Has there been some link made between the shooter and RW media

[TlalocW]

I hear all this duck-and-cover coming from the RW media and their enablers, but is there any solid connection? I unfortunately am playing catch-up on the news coming off of being sick so I'm behind on the matter.

TlalocW

[stray cat]

1. Nothing concrete lots of speculation, opinions, and empty words

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

2. On the other hand, the fact that the wingnuts are scrambling to cover their

ass and to go on defense says a lot. Are they feeling guilty about something? It's like a murder has been committed and they are doing everything in their power to hide and cover up any circumstantial evidence.

If you're innocent, why run? Why play defense?

The answer to your question is NO. No, there is no direct link to right wing nuttery. However, their scramble to play defense certainly makes them look guilty. Guilty and deranged.

[bigendian]

3. Just this old adage.

If you throw a rock at a pack of dogs, the one you hit will yelp.

[Rex]

4. Don't know about the media, but some right wing parties. Totally.

[northoftheborder]

5. Thought I heard that palin & tea party were mentioned on his facebook page, but haven't heard today

[scarletwoman]

15. That was a false report. There was no such facebook page. nt

[Stevepol]

6. Another DU poster made the link to shooter and Limbaugh.

The post is from a guy who says his brother was in the same high school as the shooter and that he was a "Limbaugh" fan at that time. Also gives some other interesting aspects of the guy's psyche.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x161540

[seabeyond]

7. all his ramblings = teaparty. nt

[Imajika]

8. Yes, because Teabaggers...

..are atheists who believe the government is trying to mind control them through grammar and attempt to counter this by achieving some sort of dream state.

Please.

The answer to the OP is no, no actual association to the right in any meaningful way.

However, many attempts to divine such connections have often been quite comical.

Likely bottom line, Loughner appears to have been utterly deranged and this will almost certainly end up being a mental health issue.

[seabeyond]

9. books link... individual against govt... tea. gold silver.... tea. unconstitution... tea

anti abortion.... tea. language used for control by govt.... tea. on edit add, anti immigration... tea. anti semitic.... tea.

out of all we have heard of his rants, and i gave them ALL here... tea

sigh, roll eyes, whine, whatever... but it is, .... tea

[Imajika]

12. If you want to try to link him to the Teabaggers...

...with what you have your just going to make yourself look foolish.

There is nothing you can really divine from his book list. Paranoid schizophrenics also tend to think the government is after them - and his rants about the government lend more credence to him being insane than having a coherent point to make. His rants could not be associated with any real ideology or party and I suspect you know that. If he is actually anti-choice it still doesn't create a Teabagger connection any more than the claims he was an atheist make him an enlightened free thinker.

Sorry, but with what we know at the moment, there is no way you can connect him to the Teabaggers.

Loathsome as Teabagger nation is, attempting to link this particular deranged lunatic to it is almost certainly misguided. Perhaps some actual evidence indicating a connection will emerge, but there is nothing meaningful at the moment.

[seabeyond]

14. EVERYTHING points to teabagger, silly me for thinking he looks like a teabagger. hm. rationalization

abounds

[Imajika]

16. I'm going to leave you to believe that if you want...

...but your not going to get anywhere with that connection in serious circles.

Suggest you read this article to get a better idea of who Loughner was and how deranged he'd become:

http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/01/jared-lee-loughner-friend-voicemail-phone-message?page=1

It's pretty clear he is just completely insane and without any identifiable ideology - at least not one we would recognize.

[seabeyond]

18. is anyone arguing that. who do you think these hate talkers effect, the rational? nt

[Imajika]

21. Your claiming he is a teabagger...

A teabagger would have an identifiable political agenda and some connections or at least references to the Tea Party. Loughner does not have an ideology that readily matches teabaggerism and has no known links to the tea party at all. Your attempting to create a connection that simply does not exist - at least with evidence so far available.

Saying that generally hateful political discourse triggers nuts to kill people is another argument all together. And even at that, there is still no evidence that anything Caribou Barbie or idiots like Beck have had to say in any way influenced him. The claim is entirely speculative, and there is no evidence to indicate Loughner cared one bit what right wing talkers or their leaders had to say.

To this point, you simply have no idea what drove Loughner to this assassination attempt. What does appear increasingly likely is that he was deeply mentally disturbed and badly required mental health care.

Your entitled to your opinion and I respect it, but I think your seriously mistaken and are trying very hard to divine some sort of identifiable ideology from a crazy person when it is far more likely that he was just insane and had a head full of mish-mash that only a psychiatrist might one day manage to sort through.

[seabeyond]

22. no... i am saying all the things he has said links him to their ideology. nt

[Imajika]

25. And I am saying that is entirely inaccurate...

"no... i am saying all the things he has said links him to their ideology"

All the things he's said does NOT link him to their ideology.

Mostly what Loughner has said is crazy stuff that can't be linked to any identifiable ideology. I am telling you that making this connection will not be taken seriously anywhere outside of an echo chamber of people that WANT to believe that.

What is more likely, a guy thinks the government is trying to control us all via mind control and grammar is A) a teabagger or B) a paranoid schizophrenic? Belief that the government uses mind control and grammar to control us is simply not in any way part of the teabagger platform.

Your attempting to argue that because someone believes conspiracies about the government means they must be a bagger, and I am telling you lots of people, to include paranoid schizophrenics, believe this very thing without knowing or caring at all what teabaggers blather on about.

Your trying to make a connection that is just not seriously supported by any available evidence.

[seabeyond]

26. no, not inaccurate. fact. not an opinion. not to play with. lined it out, simple words. fact.

[seabeyond]

20. .

[seabeyond]

10. and then the really obvious, he shoots a dem congresswoman with teabagger crosshairs. nt

[Imajika]

13. Hinckley shot Reagan...

...did that make him a left winger?

No, he was just plain old insane.

[Rex]

11. Equally as comical is watching people act like links to

obvious ties to the Right don't exist. Funny stuff.

[cali]

28. there has been no connection with the tea party to date.

[nadinbrzezinski]

17. His readying list and this

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=169381&mesg_id=169592

He is connected to the American Renaissance a very RIGHT WING white supremacist group. Of course, like Michigan Militia back in the day, they deny any connection.

[Imajika]

23. Homeland Security says that report is not true...

He is not connected to American Renaissance.

DHS Says No Link Between Arizona Suspect & Anti-Semitic Group

http://www.my9tv.com/dpp/my9_news/national/Feds-Say-No-Link-Between-Arizona-Suspect-%26-Anti-Semitic-Group

As usual, Fox gets it wrong.

[scarletwoman]

19. No, nothing clear or direct. There's only the broad speculation that the general climate of

violent political rhetoric may have fed into his paranoia and inspired him to act. That, and the fact that he specifically targeted a Democratic Congressperson.

Also of possible interest is the fact that he purchased his gun on November 30, raising the question of whether his decision might have had anything to do with the election results.

Other than that, there's no smoking "I Love Limbaugh" tatoo, or anything like that.

sw

[begin_within]

24. Since the RW noise machine is broadcast far and wide, and is mostly one-way,

doesn't that make it hard to prove a connection even if there was one? It would be very easy if he had called in to Limbaugh's show and made statements agreeing and it was all recorded on tape. But since the right-wing hate rhetoric is spewed indiscriminately everywhere, every day, doesn't that mean there could be multiple connections made to him... with no "trail" leading back to them?

[Spider Jerusalem]

27. No connection.

A lot of speculation and nonsensical claims of cause and effect without any evidence. People seem to want to believe it because it fits with their preconceptions and prejudices, even if the actual facts so far don't support the idea.