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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 03:25 PM
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Can anyone name a liberal, progressive or 'left' pundit who's called for violence?
"I tell people don't kill all the liberals. Leave enough so we can have two on every campus--living fossils--so we we'll never forget what these people stood for."



Can anyone find a liberal, progressive or "leftist" pundit who has called for violence against conservatives?

Can anyone find a liberal, progressive or "leftist" pundit who has called for violence against anyone?

Sorry to break it to Rush and his dittoheads, I can't find a single one.

The reason: The lefties I know actually care for ALL people -- even people with whom they disagree.



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TygrBright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 03:29 PM
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1. Well, the Rudester frequently alludes to highly perverted and, um, unusual...
...forms of forcible sexual interaction, but contextually they hardly equate to eliminationism.

helpfully,
Bright
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 03:43 PM
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8. Limbaugh and his words reveal a lot about his sick psyche.
Edited on Mon Jan-10-11 04:05 PM by Octafish
“Some of these babes, I’m telling you, like the sexual harassment crowd. They’re out there protesting what they actually wish would happen to them sometimes.” -- Rush Limbaugh

SOURCE: http://www.writeslikeshetalks.com/2009/02/26/rushs-greatest-sexist-hits-more-poll-info-on-weak-performance-wwomen/

EDIT: Typpo'd the sick psycho's psyche.
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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 09:39 PM
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94. The Rude One has an audience of what two or three thousand that
read his missives on a weekly basis??

And he makes it so disgusting/rude that no one could even comprehend doing something like that other that certain repukes.

The Anal Cysted One has millions of listeners and a vast Reich Wing Empire and he does and is allowed to actually say things that are even worse.

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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 03:31 PM
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2. Nope.I wouldn't be a liberal if they did.
k&R
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 04:38 PM
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36. Absolutely.
And for those who think this guy's ancient history:

"What do our opponents mean when they apply to us the label 'Liberal?' If by 'Liberal' they mean, as they want people to believe, someone who is soft in his policies abroad, who is against local government, and who is unconcerned with the taxpayer's dollar, then the record of this party and its members demonstrate that we are not that kind of 'Liberal.' But if by a 'Liberal' they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people -- their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties -- someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a 'Liberal,' then I'm proud to say I'm a 'Liberal.'" -- Then-Sen. John F. Kennedy (Democrat -- Massachusetts)

SOURCE (the whole speech is worth keeping): http://www.liberalparty.org/JFKLPAcceptance.html
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 03:31 PM
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3. How about elected officials?
No party can control the millions of ordinary people who support them, but they CAN control who they give credibility to and what their candidates and elected officials say.

They can also distance themselves from radicals like Sarah Palin and Rush Limbaugh who promote violence in their rhetoric.

I cannot think of a single Democratic candidate or elected official who has advised the use of the 2nd Amendment if the ballot box fails, eg.


It's possible, but I can't think of one.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 04:40 PM
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37. That's the thing...Right-wingers have gotten away with calling for violence for decades.
And some smear the left at every chance they get. Remember Ann Coulter's interesting observation?



Why would Ann Coulter Lie About Lee Harvey Oswald and then slander MoveOn.org?
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kwolf68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 03:33 PM
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4. Abbie Hoffman

That's about all I got. And he doesn't really count anymore.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 03:48 PM
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9. Well, Malcolm X did say "Stop singing and start swinging".
But these are in response to violence already perpetrated against those people. It's just not the same at all.

And these are also individuals who had no mainstream voice.

I could go on. But basically they were not the Wizard behind the curtain, like Palin and Limbaugh.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 03:50 PM
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14. Was Malcolm X a "pundit"?
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 04:28 PM
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33. No. He was making a legitimate point.
Edited on Mon Jan-10-11 04:30 PM by Gregorian
I truly hope this is a pivotal point in our unbalanced media system.

Oops. I see what you were doing. I replied without really thinking. But it is yet another example of how responsible we've been.
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 05:57 PM
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57. Malcolm X wasn't a liberal. n/t
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 06:21 PM
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60. I was afraid someone would say that.
He was not a conservative. I always thought he had far more liberal leaning.

What would you classify him as?

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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 06:48 PM
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66. He was neither. He was apolitical and non-ideological. He was, however, very
Edited on Mon Jan-10-11 06:49 PM by Liberal_Stalwart71
religious. However, he was conservative on social issues, for example, women were to remain silent and submissive to their husband. The form of Islam that he followed was conservative, not liberal. I think his daughters are probably more liberal-leaning in their observation of Islam, but not their father.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 08:55 PM
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83. Somewhat accurate,
somewhat not. Malcolm was very vocal about politics throughout his public career. And, in the last years of his life, was closely associated with several politicians. (I have a nice photograph of him on the steps of the state house, with those politicians.)

The NOI was conservative. Malcolm was, in many ways, conservative, too. He was also progressive.
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 09:03 PM
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85. Yeah, he did in later years of life, but there is nothing in his writings or speeches
that purveyed liberalism. There may have been some elements of social justice, sure, to which he espoused, but I never saw any evidence of liberalism. If I'm wrong, please point that out.

Being seen in pictures with politicians doesn't necessarily signal ideology and political preference. I think he agreed with politicians who argued for social justice, like MLK. But even MLK was had issues with women. The Civil Rights Movement itself was very paternalist-oriented. Very male-centric.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 09:19 PM
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90. Nor did I
suggest, in any way, that Malcolm was ever a liberal.

More: Malcolm did not advocate violence. He did advocate self-defense. There is a distinction that some here are attempting to blur, either out of ignorance, or purposely.

Odd when people go out of their way to try to interject nonsense about a Malcolm or a Martin in this discussion.
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 09:31 PM
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92. O.K. Calm down. I see your point. I just didn't see any evidence
of his liberalism apart from his embrace of social justice when it came to civil rights. There are certainly threads of liberalism throughout that discussion, but he himself, not so much...not even in his later, evolved life. Trust me, this is something I, as a black woman, struggled with. I wanted to fully embrace Malcolm X, but the misogyny and conservative elements I couldn't get down with.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 09:37 PM
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 11:24 PM
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104. I guess I opened my mouth where I shouldn't have.
It seemed to me that Malcolm X was advocating violence, and I always saw it as self protection. In a way it seemed to fit this discussion. But I know next to nothing about the man. So I've learned around here that it's easy to get into trouble around such educated folks.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 06:33 PM
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64. Was Malcolm X a "leftie?"
Why?
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 03:48 PM
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11. You may have me there, but Abbie Hoffman didn't actually incite people to do it from a bully pulpit.
Although, he did say it:

"All you kiddies remember to lay off the needle drugs, the only dope worth shooting is Richard Nixon." -- Abbie Hoffman

SOURCE: http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Abbie_Hoffman
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 03:49 PM
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12. I believe the OP used the term "pundit" for a reason.
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denverbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 04:00 PM
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22. Yes, and I don't consider Malcolm X or Abbie Hoffman 'liberals' or progressives. They were radicals
Extremists.

Lenin, Marx, the French Revolutionaries. All of them called for violence and all were left-wing, but all were extremists, not liberals or progressives. And there is no left-wing extremist on the radio or TV. Nothing even close.
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kickysnana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 07:39 PM
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79. +1
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 03:50 PM
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15. PUNDIT n/t
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 04:01 PM
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23. Oh, please.
Abbie's "threats" included a "nude-in" and "dumping LSD into the city reservoir" in Chicago.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 03:37 PM
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5. Ever?
Edited on Mon Jan-10-11 03:40 PM by Recursion
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 04:43 PM
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38. If you got a name, I'd like to read it.
Otherwise, I'll check that off as "I don't know of any liberal, progressive or "leftist" media pundits calling for violence."
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 04:57 PM
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42. Well if you are talking about ever in history, there have pretty obiously been tons
From Robbespierre to Lenin.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 05:50 PM
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54. How did you come up with Lenin being a liberal and/or progressive.
I bet the list is shorter than you think.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 06:30 PM
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62. If Lenin wasn't on the "Left" where the hell was he? (nt)
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DeadEyeDyck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 07:00 PM
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72. got me there! n/t
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 07:09 PM
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74. He believed in ruling by dictatorship.
Oh right the socialism = leftist thing...went right over my head.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 07:00 PM
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71. Why not go back to the Aztecs? How about the Babylonians?
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stevenleser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 09:50 PM
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97. They were not pundits.
Edited on Mon Jan-10-11 09:50 PM by stevenleser
certainly not in the modern sense anyway
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kctim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 03:38 PM
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6. Does calling for violence
against the rich or big corporations count?
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 07:13 PM
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77. Yes... show me where you've seen that...
Nothing like that sticks in the world where I live.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 08:26 PM
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81. Of course.
Could you please give me the name of -- or a link to -- a liberal, progressive or "leftish" pundit who has called for violence against a rich person, the rich as a class or CEOs of big corporations?
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AmandaRuth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 03:41 PM
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7. people might point to Randy Rhodes (whom I adore)
or Mike Malloy. But, I can't give you specific examples. My big thing is the violent rhetoric has been coming from people/groups in any official capacity, such as the county Repub. group that put up a billboard calling for revolution, and the myriad's of examples of such speech coming from elected officials or candidates.

Also, the ditto heads might bring up the millions of photoshopped pics of palin and bush that were produced during the election, and again, I say, someone expressing frustration by making a picture of bush with blood dripping out of his mouth, that passes it on to his friends, is no comparison to leaders in their official capacity talking about revolution, and killing the (snarl) liberals.

There is no comparison. I am chocked with sadness and grief that the mainstream media cannot, and will not get this through their collective conciseness.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 03:50 PM
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13. The OP asked for examples, not names thrown out willy-nilly.
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AmandaRuth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 03:59 PM
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21. I'm sorry (really, not be sarcastic here, I am sorry)
I though I had a valid point. There are plenty of right wing sites that have actual quotes, I don't have the stomach to go there.
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RockaFowler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 05:03 PM
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46. Randy has never used violent rhetoric
I have listened to her for at least 15 years now. Not once has she used the violent rhetoric I have heard from Sarah Palin or Beck or Limpballs
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AmandaRuth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 05:13 PM
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47. I totally believe you, I don't listen
to Randi every day, but do quite often. I love her style because she is smart and brash, and can cut threw the BS to make a point. I have some some light surfing on con sites (it sickens me), and Randi and Mike are the two most often brought up as being "just like beck and hannity". Which is bs.
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mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 03:48 PM
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10. I've heard "both sides do it" 50 times in the last few days.
It's wrong and maddening every single time. No matter who says it. (Say it ain't so, Jonathan Alter!)
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 11:02 PM
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100. David Brooks is one to talk.
The little puke's been spreading that very meme all day long.

Yet the early coverage and commentary of the Tucson massacre suppressed this evidence. The coverage and commentary shifted to an entirely different explanation: Loughner unleashed his rampage because he was incited by the violent rhetoric of the Tea Party, the anti-immigrant movement and Sarah Palin.

Brooks doesn't want you to even ask about how he knows about "Connnnnnncave and Connnnnnnnvex."



Sometimes the Truth is Friggin' Bizarre

by Scoobie Davis

May 8, 2006—SAN DIEGO (scoobiedavis.blogspot.com)—In David Brooks's latest column, titled "The Paranoid Style," (read it free here ) he writes:

Needless to say, (Kevin) Phillips's book (American Theocracy) is rife with bizarre assertions. (Phillips) writes that "many Orthodox Jewish females cannot even study the Torah," that the Rev. Sun Myung Moon "has been close to the Bush family," that the American Revolution was "in many ways a religious war."

Brooks's flippant treatment of Phillips' claim about the Bush family and Sun Myung Moon illustrates how dysfunctional Washington culture is and how clueless the nation's press corps and punditocracy are about how Moon has become a huge power player in Washington.

For those of you reading this unfamiliar with Moon, here's a brief tutorial: Sun Myung Moon established the Unification Church in 1954 because he claimed that Jesus appeared to him and authorized him to do the work left unaccomplished after His crucifixion (Moon has since claimed that his messiahship was endorsed by Buddha, Muhammad, and every dead U.S. president). Moon's church grew rapidly in membership and funds even though Moon was arrested by South Korean authorities who were suspicious about Moon's rather convenient claim that God endowed his penis with the authority to "bless the wombs" of young women in his flock. In 1971, after amassing a fortune from the labors of his devotees and establishing close connections with Park Chung Hee's authoritarian regime in South Korea, Moon decided he had bigger fish to fry and moved to the United States. Throughout the 1970's, Moon courted the powerful (such as President Nixon) and the church spent millions spreading Moon's message of world unity to Americans. As a result, the Unification Church experienced a (small) influx of upper-middle class college students in its ranks.

However, by the end of the 1970's, Moon's effort to convert America to Moonie principles was a dismal failure; in a 1979 survey of American attitudes of 155 well-known people, Moon was ranked 154th--the only person ranked behind Moon was Charles Manson. The reason: Most Americans are sane people; the more they learned about Moon, the less they liked him. They didn't like the idea of a self-proclaimed messiah calling for the destruction of American democracy (which he calls "Satan's Harvest") and the establishment of a one-world theocracy in which Moon rules and dissenters are "digested." I suspect it also rankled many Americans that a messiah who had unleashed his divine blessing rod on the lotus blossoms of naive female devotees would claim that American women were descended from "a line of prostitutes." They didn't like the idea of their children being recruited to spend long hours hawking flowers and trinkets so that Moon could live like a king.

CONTINUED...

http://www.americanpolitics.com/20060508Scoobie.html



"Conca-aaaaa-ve and Connnnn-vex." -- Sun Myung Moon, describing the sexual symbolism of male and female genitalia.

Almost forgot: David Brooks is a Moonie.
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 03:51 PM
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16. I can't even name a "left" pundit. nt
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 03:59 PM
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20. I agree, just can name a few people on the left
that are angry, mean, say inappropriate things, but none of them come close to the same media exposure as those on the right. For there to be an equivalency in words and rhetoric there has to be an equivalency in accessibility to the media. And for starters there isn't even that. The "craziest" liberal out there is KO and countdown isn't even close in availability on cable of any fox show. On the radio it's even worse. In print... look at any op ed section of most major papers and you generally see either a balanced op ed section or one heavily right leaning. Only in blog space do you regularly see the "angry" left. Do some of them promote violence? I guess, I saw some posts supporting the nut that flew his plane into the IRS building. Is that a balance of all of fox news coverage of the fake outrage that was the tea party? Right wing hate radio? Oh course not the whole idea is silly.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 04:58 PM
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43. Zing! +1. nt
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 03:51 PM
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17. How about a Democratic Congressman?
U.S. Rep. Paul E. Kanjorski sometimes talks now as if he's free to say anything.

The Nanticoke Democrat has finally achieved a certain stature as chairman of the House Financial Services Committee's capital markets subcommittee, having written key parts of the Wall Street reform bill. He apparently chats fairly regularly with President Barack Obama and Vice President Joe Biden or their staffs. He's good friends with former President Bill Clinton, who will campaign locally for him again Tuesday.


"That Scott down there that's running for governor of Florida," Mr. Kanjorski said. "Instead of running for governor of Florida, they ought to have him and shoot him. Put him against the wall and shoot him. He stole billions of dollars from the United States government and he's running for governor of Florida. He's a millionaire and a billionaire. He's no hero. He's a damn crook. It's just we don't prosecute big crooks."


Read more: http://thetimes-tribune.com/opinion/editorials-columns/roderick-random/kanjorski-ponders-nuts-bolts-from-blue-1.1052739#ixzz1AfSglTI7
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 04:06 PM
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25. Gosh, that certainly proves that 1 = 100!
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 05:45 PM
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50. The OP asked for a name - I gave him a name
don't put words in my mouth, thank you.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 09:04 PM
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86. True, Paul E. Kanjorski was quoted in an editorial. He is not a regular pundit, however.
A reporter quoted the guy in his own opinion column. Perhaps he wanted to slam the Democratic U.S. Representative as a loose cannon.

BTW: While I don't support capital punishment, I do share Kanjorski's passion for punishing traitors.

What You Need To Know About Rick Scott: The Corrupt And Fraudulent GOP Gubernatorial Nominee In Florida

Scott doesn't belong on the public payroll. He does belong in the federal penitentiary.

FTI: Kanjorski lost re-election. Unfortunately.
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 09:53 PM
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98. Do you understand what a real traitor is? nt
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 10:45 PM
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99. Yes. Why do you ask?
FYI: "Corruption in public office is treason." -- Adlai Stevenson, Jr.
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 11:05 PM
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101. I suggest you read the Constitution - that is the only definition that counts. nt
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 11:27 PM
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105. Good one. Thanks!
My mind can always use more information.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 03:53 PM
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18. All of them
You apparently weren't listening at all last year, when liberals all over the place were calling for the expiration of the Bush tax cuts on the wealthy. Fatcats contemplating the chilling prospect of paying an additional three cents in federal taxes on every dollar over $250,000 a year was just like someone blazing away with a handgun with an oversize magazine in a supermarket parking lot.

And if you can't see that, then it's no wonder you're a liberal!
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 04:08 PM
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28. Do you have quotes of a liberal pundit recommending blowing someone
away? Like say Ann Coulter, recommending poisoning a SC Judge? Something specific. What 'liberals all over the place' were making such suggestions?
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 04:12 PM
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30. Or Jesse Helms saying that Clinton would leave NC in a body bag
if he visited his State.

Oh wait, he wasn't a pundit...he was a Republican Senator.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 09:10 PM
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89. Right, but he is a Republican, and when they do it, it's okay.
The media doesn't seem to be interested when Republicans make threats like that. Maybe they are afraid?
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 04:22 PM
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32. They were calling for higher taxes on wealthy people!
For heavens sakes, if you libruls can't see that that is totally equivalent to opening up with a gun on a crowd in a parking lot, then I despair (Despair! I tells ya) for yer humanity. Can't you imagine the horror, the carnage, and yes, the mortality, as you contemplate the prospect of Kim Kardashian paying an extra three cents in taxes on every dollar she and her sisters "earn" above a quarter million a year? What about poor (in the non-economic sense) Paris Hilton? Just how heartlessly violent are you libruls?

I . . . I feel faint!
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 09:08 PM
Response to Reply #32
88. Lol, sorry! Kneejerk reaction on my part.
I think I'm losing my sense of humor!! Broke my New Years Resolution to read more slowly already! :blush:

Anyhow, ignore my comment, Octafish just explained and I feel a little silly :-)
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 09:44 PM
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95. Guilty of it myself from time to time
I figure we can all use a little humor in these times, and since we don't always have really funny folks around here, you'll have to do with my feeble, obscure efforts.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 04:32 PM
Response to Reply #28
34. I believe the poster is making a point through satire.
Like you, gratuitous is good people, my Friend sabrina 1. Gosh -- we all go back almost a decade. How quickly our time passes...
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 09:05 PM
Response to Reply #34
87. Oops, now I am embarrassed !
:blush:

Thanks for setting me straight Octafish! :-)
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denem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 03:53 PM
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19. Barack Obama : 'You don't bring a knife to a gun fight'
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 04:07 PM
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26. A self-defense metaphor hardly counts.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 04:09 PM
Response to Reply #19
29. A Sean Connery quote from the movie. "The Untouchables"
And I would see no problem with that statement coming from either Party. When you put gunsites on specific individuals with rhetoric like "target", "reload", etc....that is over the top.
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denem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 04:36 PM
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35. Which Barack used when questioned.
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EOTE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 04:55 PM
Response to Reply #35
41. And you consider that a call for violence?
You must live a very scared life.
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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 05:00 PM
Response to Reply #35
44. The best you can do?
Compare that to those on the right claiming that Obama, and his supporters are ...

"a baby killer"
"just like MAO"
"just like Hitler"
"just like Stalin"
"hates America"
"intends to destroy America"
"plans for death panels to kill granny"
"is a dictator"
"sympathizes with terrorists"
"pals around with terrorists"
"is unpatriotic"

Should we continue??
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denem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 05:48 PM
Response to Reply #44
52. No . It's an example of firearm rhetoric
nothing more, nothing less.
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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 05:57 PM
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56. And a WEAK example it is ... in part because ...
You can't back it up with additional violent rhetoric, which was the point of my post.

It is the combination. You are trying to defend ONE image (with a weak comparison) while UNABLE to place it in the larger context of the surrounding rhetoric.

Palin claimed Obama "pals around with terrorists" ... if that was true, wouldn't killing him be justified?

Or let's say that Obama actually had death panels to kill old people ... would you not be justified to kill him?

PROMINENT right wing leaders claim that Obama is Mao, Stalin and Hitler, rolled into one. If he was, would you not be justified in killing him??

I could go on ...

Now ... can YOU connect your weak ass image to similar rhetoric from the left. No, you can't. And I will be very surprised if you respond to me this time (unless with a weak dodge).

Well?
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 06:51 PM
Response to Reply #35
67. You aren't that dense, even at absolute face value the words are a reponse to violence
not a call for it.

There is no gun without a knife, there is no trip to the morgue with someone going to the hospital.

We aren't having a conversation about porportionate response.

The word "IF" means something and in this context it ain't the same "IF" as Sharon Angles "IF" which was reults at the balot box.

That's not even mentioning the context of a pure allusion that is long for if we are forced to react then expect that reaction to come with escalation, so be mindful of your actions before you start something you can't finish.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 05:01 PM
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45. That's a movie quote (Untouchables). This adult can comprehend the difference. nt
Edited on Mon Jan-10-11 05:02 PM by blondeatlast
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 05:15 PM
Response to Reply #19
48. Much like your post...
:shrug:
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 04:05 PM
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24. I can't think of any.
If Democrats had Sarah Palin or Sharon Engle type candidates who were using eliminationist rhetoric in their campaigns...I think it's safe to say they'd be pretty well condemned and/or dismissed from any serious consideration by our voters. OTOH, this seems to be a feature in today's Republican Party.

I read a thread on Little Green Footballs today (fascinating to see the change from Charles on his politics) on the Giffords shooting. There are more than a few trying to absolve the Right from their responsibility. The main talking point is 'the guy is a 'crazy' loner'. May be true, but the only difference I see from this guy and the average poster at Free Republic is that he acted upon his fantasies.

Up here in Maine, Chellie Pingree, our rep who was close to Ms. Giffords, was interviewed by the media on this tragedy - and the Republican Party releases a media statement condemning her for 'politicizing' the attempted assassination. Un-friggen-believable...a premeditated hit on a Democratic politician and we're politicizing the issue?

We know that these Teapublicans are shedding crocodile tears about what happened Saturday. The end result is what they think they want - a One Party State government. They get there by overt acts of violence, then let intimidation take over. Because who will want to oppose these fascists if it means you and/or your loved ones are in their gun sites? What the morons and rubes who fail to comprehend is that when the Constitution gets tossed to facilitate their dream...that beloved 2nd Amendment will go along with it.

If you're a gambling man, what's the probable split on which political party has the next 10 'isolated' acts of violence (threats, shootings, office bombing, etc) visited upon them? I'd expect it to be 80% Democrats. After that, I think all bets are off because we will be in a total civil war mode. And the Right will find the Left returning fire.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 08:51 PM
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82. "(W)ho will...oppose these fascists if it means you and/or your loved ones are in their gun sites?''
"Terrorism is the best political weapon for nothing drives people harder than a fear of sudden death." -- Adolf Hitler

Thus, the point of terror. No one who fears for their loved ones' safety will oppose them.



Regarding the odds: I'd go to 90-percent. When the Capitol was evacuated for Continuity Of Government on 9-11, only Republicans were invited to Mount Thunder. And the Anthrax was sent to Democrats, exclusively.

These so-and-so hypocrites believe they actually are better than anyone and entitled to lord it over all. It gives them no pause to put their personal property over the needs of the community. They could care less whose kids died so they could drive their gas guzzler. They could care less what their corporate employer does to make money as long as they can cash that paycheck. They don't care who their government tortures or invades or kills as long as they can shop at the mall and watch their tee vee.

What insanity. Nutjobs, the conservative "mind."
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 04:08 PM
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27. How about this from a Democratic Rep:
"That Scott down there that's running for governor of Florida," Mr. Kanjorski said. "Instead of running for governor of Florida, they ought to have him and shoot him. Put him against the wall and shoot him. He stole billions of dollars from the United States government and he's running for governor of Florida. He's a millionaire and a billionaire. He's no hero. He's a damn crook. It's just we don't prosecute big crooks."

Read more: http://thetimes-tribune.com/opinion/editorials-columns/roderick-random/kanjorski-ponders-nuts-bolts-from-blue-1.1052739#ixzz1AfWrfJV4
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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 06:01 PM
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59. If Obama "pals around with terrorists" ... wouldn't you be justified to kill him?
Or if he was a "baby killer"?

Or of he was just like Mao, Stalin and Hitler, rolled into one???

Or if he was an illegitimate President?

Or if he actually hated America and wanted to destroy it?

If he sympathized with terrorists ... then??

For every ONE example you can put forward, I, and those on DU can bring forth DOZENS from those at the TOP of the GOP / Tea Party team.
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The Midway Rebel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 04:16 PM
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31. Well, there was this one ugly incident.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 11:13 PM
Response to Reply #31
102. Is that Anita Bryant?
You are correct. Even if it were only a fruit pie, that is an act of violence.
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 04:47 PM
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39. Please Octafish, tone down this hysterical rhetoric!
:sarcasm: :eyes: :shrug:

So frustrating to see "Democrats" telling us to calm down even now. The media is pulling the curtain back on itself with all the CYA behavior and blaming the innocent.

Not gonna work.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 11:58 AM
Response to Reply #39
110. Why do they call it HATE Radio?
Because that's the emotion that works with the reptilian-minded.

It won't work, if we have anything to say about it, upi402!
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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 04:52 PM
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40. Here's a list posted on my FB wall...
Edited on Mon Jan-10-11 05:29 PM by OneGrassRoot
by a most loyal facebagger. As I told him, because most of these examples are not from well-known NATIONAL figures, including politicians,I don't believe any compare to Palin and her target graphic and her "don't retreat, reload" rhetoric.

There's no comparison, imho. Still, there are some nasty statements here. I don't care who says such things, I condemn these statements. I'm not including Bill Maher or Wanda Sykes quotes that he included, because comedians just don't count when it comes to this comparison, unless Palin is going to be labeled a comedienne now, which sounds about right to me. ;)


Of course, he started with Obama's June 2008 comment: "If they bring a knife , we'll bring a gun."

"A spoiled child (Bush) is telling us our Social Security isn't safe anymore, so he is going to fix it for us. Well, here's your answer, you ungrateful whelp:
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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 05:30 PM
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49. Wow, that's weird....

I posted a whole list of quotes (granted, not by those well-known like Palin) and they're not appearing.

I see it in the edit mode, but it doesn't appear when I update.

:shrug:



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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 05:47 PM
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51. Hm do you have any formatting code around them or anything?
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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 06:22 PM
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61. Nothing visible. I literally copied and pasted...
so perhaps I should have done so into notepad first, and then copied here.

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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 06:52 PM
Response to Reply #61
68. Yes, it's a good idea to use a text editor
to remove the ghosts, clean it up then re-post here.
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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 11:22 PM
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103. Okay, let's see if this works:
"A spoiled child (Bush) is telling us our Social Security isn't safe anymore, so he is going to fix it for us. Well, here's your answer, you ungrateful whelp: (audio sound of 4 gunshots being fired.] Just try it, you little b*stard. (audio of gun being cocked)." -- A "humor bit" from the Randi Rhodes Show

"I want to go up to the closest white person and say: 'You can't understand this, it's a black thing' and then slap him, just for my mental health" -- New York city councilman Charles Barron


"..And then there's Rumsfeld who said of Iraq 'We have our good days and our bad days.' We should put this S.O.B. up against a wall and say 'This is one of our bad days' and pull the trigger." -- From a fundraising ad put out by the St. Petersburg Democratic Club


"...In an ideal world, American consumers could be convinced to do the right thing through an appeal to logic with public service messages like the 'What Would Jesus Drive?' TV campaign, but the kind of people who would buy a car that incr...eases the risk to other motorists in an accident can't be reasoned with. They're selfish and stupid. It's unfortunate that drivers must worry that their SUVs are being targeted by insulting stickers and Molotov cocktails, but one thing's for sure: It couldn't be happening to a more deserving group of people." -- Ted Rall winks at ecoterrorism


"F*** God D*mned Joe the God D*mned Motherf*cking plumber! I want Motherf*cking Joe the plumber dead." -- Liberal talk show host Charles Karel Bouley on the air.


"Republicans don't believe in the imagination, partly because so few of them have one, but mostly because it gets in the way of their chosen work, which is to destroy the human race and the planet. Human beings, who have imaginations, can ...see a recipe for disaster in the making; Republicans, whose goal in life is to profit from disaster and who don't give a hoot about human beings, either can't or won't. Which is why I personally think they should be exterminated before they cause any more harm." -- The Village Voice's Michael Feingold, in a theater review of all places


"You guys see Live and Let Die, the great Bond film with Yaphet Kotto as the bad guy, Mr. Big? In the end they jam a big CO2 pellet in his face and he blew up. I have to tell you, Rush Limbaugh is looking more and more like Mr. Big, and at some point somebody’s going to jam a CO2 pellet into his head and he’s going to explode like a giant blimp. That day may come. Not yet. But we’ll be there to watch. I think he’s Mr. Big, I think Yaphet Kotto. Are you watching, Rush?" -- Chris Matthews


"Drudge? Aw, Drudge, somebody ought to wrap a strong Republican entrail around his neck and hoist him up about six feet in the air and watch him bounce." -- Liberal radio host, Mike Malloy


"I know how the 'tea party' people feel, the anger, venom and bile that many of them showed during the recent House vote on health-care reform. I know because I want to spit on them, take one of their 'Obama Plan White Slavery' signs and knock every racist and homophobic tooth out of their Cro-Magnon heads." -- The Washington Post's Courtland Milloy


‎"For those of you who do, as a matter of principle, oppose war in any form, the idea of supporting a conscientious objector who's already been inducted in his combat service in Iraq might have a certain appeal. But let me ask you thi...s: Would you render the same support to someone who hadn't conscientiously objected, but rather instead rolled a grenade under their line officer in order to neutralize the combat capacity of their unit?" -- University Professor Ward Churhill on supporting soldiers who frag their officers

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JustFiveMoreMinutes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 05:56 PM
Response to Reply #40
55. These are great... spit/knock/slap.. I'd just throw away
.. the Kill ones I'll keep and have handy.
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DonCoquixote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 05:49 PM
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53. Ted Rall
see my eariler post for the quote.
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JustFiveMoreMinutes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 05:58 PM
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58. In this thread? I missed it
Can you repost for this ol' soul!?
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DonCoquixote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 07:05 PM
Response to Reply #58
73. here ya go
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JustFiveMoreMinutes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 07:11 PM
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75. I don't even like his cartoons...
... so no wonder I had never heard of this.

Ugh, but then again, the left evidently let their nuts fall from the tree with good riddance.. and not collect them like the Tea Party does!

I'll definitely keep this one for discussion!

Sheesh.
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DonCoquixote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 07:32 PM
Response to Reply #75
78. point made
we dispose of our nuts, not collect them
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alp227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 06:30 PM
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63. during the tax cut debate of 2010: 2 Democratic senators decided to pump up their words
Sen. Robert Menendez (D-NJ) compared Republicans with terrorists in terms of negotiation. Claire McCaskill (D-MO) said that voters might "take up pitchforks" if the tax cuts passed. Source: Politico on the bottom of 2 pages of right-wing blogs including Fox News, Fire Andrea Mitchell, Gateway Pundit, and Hot Air, searching "Claire mccaskill" + pitchforks on google. (The Young Turks commented on Fox News' hypocrisy covering McCaskill's remarks.)

Other than that, when have Ed Schultz, Keith Olbermann, Rachel Maddow, etc. ever called on violence against Republicans/conservatives/Christians/other people?

And Thom Hartmann...I listen to his show regularly, and he comments calmly and with evidence. He even interviews conservatives on-air as well as liberals. He's not the type to say "shoot Glenn Beck!"

Oh, you may be thinking about student protesters, including how police clashed with them in London, California, etc. But I wonder when left-wing commentators have called on such actions explicitly?

:shrug:
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 06:53 PM
Response to Reply #63
69. Yet another reason why I love Thom and Rachel...
voices of reasonable intellectual discussion.

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Zax2me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 06:36 PM
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65. Does calling for a revolution count?
Because a revolution likely means violence at some point.
In which case there are too many 'leftist' as you define to list here, including many in the political movement of the late 60's.
If you define as calling out a 'hit' or the like, no, cannot name a one - not on the left.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 06:58 PM
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70. What about the OP's word "pundit" did you not get? And going back about a half-century? Jeez.
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JustFiveMoreMinutes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 07:13 PM
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76. 60s? Well we'll see you that and raise you one Kent State!
yawn.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 07:41 PM
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80. Well, I Guess NOT!
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 08:56 PM
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84. Recommended.
Solid OP. Nice thread, even with the contributions of some very talkative people that know little or nothing about Abbie or Malcolm.
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BlueCheese Donating Member (897 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 09:28 PM
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91. Keith Olbermann
During the 2008 primaries...

"Somebody who can take into a room and only he comes out."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/25/keith-olbermanns-idea-for_n_98557.html
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stevenleser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 09:49 PM
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96. We're doing pretty well if that is the most you can find. n/t
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kudzu22 Donating Member (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 11:32 PM
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106. Dbl post
Edited on Mon Jan-10-11 11:36 PM by kudzu22
Double post
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kudzu22 Donating Member (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 11:34 PM
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107. Craig Kilborn on the Late Late show
Once ran a video of Dubya's acceptance speech with the caption "Snipers Wanted". Hard to argue that it was just good fun.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/crime/kilborn-cbs-target-bush-0
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 11:38 PM
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108. Socialism is a conservative ideology.
Edited on Mon Jan-10-11 11:38 PM by Mika
Conserve the air.
Conserve the water.
Conserve the infrastructure.
Conserve our human rights.
Conserve the education system.
Conserve the social safety networks.

Etc. etc. etc.



The radical corporatists hated Dr. Che, so they murdered him.







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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 11:52 AM
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109. nope
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