One would think that the FBI would not take "no" for an answer if they were there to collect evidence in the shooting of a federal judge and congresswoman.

[EFerrari]

10. They don't want any more bloodshed in an already high profile case

that's causing a lot of tension. I hope.

[Vinnie From Indy]

11. I guess these folks are lucky they are not Muslims

The place would have been blown to smithereens by a drone by now.

Michael Moore had it right when he offered in his tweet:

If a Detroit Muslim put a map on the web w/crosshairs on 20 pols, then 1 of them got shot, where would he b sitting right now? Just asking.

MMFlint
Michael Moore

[EFerrari]

15. Yep. n/t

[bullwinkle428]

32. I was about to post, "If it was a mosque, it would be leveled by now!"

[AlabamaLibrul]

48. I'm thinking of MOVE

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOVE

[walldude]

44. I posted a comment like that here Saturday night

and was told I was full of baloney. At least she didn't say "shit". :rofl:

[snagglepuss]

17. But what if the parents are destroying evidence? What if the parents

were involved? This just seems insane.

[EFerrari]

21. What do you want, for the FBI to go in there with their guns out?

*That* would be insane.

They got the guy at the scene, lots of witnesses, plus his own writing. They have a case already.

[Mojeoux]

36. Bull pucky They have evidence in that house.

This country NEEDS to know as much about this kid that we can.

[EFerrari]

37. There is no pressing need to shoot down the door.

If you want evidence, I assume that includes making sure the parents aren't gunned down before they can testify.

[MineralMan]

41. The usual explanation is "to prevent destruction of evidence."

That can be considered a pressing need, and usually is. If they have a warrant, they will enter, regardless.

[EFerrari]

47. That's a judgment call. The perp is in custody. n/t

[Mojeoux]

51. I take this insenitive post back

The cops had already search the house. By the neighbor's account the parents inside were simply devested and sobbing all day long.

[liberalhistorian]

46. Never mind

nt

[nadinbrzezinski]

14. Not without a warrant

They will cross every t and dot every i on a high profile case and MOST low profile cases.

Of course the Warrant could be radioed in... not kidding.

[snagglepuss]

20. In a situation like where they have the killer under arrest wouldn't a

warrant be issued immediately?

[nadinbrzezinski]

29. That is where the radio comes in

[proud2BlibKansan]

42. They did on Saturday

They said something about getting a letter from a safe in his house.

[MattBaggins]

7. What's that saying. Something about not falling far from a tree?

[pintobean]

12. Maybe the blockade was for the news media

and the FBI showed up.

[Barack_America]

28. That would be my guess. nt

[TBF]

39. That makes sense - once you hear someone say that they are actually

from the FBI you would let them in with a warrant. You don't have to talk - refer questions to your attorney. But I don't think you can refuse access if they've got the warrant.

[Gormy Cuss]

13. This is getting weirder.

Very weird that the family is blocking access with plywood. A lawyer would be a more effective way to block it. Maybe they simply are trying to protect their son and are furiously destroying evidence. OTOH, maybe it's something else.

[bushisanidiot]

18. Yep! I think they're trying to destroy any evidence that they influenced his deranged

behavior. they are probably busy scrubbing their emails and internet usage evidence.

[jtown1123]

25. tough sh**. They can't scrub anything unless they burn their computers. It's all still there.

[EFerrari]

23. The father seems to have something going on, some Axis 2 something. nt

[Gormy Cuss]

33. Any hint that the father is the "person of interest?"

That guy was described as in his 40s or 50s (the right age to be Loughner's father.)

[EFerrari]

35. No. That guy turned out to be the cab driver and was absolved.

He hung out a little at the scene because the kid didn't pay the fare.

There is no reason that I know of to suspect the parents are anything but the parents and one of them may be not all right.

[Gormy Cuss]

38. Thanks

I was looking for info on the second person.... poor cabbie must've had a helluva a day yesterday.

[EFerrari]

43. Seriously.

:(

[DURHAM D]

16. Also from azcentral - get a load of this Republican state legislator blaming the Sheriff

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2011/01/10/20110110arizona-shooting-gun-politics-rhetoric.html

[likesmountains 52]

19. What a quote! Geez

If he would have done his job, maybe this doesn't happen," Harper told USA Today on Monday. "Sheriff Dupnik did not provide for the security of a U.S. congresswoman."

"When everyone is carrying a firearm, nobody is going to be a victim," Harper continued. "The socialists of today are only one gun confiscation away from being the communists of tomorrow."

Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2011/01/10/20110110arizona-shooting-gun-politics-rhetoric.html#ixzz1AfN8aDjQ

[DeschutesRiver]

22. Here are some links - neighbor problems, father was aggressive

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/10/us/10shooter.html?hp=&pagewanted=all

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x153673

After googling just a bit on the family, I can't say I am surprised that they are holed up right now.

[MineralMan]

24. Ruh-roh....this won't end well, I think.

The FBI will enter the house if they have a warrant. That trick never works.

[onecent]

26. But I've been hearing all morning that police had a letter to or from

Gabrielle that was locked up in a safe in his home. ??? Confusing

[Fleshdancer]

27. The police were already in the house yesterday, right?

We were told that documents were pulled out of some safe in his house and we were told he lived with his parents. Actually, I assume it was the police, but perhaps it was the FBI who found the documents? But now the parents won't let them in today. Well ok then. I don't know what to think about this.

[onecent]

30. maybe the news media is lying about a letter in a safe...who knows..n/t

[Pathwalker]

45. Then so was the head of the FBI. He mentioned it yesterday.

[lpbk2713]

31. What was it the BushBots used to like to say?

Oh yes.

"What have you got to hide?" :rofl:

[spanone]

34. k&r....

[Liberal_in_LA]

40. I hope no one else gets hurt

[Blue Owl]

49. Maybe they're quickly dismantling their Sarah Palin shrine room

n/t

[starroute]

50. Story at that link now says the FBI did get in

"Some agents were sent behind the house, and they were able to get inside after talking to family members."